Is Hell a Literal Fire or Is It Separation from God?
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Hellfire is not physical, but just as torturous. Each soul there will feel torturous fire and long for even a drop of water. They will be covered in worms as well, and their worms will never die, neither will they escape in any way, even by dying, for the rest of eternity (never ending). And just as all life on earth depends on the sun, whether you like the sun or not, they will forever be shut out from the presence of God and from His holy light. Imagine taking away all Christians from the earth, all water that supports life, as well as the sun and moon. What will remain? A new earth of fire and brimstone, outer darkness where there will be great weeping and gnashing of teeth from the pain that will never end.
Now you are just misapplying scripture in order to take away the literal meaning.
Your attempt to use the above as an example is not supporting your cause justshalllivebyfaith. Below is the actual scripture:
Then the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Why do You speak to the people in parables?”
He replied, “The knowledge of the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him.
This is why I speak to them in parables:
‘Though seeing, they do not see;
though hearing, they do not hear or understand.’
"But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear."
Therefore, the "them" of whom Jesus is speaking parables to is in reference to that generation of Israel in fulfillment of Isaiah's prophecy. The parables were not for the disciples or those in Christ, but for that generation for Israel. As for the disciples and all believers Jesus says "But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear.
Your attempt to use the above as an example is not supporting your cause justshalllivebyfaith. Below is the actual scripture:
Then the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Why do You speak to the people in parables?”
He replied, “The knowledge of the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him.
This is why I speak to them in parables:
‘Though seeing, they do not see;
though hearing, they do not hear or understand.’
"But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear."
Therefore, the "them" of whom Jesus is speaking parables to is in reference to that generation of Israel in fulfillment of Isaiah's prophecy. The parables were not for the disciples or those in Christ, but for that generation for Israel. As for the disciples and all believers Jesus says "But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear.
The above verses are quoted from the book of Revelation and are concerned with the time of judgment called "the hour of His judgment" . When God's judgments are upon the earth it will last for a fixed duration or a specific amount of time. And those judgments will end when God's wrath is fully poured out. Or, as called in Revelation, "the seven last plagues".
The question we need to look at then is when do the faithful receive eternal life. That comes when Christ comes. When the mortal puts on immortality by resurrection from the dead.
And what is the destiny of the unfaithful? Their punishment is also eternal It's eternal death. Which means the person will be dead eternally.
And what is the destiny of the unfaithful? Their punishment is also eternal It's eternal death. Which means the person will be dead eternally.
Hell: is aplace prepared for the devil and his angels . Matt 25:41
Hell: was never ment for man John 3 :16
Hell: is a real place where the devil will go Rev 20:10
Hell : has fire, torment, and is eternal Rev 20:10, Matt 25:41
Hell : is aplace seperated from the Presences of God 2thess 1:8-9
Hell is real , hell is no joke . Those who teach it is not areal place of enternal torment as the word states it is with levels and types prior to being thrown into the lake of fire for ever and ever Rev 20: 10-14
Those who teach anything contary to this truth is a false teacher and will be held accountble . I.e the false Prophets are there too .
Actually, the ones who demand the rich man and Lazarus parable to be not a parable are those who are desperately seeking evidence for their ideas. Honest Biblical scholars agree, the rich man and Lazarus is a parable.
"Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead." (Parable of rich man and Lazarus)
Moses taught the resurrection of the dead, and if they hear not (believe not) Moses then they would not even believe if one rose from the dead.
I suggest you listen to Moses as he has taught the resurrection of the dead as opposed to the false ideas of the pagan philosophers.
"Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead." (Parable of rich man and Lazarus)
Moses taught the resurrection of the dead, and if they hear not (believe not) Moses then they would not even believe if one rose from the dead.
I suggest you listen to Moses as he has taught the resurrection of the dead as opposed to the false ideas of the pagan philosophers.
Then imagine the second death and the eternal Lake of Fire. So death does not simply mean death.
Strong's Concordance
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: thanatos
Phonetic Spelling: (than'-at-os)
Short Definition: death
Definition: death, physical or spiritual.
Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 2288: θάνατος
θάνατος, θανάτου, ὁ (θανεῖν); the Sept. forמָוֶת and מוּת, also for דֶּבֶר pestilence (Winers Grammar, 29 note); (one of the nouns often anarthrous, cf. Winers Grammar, § 19, 1 under the word; (Buttmann, § 124, 8 c.); Grimm, commentary on Sap., p. 59); death
3. the miserable state of the wicked dead in hell is called — now simply θάνατος, Romans 1:32 (Wis. 1:12f Wis. 2:24; Tatian or. ad Graec. c. 13; the author of the epistle ad Diognet. c. 10, 7 [ET] distinguishes between ὁδοκῶνἐνθάδεθάνατος, the death of the body, and ὁὄντωςθάνατος, ὅςφυλάσσεταιτοῖςκατακριθησομενοιςεἰςτόπῦρτόαἰώνιον); now ὁδεύτεροςθάνατος and ὁθάνατοςὁδεύτερος (as opposed to the former death, i. e. to that by which life on earth is ended), Revelation 2:11; Revelation 20:6, 14b; Revelation 21:8 (as in the Targums on Deuteronomy 33:6; Psalm 48:11 (); Isaiah 22:14; Isaiah 66:15; (for the Greek use of the phrase cf. Plutarch, de fade in orbe lunae 27, 6, p. 942 f.); θάνατοςαἰώνιος, the Epistle of Barnabas 20, 1 [ET] and in ecclesiastical writings (ὁ ἀΐδιος θάνατος, Philo, post. Cain. § 11 at the end; see also Wetstein on Revelation 2:11).
Strong's Concordance
thanatos: death
Original Word: θάνατος, ου, ὁPart of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: thanatos
Phonetic Spelling: (than'-at-os)
Short Definition: death
Definition: death, physical or spiritual.
Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 2288: θάνατος
θάνατος, θανάτου, ὁ (θανεῖν); the Sept. forמָוֶת and מוּת, also for דֶּבֶר pestilence (Winers Grammar, 29 note); (one of the nouns often anarthrous, cf. Winers Grammar, § 19, 1 under the word; (Buttmann, § 124, 8 c.); Grimm, commentary on Sap., p. 59); death
3. the miserable state of the wicked dead in hell is called — now simply θάνατος, Romans 1:32 (Wis. 1:12f Wis. 2:24; Tatian or. ad Graec. c. 13; the author of the epistle ad Diognet. c. 10, 7 [ET] distinguishes between ὁδοκῶνἐνθάδεθάνατος, the death of the body, and ὁὄντωςθάνατος, ὅςφυλάσσεταιτοῖςκατακριθησομενοιςεἰςτόπῦρτόαἰώνιον); now ὁδεύτεροςθάνατος and ὁθάνατοςὁδεύτερος (as opposed to the former death, i. e. to that by which life on earth is ended), Revelation 2:11; Revelation 20:6, 14b; Revelation 21:8 (as in the Targums on Deuteronomy 33:6; Psalm 48:11 (); Isaiah 22:14; Isaiah 66:15; (for the Greek use of the phrase cf. Plutarch, de fade in orbe lunae 27, 6, p. 942 f.); θάνατοςαἰώνιος, the Epistle of Barnabas 20, 1 [ET] and in ecclesiastical writings (ὁ ἀΐδιος θάνατος, Philo, post. Cain. § 11 at the end; see also Wetstein on Revelation 2:11).
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Actually honest biblical scholars do also see it as more than a parable. However, Nothing that was presented is what Moses taught removes what Jesus said about hell and those who will go there. Nor does it change the context of REV 20:10-15 or Matt 25:41 or 2thess 1:8-9
the idea of Luke 16: 19-31 to be the sole text concerning the reality of Hell does not do that be the chapter alone . Without Rev 20:10-14 , Matt 25:41 , 2thess 1:8-9 and 20 verses combines in the Old and New Testament about Hell. with the normitive of scriptures hell is a real place. Luke 16 19-31 by it's self would be discriptive but with more Biblical veres to support Luke 16:19-31 a proper application and normitive can be seen.
the idea of Luke 16: 19-31 to be the sole text concerning the reality of Hell does not do that be the chapter alone . Without Rev 20:10-14 , Matt 25:41 , 2thess 1:8-9 and 20 verses combines in the Old and New Testament about Hell. with the normitive of scriptures hell is a real place. Luke 16 19-31 by it's self would be discriptive but with more Biblical veres to support Luke 16:19-31 a proper application and normitive can be seen.
If you understand the parable then you could see that what it really teaches is what Moses and the prophets teach as opposed to the philosophies of the day.
Jesus (by the parable), was directing the misguided ones to Moses and the Scriptures so that they might believe what he taught.
"Now as for the dead being raised, have you not read in the book of Moses, in the passage about the bush, how God said to him, 'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? He is not the God of the dead but of the living. You are badly mistaken!” (Mark 12)
In the above Moses teaches the resurrection of the dead. Because the dead are raised, God is called the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob! If the dead be not raised then God could not be the God of Abraham, or anyone who has died. If Jesus is not raised, then your preaching is worthless.
Jesus (by the parable), was directing the misguided ones to Moses and the Scriptures so that they might believe what he taught.
"Now as for the dead being raised, have you not read in the book of Moses, in the passage about the bush, how God said to him, 'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? He is not the God of the dead but of the living. You are badly mistaken!” (Mark 12)
In the above Moses teaches the resurrection of the dead. Because the dead are raised, God is called the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob! If the dead be not raised then God could not be the God of Abraham, or anyone who has died. If Jesus is not raised, then your preaching is worthless.