Is it a sin to predict catastrophic events ?

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OliviaDonna

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Reverend Efrain Rodriguez is a self claimed prophet. He has predicted that an asteroid will hit near Puerto Rico soon and devastate the east U.S. Coast with an earthquake and tsunami. He said that God has shown him that this would happen and he claims to know that the elite are already aware of this and are preparing for the event.
So my question is, how do you tell a false prophet?
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but if what I know is accurate, it is a sin to predict such things.
What I'm confused on, is if predicting the end of the world, the time Jesus comes back, and predicting a catostrophic event is the same thing.
Is predicting the end of the world a sin, but predicting a catastrophic event not?
This prediction is being called the end of times. But as far as I have learned, it is sin to predict such things and no man knows that time. And if that's the case, then why do so many people believe and follow these predictions?
 

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Predicting things is not a sin...
If it were then why were there prophets?

I think the modern church shys away from people who claim to have spoken to God or have been spoken to by God....
Because of 'science', political correctness, and it's much easier to say they are wrong then to see if they are wrong...


Now if this even happens exactly how the guy says it will, then you have to ask, who is the only person that can predict the future?

Second it can't be vague, which by the way it sounds, this is not vague....
God is not a God of confusion...


I have also heard of this prophecy and I don't know what to think... It might be plausible, but if it does happen, well that will be pretty amazing...
However, I have heard people saying that the asteroids will hit here in many places killing everyone in the americas and that would fulfill the prophecy saying 1/3 of the land and people were destroyed.



You judge a false prophet by their false prophecies... If a person prophecies once falsely. Then they are not a prophet of God. And they are a false prophet. God says to kill false prophets in The Law.
(actually many of the prophets in the bible were killed because people thought they were false prophets, until the prophecies came true after their deaths.)



Also predicting an event is not a sin, E.G. Joseph predicted a huge drought... Moses predicted catastrophic events...

Predicting Christs return is very very sketchy, because "no man knows the hour or day". Even John was in the dark while he was writing revelations...
 
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OliviaDonna

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I've tried to find out as much about this man as I can, and have read that he has predicted other things as well that have come to pass and never happened. But I can't find much. Thank you for your input!
 
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Reverend Efrain Rodriguez is a self claimed prophet. He has predicted that an asteroid will hit near Puerto Rico soon and devastate the east U.S. Coast with an earthquake and tsunami. He said that God has shown him that this would happen and he claims to know that the elite are already aware of this and are preparing for the event.
So my question is, how do you tell a false prophet?
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but if what I know is accurate, it is a sin to predict such things.
What I'm confused on, is if predicting the end of the world, the time Jesus comes back, and predicting a catostrophic event is the same thing.
Is predicting the end of the world a sin, but predicting a catastrophic event not?
This prediction is being called the end of times. But as far as I have learned, it is sin to predict such things and no man knows that time. And if that's the case, then why do so many people believe and follow these predictions?
Ezekiel 13 covers it pretty well.

(BTW, according to "prophets," the end of the world has already happened 77 times since I've been born.)
 
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atwhatcost

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I've tried to find out as much about this man as I can, and have read that he has predicted other things as well that have come to pass and never happened. But I can't find much. Thank you for your input!
Don't bother. There are many like him. This isn't even the only prediction for this year. This year alone, the world was supposed to have ended in May, and is supposed to end again in September. This has become about as common as Harvest Moons. More common, actually.
 
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atwhatcost

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Predicting things is not a sin...
If it were then why were there prophets?

I think the modern church shys away from people who claim to have spoken to God or have been spoken to by God....
Because of 'science', political correctness, and it's much easier to say they are wrong then to see if they are wrong...


Now if this even happens exactly how the guy says it will, then you have to ask, who is the only person that can predict the future?

Second it can't be vague, which by the way it sounds, this is not vague....
God is not a God of confusion...


I have also heard of this prophecy and I don't know what to think... It might be plausible, but if it does happen, well that will be pretty amazing...
However, I have heard people saying that the asteroids will hit here in many places killing everyone in the americas and that would fulfill the prophecy saying 1/3 of the land and people were destroyed.



You judge a false prophet by their false prophecies... If a person prophecies once falsely. Then they are not a prophet of God. And they are a false prophet. God says to kill false prophets in The Law.
(actually many of the prophets in the bible were killed because people thought they were false prophets, until the prophecies came true after their deaths.)



Also predicting an event is not a sin, E.G. Joseph predicted a huge drought... Moses predicted catastrophic events...

Predicting Christs return is very very sketchy, because "no man knows the hour or day". Even John was in the dark while he was writing revelations...
The world has ended 77 times since I've been born. We're not shying away. We're rolling our eyes and laughing. :D
 
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The old saying is "You can fool some of the people some of the time, but not All of the people, All of the time"..Only time will tell if this so called 'prophet' has spoken a Godly message. I do know that the earth, this time, will not be consumed by a FLOOD. This present earth will BURN...exactly when and how is completely up to GOD. Even the angels in heaven do not know the very hour. IT would be just like GOD to pass out little hints...and we can see that the END Times are lining up with His Word, indeed!
 
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Predicting things is not a sin...
If it were then why were there prophets?

I think the modern church shys away from people who claim to have spoken to God or have been spoken to by God....
Because of 'science', political correctness, and it's much easier to say they are wrong then to see if they are wrong...


Now if this even happens exactly how the guy says it will, then you have to ask, who is the only person that can predict the future?

Second it can't be vague, which by the way it sounds, this is not vague....
God is not a God of confusion...


I have also heard of this prophecy and I don't know what to think... It might be plausible, but if it does happen, well that will be pretty amazing...
However, I have heard people saying that the asteroids will hit here in many places killing everyone in the americas and that would fulfill the prophecy saying 1/3 of the land and people were destroyed.



You judge a false prophet by their false prophecies... If a person prophecies once falsely. Then they are not a prophet of God. And they are a false prophet. God says to kill false prophets in The Law.
(actually many of the prophets in the bible were killed because people thought they were false prophets, until the prophecies came true after their deaths.)



Also predicting an event is not a sin, E.G. Joseph predicted a huge drought... Moses predicted catastrophic events...

Predicting Christs return is very very sketchy, because "no man knows the hour or day". Even John was in the dark while he was writing revelations...[/QUOTE

Dont see any truth in that the church shys away from people claiming to speak for God due to science, but rather because they are always proven to be false.




The end of the world is predicted every year, at least 3-4 times each year. But there are always fanatics that think they are outside of the bible and superior to the rest of us as a result. That level of pride and self exaltation is a sure sign of a false prophet. A real man of God would not need to be elevated in the eyes of others because the gift given to them. And all these guys are boisterous and show boaters.
 
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False Prophets vs Bad Prophets
Many bad prophets have existed throughout the history of the Church.

If books like New Covenant Prophetic Ministry by Jim and Carolyn Welton had existed, far fewer of these bad prophets would have existed. Now don’t misunderstand me; I am not speaking about preventing cults and witchcraft. Obviously those are wrong. But a false prophet is not the same as a bad prophet. Bad prophets are trying their best, but they get things wrong; they are sometimes inaccurate and make mistakes.

In Deuteronomy 13 we see the definition of an actual false prophet:
If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a sign or wonder, and if the sign or wonder spoken of takes place, and the prophet says, “Let us follow other gods” (gods you have not known) “and let us worship them,” you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The Lord your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. It is the Lord your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him (Deuteronomy 13:1–4).

Here the false prophets actually got their predictions correct! What made them false was their intention to lead the people after false gods. False prophets are accurate, but they lead people down a path of destruction.

Later on in Deuteronomy 18, we meet the bad prophet:
I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put my words in his mouth. He will tell them everything I command him. I myself will call to account anyone who does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name. But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, is to be put to death. You may say to yourselves, “How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord?” If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously; so do not be alarmed (Deuteronomy 18:18–22).

We see in verse 18 that this type of prophet is raised up by God as His representative. But if such prophets speak presumptuously (from their own hearts, independent of God’s direct revelation), the people will know they are wrong because their words won’t come to pass. In Deuteronomy 13, the false prophet was accurate but led the people after false gods, whereas in chapter 18 the bad prophet was a true prophet of God who at times spoke presumptuously and inaccurately.

How are we to respond to these two types of prophets?

But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, is to be put to death….If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously; so do not be alarmed (Deuteronomy 18:20–22).
This verse shows us two different responses depending on the type of prophet.
 Bad prophets who speak presumptuously/inaccurately — Don’t be alarmed.
 False prophets who mislead people after other gods — Put them to death.

The Bad Prophet: If true prophets of God are inaccurate, they have spoken presumptuously, and the people should not be alarmed. Essentially, that means they don’t need to be afraid of him, but they also should take them less seriously when they prophesy. This should be our response to many of the prophets in the modern Church. If their track record for prophetic words is inaccurate, we shouldn’t be so moved when they prophesy. If they say California is going to be judged by God and then judgment doesn’t come, or if they declare financial investments that never turn up positive, it is irresponsible for us to continue to hold them in high regard. At least until they stop speaking presumptuously, we must not put so much weight on their words.

The False Prophet: False prophets are accurate, but they lead people after other gods (see Deut 13:1–4). The instruction to ancient Israel was to put them to death (see Deut. 18:20). Clearly, as we are not ancient Israel, this command no longer applies. Yet we can see the difference between the two types of prophets and the two different responses commanded to Israel.
The implications of this difference are significant. When people prophesy, they can be inaccurate without being false prophets! God never commanded death to His own prophets when they were inaccurate. So we do not have to be afraid of practicing prophecy and joyfully learning to hear God’s voice for ourselves and others. Jesus said His sheep will hear His voice (see John 10:3), and as His sheep, this is our privilege and our joy.
Here’s one final thought. Prophecy has never changed, but the covenants have changed. Prophets have always been God’s covenant lawyers. Under the Old Covenant, they came as God’s lawyers to prosecute His case against His covenant partner Israel. Now in the New Covenant, they are still God’s covenant lawyers, but the covenant has changed. Instead of pointing out guilt, sin, and condemnation, the New Covenant lawyer’s job is to point to the New Covenant, to declare, “You are released from shame; you are forgiven; you are free!” The job of the New Covenant lawyer (prophet) is to enforce God’s New Covenant and its effects. This includes healing, deliverance, salvation, forgiveness, and a cleansed conscience.

No longer is the Spirit only on a few individuals, as in Old Covenant times, but now in the New Covenant the Spirit has been poured out to all. It is time for the whole Church to “pursue the greater gifts…” (1 Cor. 12:31), but “especially prophecy” (1 Cor. 14:1). This is our great honor!
 
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I had a friend tell me just yesterday that a family member who lives in Guatemala called him all upset because he had just help unload 300,000 body bags and several hundred thousand plastic coffins and had heard about a possible asteroid strike in the Gulf of Mexico that was supposed to wipe out a lot of coastal area in the U.S., Mexico and South America...........
 

Blain

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I think it can be a sin. there are many many false prophets and teachers on youtube alone, many of them have made predictions have said they heard from God but when the time came and nothing happened they come up with an excuse for it and even though ppl see that they were wrong they follow these prophets anyways and still believe what they say and I know because I used to be one of them.

I cant tell you how many times I have been misled by these false prophets how many times I have been let down by them, I dont know their reasons for what they do I dont know if they think that giving even false hope will help ppl or if they have a darker reason but I am proof that they do far more damage than good. Now because of them I cannot believe anything anyone says about the end times and the rapture or about an earth shaking event or anything these false prophets have literally sucked all the hope and belief out of me to the point where I cant even go on youtube anymore or even believe the visions and dreams God has given me.

I have seen the tribulation I have seen the rapture happen more times than I can count I have seen devastation I have seen many horrible things coming to earth and even experienced them as if I was there I have seen me being taken to heaven and being made royalty I have seen me being Jesus bride even knowing what its like to be his bride a blessful wonderful and holy feeling I have seen a giant storm coming in the form of dark clouds and Jesus riding on top of them I have seen many many things and yet because these false prophets have drained me I cant believe this.

If I could find one true prophet of God Just one whose predictions are spot on every time then maybe my hope can be restored maybe then I could believe what has been shown to me but if such a person exists I have no idea
 
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OliviaDonna

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If an asteroid were to strike, why would body bags and coffins be needed? With the impact of the asteroid and the destruction of the tsunami and earthquake, all the bodies would be washed chaotically around.
 
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If an asteroid were to strike, why would body bags and coffins be needed? With the impact of the asteroid and the destruction of the tsunami and earthquake, all the bodies would be washed chaotically around.
Just telling you what was said......the number I was told was 150 miles inland....and there would be dead bodies every where...so...take it or leave it friend...was just passing on what I heard just yesterday.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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If an asteroid were to strike, why would body bags and coffins be needed? With the impact of the asteroid and the destruction of the tsunami and earthquake, all the bodies would be washed chaotically around.
if ya look at the great tsunami's the past few years, so many bodies were lying everywhere they were worried about disease and other things.
 
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tanach

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Question is for what purpose would God want to tell this person? How are people supposed to respond? Are those threatened supposed to move somewhere else, on the strength of one mans statement? If an asteroid was predicted to fall on the UK I would rather stay in blissful ignorance as there would be nothing I could do about it.