Is it Always Gods Will to Heal?

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KohenMatt

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No, God doesn't always heal.
But will ALWAYS bring glory and honor to Himself by whatever means necessary. Sometimes that is through a great healing people. Sometimes that is through a Believer's persistence and character in the midst of pain and suffering.

While I might get in trouble for saying this, God loves His people but He loves His entire Kingdom more. And He'll build that Kingdom by any means necessary, even if it means His individual people have to suffer physically.
 
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One's healing does not lie in their faithfulness to God but God's faithfulness to His word. I, we, need to go to a place of "If its His will" to "It is His will" because there in lies the problem. If we don't know if our heavenly Father who loves us so very much wants to heal us, what does that say about God? It has nothing to do with sovereignty and everything to do with His love and Jesus. God in His mercy may heal you based upon your hope that He will heal you, but you can also go and embrace His grace and see that He already has healed you in Jesus Christ.

One is certain and another is a hope that God will just do it. One says it is done and the other says, "It can be done." One accepts what Christ's beating has accomplished on their behalf and for their mortal bodies and the other bases their healing in the hope that God will do it regardless of their acceptance of what Christ has accomplished on their behalf. Neither is wrong, but one of them has a higher yield. While one is based in chance, the other is not. It is based upon the actions of Jesus thousands of years ago.

So while our faith may say that I believe God heals today, it is another matter to say that I believe God has healed me (past tense). You have to speak life, speak and echo what God says about you. If He has said that by His stripes you are healed, then echo it. Say what God says about you. I am healed, in Jesus name (for by His stripes I am healed). We can hope for healing, indeed I do. But we must go from a place of hope into faith if we wish for a more certain answer and manifestation to our desire to be healed. I am not saying your hope is in vain because God honors such hope because He sees you rely upon Him. However, faith takes grasp of the healing while hope is more passive.

This by no means is meant to offend or question your faith; it is more along the lines of redirecting the faith. You have the faith, it only needs to be aimed at the right source. Jesus.
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Health and weath crap is only crap!

You basically said I don't have enough faith in God to be healed. You say my faith is directed the wrong way. Sorry but you are way off the mark!

Because of my faith in God he is healing me it's called sanctification. I am way more concerned about my salvation than my body. My body will only be here for a short time...my salvation will last forever!

You best study a bit more on "by His stripes we are healed". It's not the physical healing we need skip!
 
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elf3 said:
Health and weath crap is only crap!

You basically said I don't have enough faith in God to be healed. You say my faith is directed the wrong way. Sorry but you are way off the mark!

Because of my faith in God he is healing me it's called sanctification. I am way more concerned about my salvation than my body. My body will only be here for a short time...my salvation will last forever!

You best study a bit more on "by His stripes we are healed". It's not the physical healing we need skip!
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Health and wealth is not crap. Both of these things go about in aiding the spreading of the Gospel. Health is important on many levels to be able to go traveling all the time and being active. It is energy. It allows you to have a good immune system to defend your body in different areas you may be ministering. I could go on. And wealth, who can say that it is not important? As is written in Acres of Diamonds, paraphrased, what builds your churches, sends your missionaries, and prints your bibles? MONEY. Money can be used as a means to bringing glory to God. To be opposed to health and wealth is to limit the tools we have in spreading the Gospel.

You know I did not intend to offend you(neither did I say you did not have enough faith. I said you did), maybe you should do some self-reflection.
 
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Jesus did a lot of things when he was on earth. We only see a fraction of things taking place that he performed. And some things he did are extremely rare to see. Sure, we hear stories that can never be verified, that take place all the time in other countries. And sure, sometimes we know someone who is healed of something. But have you ever raised the dead yourself? Healed a blind person? Caused a limb to grow back before your eyes? How many trustworthy people do you know who have?
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Funny that you say this, because it happened in Nazareth back in Jesus time to. I wonder why that was/is?
 
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KohenMatt said:
No, God doesn't always heal.
But will ALWAYS bring glory and honor to Himself by whatever means necessary. Sometimes that is through a great healing people. Sometimes that is through a Believer's persistence and character in the midst of pain and suffering.

While I might get in trouble for saying this, God loves His people but He loves His entire Kingdom more. And He'll build that Kingdom by any means necessary, even if it means His individual people have to suffer physically.
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Your contradiction is priceless man. We are the kingdom....just ssaying....
 
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Let me break this to you gently, there will come a time when you are going to die. If God healed everything, everytime, we would have eternal life in the flesh. T'ain't gonna happen.
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John, healing has nothing to do with eternal life...stop mixing the pot.
 
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The_highwayman said:
Your contradiction is priceless man. We are the kingdom....just ssaying....
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I thought the same thing, but then I think I got his point. He is saying that God is willing to allow individual people in the Kingdom to suffer for the better of the whole Kingdom (to increase numbers/build the Kingdom).
 
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The_highwayman

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BenFTW said:
I thought the same thing, but then I think I got his point. He is saying that God is willing to allow individual people in the Kingdom to suffer for the better of the whole Kingdom (to increase numbers/build the Kingdom).
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Good point Ben
 
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The_highwayman said:
Good point Ben
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Well, it was his point. lol But yeah, I can see how that is true and yet false in certain respects. You can look at the testimony of the apostles and say that it is so. But to use it as an excuse for why people are sick is to dismiss that the enemy makes people sick and they need to be healed to bring glory to God. While there are examples of suffering used to bring glory to God, God did not send the suffering. He gives the escape.
 
KohenMatt

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Yep, Ben got it.

Individuals within the Kingdom vs. God's Kingdom as a whole.
 
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hopesprings

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Some of the greatest joys can be found in the midst of suffering
 
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elf3

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BenFTW said:
Health and wealth is not crap. Both of these things go about in aiding the spreading of the Gospel. Health is important on many levels to be able to go traveling all the time and being active. It is energy. It allows you to have a good immune system to defend your body in different areas you may be ministering. I could go on. And wealth, who can say that it is not important? As is written in Acres of Diamonds, paraphrased, what builds your churches, sends your missionaries, and prints your bibles? MONEY. Money can be used as a means to bringing glory to God. To be opposed to health and wealth is to limit the tools we have in spreading the Gospel.

You know I did not intend to offend you(neither did I say you did not have enough faith. I said you did), maybe you should do some self-reflection.
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Dude i reflect every day. My health sucks but that's fine with me as others can see my faith in God through my joy. My wealth sucks but that's fine because I can give God all the glory in what I do have.

My faith in God is strong because I know that without Him I wouldn't be here.

God sure does want us healthy and wealthy...but only in Him. If you take that to the physical health and wealth then maybe you should reflect on God not on you.
 
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In response to the thread title's question, it is my personal belief that it is NOT always God's will for certain people to receive healing. He may use their illness as a means of making them stronger, and showing them his love for them, and even maybe to inspire others with the same illness to not give up. I believe in healing, absolutely, but I don't believe in instantaneous healing. If it WAS God's will for all people to be healed, then people such as myself, Blain and jkalyna, to name a few, would have no aches or pains whatsoever. :) This is only my opinion however.
 
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I wont post my thoughts yet.I got into trouble in the chat room when this discussion began.What are your thoughts on it?
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If it is, the the obvious question becomes, "why doesn't his will always get realized?" Obviously there are plenty of people who get sick, faithful Christians included. Some live with a lifetime of ailments, some die from sicknesses, and everyone eventually dies. If it's God's will that everyone gets healed, then why don't they?

Ecc3:1 For everythingthere is an appointed time,
and an appropriate timefor every activity on earth:

3:3 A time to kill, and a time to heal;
 
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No, as every day godly men and women die to go be with the Lord......Precious in the eyes of the Lord are the death of his saints...

One that comes to mind is Lazarus....!
 
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elf3 said:
Dude i reflect every day. My health sucks but that's fine with me as others can see my faith in God through my joy. My wealth sucks but that's fine because I can give God all the glory in what I do have.

My faith in God is strong because I know that without Him I wouldn't be here.

God sure does want us healthy and wealthy...but only in Him. If you take that to the physical health and wealth then maybe you should reflect on God not on you.
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This may come off as strong, but it reminds me of a testimony where a guy had a blemish on his back (almost like a birth mark but large) and the Lord said to him, "Do you want that?" Like "You can keep it cause you're used to it or I can heal you." Basically it was there because he grew accustomed to it, and so it seems to be the case with your health and finances. "Its fine" is your cry. Either way is fine for you, and that is your prerogative. It is also the reason why your health and finances are where they are at. I may have said that strongly, and it may offend you, but give it some thought. If its "all fine", then you wouldn't care what I just said about your health and finances.

PS: Ecclesiastes 5:19 Give it a read. :)
 
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BenFTW said:
This may come off as strong, but it reminds me of a testimony where a guy had a blemish on his back (almost like a birth mark but large) and the Lord said to him, "Do you want that?" Like "You can keep it cause you're used to it or I can heal you." Basically it was there because he grew accustomed to it, and so it seems to be the case with your health and finances. "Its fine" is your cry. Either way is fine for you, and that is your prerogative. It is also the reason why your health and finances are where they are at. I may have said that strongly, and it may offend you, but give it some thought. If its "all fine", then you wouldn't care what I just said about your health and finances.

PS: Ecclesiastes 5:19 Give it a read. :)
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Wow! You don't get it. go back and read ladybugs post them maybe just maybe you will understand. You keep your health and wealth crap cause I am right where God wants me!
 
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The_highwayman said:
John, healing has nothing to do with eternal life...stop mixing the pot.
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???? Boy are you out in left field on that reply, I wasn't referring to eternal life as healing. You should read a little closer.
 
KohenMatt

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elf3 said:
Wow! You don't get it. go back and read ladybugs post them maybe just maybe you will understand. You keep your health and wealth crap cause I am right where God wants me!
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Ease up on the language there, Brother. No need for it.
 
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The true healing God is always ready to heal

Mark 2:17 [Full Chapter]
When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
 
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