Is it possible to get, "unborn again"?

[kennethcadwell]

A sheep that runs away and lives for 5 years away from the flock without being caught is still the property of the owner and still the responsibility of the shepherd. Most shepherds will not be bothered enough to go looking for a single sheep that runs away, but of course the good perfect shepherd will strive to bring it back to the flock. We are the sheep and CHrist is the Perfect Good Shepherd, so we may run away, but once we are Christs, we will always remain so.

Have you not read the parable of the lost sheep, unless that sheep is brought or comes back to the Lord in repentance then it will remain lost.

Luke 15 The Parable of the Lost Sheep


15 Now the tax collectors and sinners were all gathering around to hear Jesus. 2 But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law muttered, “This man welcomes sinners and eats with them.”


3 Then Jesus told them this parable: 4 “Suppose one of you has a hundred sheep and loses one of them. Doesn’t he leave the ninety-nine in the open country and go after the lost sheep until he finds it? 5 And when he finds it, he joyfully puts it on his shoulders 6 and goes home. Then he calls his friends and neighbors together and says, ‘Rejoice with me; I have found my lost sheep.’ 7 I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent.

 

[Cassian]

A sheep that runs away and lives for 5 years away from the flock without being caught is still the property of the owner and still the responsibility of the shepherd. Most shepherds will not be bothered enough to go looking for a single sheep that runs away, but of course the good perfect shepherd will strive to bring it back to the flock. We are the sheep and CHrist is the Perfect Good Shepherd, so we may run away, but once we are Christs, we will always remain so.

Nice philosophical perspective but hardly scriptural. The fact you are able to run away destroys your whole theory. Why is Christ permitting you to run away?

 

[ELECT]

So if salvation is being born-again of the Holy Spirit of God and someone thinks salvation can be lost, wouldn't it stand to reason that one would have to get unborn-again?

can one be born of corruptible seed ?

 

[ELECT]

Have you not read the parable of the lost sheep, unless that sheep is brought or comes back to the Lord in repentance then it will remain lost.

Luke 15 The Parable of the Lost Sheep


15 Now the tax collectors and sinners were all gathering around to hear Jesus. 2 But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law muttered, “This man welcomes sinners and eats with them.”


3 Then Jesus told them this parable: 4 “Suppose one of you has a hundred sheep and loses one of them. Doesn’t he leave the ninety-nine in the open country and go after the lost sheep until he finds it? 5 And when he finds it, he joyfully puts it on his shoulders 6 and goes home. Then he calls his friends and neighbors together and says, ‘Rejoice with me; I have found my lost sheep.’ 7 I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent.

what about the backlsliding Sheep ?

 

[ELECT]

Nice philosophical perspective but hardly scriptural. The fact you are able to run away destroys your whole theory. Why is Christ permitting you to run away?

Why did Jonah run away ?

 

[kennethcadwell]

what about the backlsliding Sheep ?

What does Jesus say? He says you have to repent and ask forgiveness of that sin if and when you sin again, and He being a just Lord will forgive you.
The enfaces is in the fact that you have to repent and ask for forgiveness of that sin. You can not continue to let it control you.

 

[posthuman]

I don't know how election fits here since man is not saved by election. But man's purpose of existence was union with God in a synergistic relationship.

if in no other way, and (hopefully) not to drag in all sorts of theological, existential controversy, i think 'election' at the least fits in here because God knew us all intimately before He had even created the world, and He elected to create & sustain me despite all the sin i was bound to commit. He had a plan all along, Jesus Christ our remedy
i don't think i surprised Him by believing. i am sure He knew.

He knows me eternally, and eternal life is to know Him, amen!!

 

[Butch5]

So if salvation is being born-again of the Holy Spirit of God and someone thinks salvation can be lost, wouldn't it stand to reason that one would have to get unborn-again?

No, A person is born as a baby, what happens at the end of their life, are they unborn? No, they die.

 

[ELECT]

What does Jesus say? He says you have to repent and ask forgiveness of that sin if and when you sin again, and He being a just Lord will forgive you.
The enfaces is in the fact that you have to repent and ask for forgiveness of that sin. You can not continue to let it control you.

Jeremiah 3:22 [Full Chapter]
Return, ye backsliding children, and I will heal your backslidings. Behold, we come unto thee; for thou art the Lord our God.

 

[dalconn]

It is not possible to get unborn again. But it is possible to lose the Holy Spirit. That's why we must renew continuously our lives by partaking with Christ (life) through the Holy Spirit that's in the church.

So you say being born-again and possessing the Holy Spirit are two different things?

 

[Hoffco]

God's election is unto salvation, but it is not salvation, in the experiential sense. We only experience salvation after God in His POWER and MERCY CALLs us out of DEATH in sin , to life in Christ. All unearned, by Grace only, but then we are able to work out our salvation to the saving of our souls. God saves us, plans, begins our sal. and He will continue it, to full sal. ,and will not lose any of His "elect". We are elect unconditionally, only based on God's love ,not on God's knowledge of us. God's "PURPOSE" of sal. can't not be changed or fail. Rom.8:29-30 is God's UNCONDITIONAL plan of salvation. But, in the long haul, our sal. is also conditional on our REPENT TRUST and OBEY. The paradox of scripture can not be denied. Love Hoffco

 

[dalconn]

By the way, one can also get unborn physically, by suicide. Man can freely take both his physical life and spiritual life away.
Your theology is lacking reality and scriptural understanding.

So committing suicide will put you back in the womb? The intention of my original OP was to set up a straw man to bring out a point. A human birth cannot be reversed or erased (neither can a spiritual birth)

 

[SeaBass]

One who was spiritually born again can die spiritually.

Just because he can die spiritually does not prove he was never born again. One must first be born before he can die.

 

[dcontroversal]

One who was spiritually born again can die spiritually.

Just because he can die spiritually does not prove he was never born again. One must first be born before he can die.

More heresy from you I see. That which is born of SPIRIT is SPIRIT...If the SPIRIT of HIM that RAISED UP JESUS dwell IN YOU...which is the HOLY SPIRIT which we can GRIEVE by our sin....DUDE you are the poster boy for spiritual blindness for sure!

 

[ELECT]

More heresy from you I see. That which is born of SPIRIT is SPIRIT...If the SPIRIT of HIM that RAISED UP JESUS dwell IN YOU...which is the HOLY SPIRIT which we can GRIEVE by our sin....DUDE you are the poster boy for spiritual blindness for sure!

can one be born again of corruptible seed ?

 

[EmethAlethia]

It is not possible to get unborn again. But it is possible to lose the Holy Spirit. That's why we must renew continuously our lives by partaking with Christ (life) through the Holy Spirit that's in the church.

Rom 8:9
" However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. "

 

[Ariel82]

It would be great if CC software had some artificial intelligence, could prepend to threads, Reptitive OSAS Thread, or Repetitive Legal Apostasy Thread, or Not Sibling of Goliath Again, then the thread title. LOL!

they have the "similar thread" section on the bottom of each page

 

[Ariel82]

can you be unborn?

no, but you can not fulfill the task God meant you to do when He created you. Which could cause many not to turn from their sins and suffer needlessly when you could have aided them.

 

[Jason0047]

Well, the question is based on faulty presuppositions. At first glance, the statement that one cannot be "unborn" as a defense for "Once Saved Always Saved" appears to be one of the most puzzling arguments presented. But it is a completely illogical assertion for even in the natural, there is no such condition as being "unborn".

However, being born is the process whereby life is made manifest. The opposite of having life is not to be "unborn", but to be "dead." Just as one dies physically when life is no longer present, one also dies spiritually when the life of Christ is no longer present within.

This truth is reiterated in the parable of the Prodigal Son. When the son returns from his rebellious, riotous living, the father states:

"For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found." (Luke 15:11-24)

For the argument about being "unborn" is a strawman. No one is asserting that someone can be "unborn." However, being separated from the life of Christ will result in "spiritual death" (this is discussed in more detail here).

Another correlation some attempt to make is that the spiritual new birth is a reflection of the physical birth. They say, "No matter what I do or how I disappoint him, my earthly father is always my father and I will always be his son. It is the same with God." Therefore, they claim that - just like your physical genetic relationships cannot be undone - neither can your spiritual relationships.

The problem with this assertion is that our relationship with God as His sons and daughters is not based on a us being His physical children. We are not children of God by natural birth, but by spiritual adoption through faith.

"For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith." (1 John 5:4)

So, if our faith is what determines our relationship with God, the question becomes, "Can the foundation of one's faith change?"

We can draw back from faith:
"Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him." (Hebrews 10:38)

Faith can be overthrown:
"Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some." (2 Timothy 2:18)

You can cast off your faith:
"Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith." (1 Timothy 5:12)

One's faith can be put away and made shipwrecked:
"Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck." (1 Timothy 1:19)

In any event, I hope this helps.

May God's love shine upon you.

With loving kindness to you in Christ:

Sincerely,

~Jason.


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[SeaBass]

More heresy from you I see. That which is born of SPIRIT is SPIRIT...If the SPIRIT of HIM that RAISED UP JESUS dwell IN YOU...which is the HOLY SPIRIT which we can GRIEVE by our sin....DUDE you are the poster boy for spiritual blindness for sure!

James 5:19,20 "Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins."


Obviously one who has been spiritually born again (brethren) can die spiritually.


Eze 18:24 "But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die."

Eze 33:18,19 "When the righteous turneth from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, he shall even die thereby. But if the wicked turn from his wickedness, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall live thereby."


The one born again does not become "unborn" but falls from grace, Gal 5:4; 1 Cor 10:12, become spiritually dead