Is Roman Catholicism Evil?

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Is Roman Catholicism Evil?

  • Yes

    Votes: 59 45.7%
  • No

    Votes: 41 31.8%
  • Maybe

    Votes: 6 4.7%
  • I Don't Know

    Votes: 3 2.3%
  • Mel Gibson

    Votes: 5 3.9%
  • Penguins Are Eating My Eyes!!?

    Votes: 15 11.6%

  • Total voters
    129

Jackson123

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people in glass houses should not throw stones LOL
the cathloic church is moving in the same direction as many mainline evangelicial churches . many here pervert the love of God to be acceptance of many things God said HE would NOT Bless. And they confess Jesus as Lord.
so you going to say both catholic and mainline evangelicial not bless what God say

is that mean not agree what God say?
 

Jackson123

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people in glass houses should not throw stones LOL
the cathloic church is moving in the same direction as many mainline evangelicial churches . many here pervert the love of God to be acceptance of many things God said HE would NOT Bless. And they confess Jesus as Lord.
As for me, I am not throwing stones, what I do is read an article, I believe and I post It

that article say vatican enthrone Lucifer. To me It mean vatican worship satan, not God.

and when I know another church that enthrone Lucifer, I Will do the same.
 

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I am not sprinter out of another eye, I try to tell what I read and seem trust worthy, to make people aware that catholic worship Lucifer.

What do you mean by sprinter out another' eye?

because you think I am criticized catholic?

What about yourself, don't you criticized me? It mean you do splinter my eye, and not aware.

anyway to me enthrone Lucifer is worship Lucifer, worship idol is also mean worship Lucifer, and Christian not worship idol.

secretly catholic enthrone Lucifer, i believe, because openly they worship idol.


you may believe worship idol doesn't worship Lucifer, but I don't see the different.
Explain to me why when I visited a Catholic church I heard the gospel message! This goes against your supposition. I go with what I heard over your accusations. I have many disagreements with it but not that one.
 

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As for me, I am not throwing stones, what I do is read an article, I believe and I post It

that article say vatican enthrone Lucifer. To me It mean vatican worship satan, not God.

and when I know another church that enthrone Lucifer, I Will do the same.
There are many articles written about many things. You need to understand that not all are true. This is a major problem with the internet age. It becomes incumbent on us to make sure the article is factual and not sombodies rant in anger lying to inflict harm.
 

Jackson123

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Explain to me why when I visited a Catholic church I heard the gospel message! This goes against your supposition. I go with what I heard over your accusations. I have many disagreements with it but not that one.

Goes again what I read, It is because they do It secretly.

Now explain to me why catholic believe wear scapula when die go to heaven?

why pray to Mary?
 

Jackson123

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There are many articles written about many things. You need to understand that not all are true. This is a major problem with the internet age. It becomes incumbent on us to make sure the article is factual and not sombodies rant in anger lying to inflict harm.
If It not true why vatican not sue that person?

You tell me you hear the gospel in catholic church, and I read It inline

and you say everything online may not true, is that include what you write?

have you read jesuit oath. It is on the library of us congress

The Society of Jesus (Jesuits)

if It not true than you can sue us congress, If you can prove It not true


Read how satanic the oath.
 
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If It not true why vatican not sue that person?
Because the Catholic Church has better things to spend its money on, like its charitable work around the world and settling lawsuits filed for various activities by some of its clergy.

have you read jesuit oath. It is on the library of us congress
The Society of Jesus (Jesuits) if It not true than you can sue us congress, If you can prove It not true.
No you can't sue the Library of Congress if it's not true. The Library of Congress, through the Copyright Registration Office that falls under its mandate, is the repository of all copyright material registered in the United States. It has no responsibility for verifying the accuracy of the information in the copyright, only archiving it. But it does provide the documentation necessary to support legal action involving copyright infringement.

But Jackson123, I must thank you ever so much for providing me with the biggest laugh of my day.

Jesuit Oath in the Library of Congress Debunked

Sometimes, one finds himself completely outside the realm of "the possible" and in the strange realm of “where the heck did they come up with this stuff?” The Jesuit Oath is one such example: It is completely ludicrous, and to see that people actually believe this stuff is simply staggering.

"The Jesuit Oath" found in the Library of Congress is one of the two most popular versions cited. It is probably cited so often due to the fact that it can be located in the Library of Congress, Washington, DC, Library of Congress Catalog Card # 66-43354, registered in 1883. Anti-Catholics seem to believe that because it is found in the Library of Congress, that it is a credible document. This article will show that is not always a given. On the other hand, perhaps certain anti-Catholics wish to prey on ignorance, and they know exactly what is about to be exposed.

Every time I have seen this Oath used, the person citing it has relied on the fact that it can be found in the Library of Congress as some testimonial to the legitimacy and authority of the document. So, to see if this was really the case, I went on an excursion to the Library of Congress copyright registration website < https://www.copyright.gov/ > and had a look-see for myself.

I was interested in how I could make a submission. I stumbled across information pamphlet FL 109 < https://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl109.pdf >, which discusses Copyrights. According to FL 109, three things are needed to obtain a copyright and obtain subsequent registration in the Library of Congress. They are:
- A completed Form TX. < https://www.copyright.gov/forms/formtx.pdf >*
- A non-refundable filing fee of between $35 and $85.*
- A non-returnable deposit of a copy of the work.

* [As of 18 December 2017] The standard filing fee for electronic registration is $55 for basic claims. However, the electronic filing fee is $35 if you register one work, not made for hire, and you are the only author and claimant. You can also register using fill-in forms TX (literary works); VA (visual arts works); PA (performing arts works, including motion pictures); SR (sound recordings); SE (single serial issues); and Form SE/Group (group registration of serials). Form CON is a continuation sheet available for applications that require more space than the standard fill-in forms. You can also request blank forms through the USPS. The fee for a basic hard copy registration using one of these forms is $85, payable by check or money order. Complete the form for the type of work you are registering, print it out, sign it, and mail it with a check or money order and your copy for deposit at the Library of Congress. Credit cards are not accepted for filings on these forms unless the forms are hand-delivered to the Public Information Office.

Pamphlet FL 109 states at the very beginning that Form TX should be used to apply for copyright registration of textual works, with or without illustrations. Form TX is appropriate for registration of nondramatic literary works including: fiction, nonfiction, poetry, contributions to collective works, compilations, directories, catalogs, dissertations, theses, reports, speeches, bound or loose-leaf volumes, pamphlets, brochures, and single pages containing text. There is no specific requirement as to the printing, binding, format, or paper size and quality of unpublished manuscript material. Typewritten, photocopied, and legibly handwritten manuscripts, preferably in ink, are all acceptable for deposit.

Loose-leaf scribblings are suitable for admission, according to the Library of Congress, and all for the low, low price of between $35 and $85. Who can make a submission? Anyone who wants to make one. Anything else to remember? It is non-returnable, so you need to make a copy for your own records.

So, how credible is a Library of Congress registration sounding now? Not very authoritative, is it? I can imagine that just about everything and anything can be, and has been, submitted to the Library of Congress. Since all it requires is the fee and some paperwork, one could put anything in it.

What does all of that mean? I could very well make a statement, scribbled on a piece of toilet paper [Quilted Northern Ultra Plush 3 Ply Toilet Paper would be my choice] that has some extremist "Anti-Catholic Oath" on it requiring all anti-Catholics to swear loyalty to the Red Queen in Lewis Carroll's novel, "Through the Looking-Glass." Then I can claim that this applies to all anti-Catholics, and that we should be wary of them. My "Anti-Catholic Oath" would be just as credible as the Jesuit Oath if the anti-Catholics applied the same criteria to my toilet paper as they do their precious Jesuit Oath.

All of which leaves me with just one last thing to say:

Exodus 23:1-2 (KJV) -- (1) Thou shalt not raise a false report: put not thine hand with the wicked to be an unrighteous witness. (2) Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil; neither shalt thou speak in a cause to decline after many to wrest judgment.
 

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Because the Catholic Church has better things to spend its money on, like its charitable work around the world and settling lawsuits filed for various activities by some of its clergy.



No you can't sue the Library of Congress if it's not true. The Library of Congress, through the Copyright Registration Office that falls under its mandate, is the repository of all copyright material registered in the United States. It has no responsibility for verifying the accuracy of the information in the copyright, only archiving it. But it does provide the documentation necessary to support legal action involving copyright infringement.

But Jackson123, I must thank you ever so much for providing me with the biggest laugh of my day.

Jesuit Oath in the Library of Congress Debunked

Sometimes, one finds himself completely outside the realm of "the possible" and in the strange realm of “where the heck did they come up with this stuff?” The Jesuit Oath is one such example: It is completely ludicrous, and to see that people actually believe this stuff is simply staggering.

"The Jesuit Oath" found in the Library of Congress is one of the two most popular versions cited. It is probably cited so often due to the fact that it can be located in the Library of Congress, Washington, DC, Library of Congress Catalog Card # 66-43354, registered in 1883. Anti-Catholics seem to believe that because it is found in the Library of Congress, that it is a credible document. This article will show that is not always a given. On the other hand, perhaps certain anti-Catholics wish to prey on ignorance, and they know exactly what is about to be exposed.

Every time I have seen this Oath used, the person citing it has relied on the fact that it can be found in the Library of Congress as some testimonial to the legitimacy and authority of the document. So, to see if this was really the case, I went on an excursion to the Library of Congress copyright registration website < https://www.copyright.gov/ > and had a look-see for myself.

I was interested in how I could make a submission. I stumbled across information pamphlet FL 109 < https://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl109.pdf >, which discusses Copyrights. According to FL 109, three things are needed to obtain a copyright and obtain subsequent registration in the Library of Congress. They are:
- A completed Form TX. < https://www.copyright.gov/forms/formtx.pdf >*
- A non-refundable filing fee of between $35 and $85.*
- A non-returnable deposit of a copy of the work.

* [As of 18 December 2017] The standard filing fee for electronic registration is $55 for basic claims. However, the electronic filing fee is $35 if you register one work, not made for hire, and you are the only author and claimant. You can also register using fill-in forms TX (literary works); VA (visual arts works); PA (performing arts works, including motion pictures); SR (sound recordings); SE (single serial issues); and Form SE/Group (group registration of serials). Form CON is a continuation sheet available for applications that require more space than the standard fill-in forms. You can also request blank forms through the USPS. The fee for a basic hard copy registration using one of these forms is $85, payable by check or money order. Complete the form for the type of work you are registering, print it out, sign it, and mail it with a check or money order and your copy for deposit at the Library of Congress. Credit cards are not accepted for filings on these forms unless the forms are hand-delivered to the Public Information Office.

Pamphlet FL 109 states at the very beginning that Form TX should be used to apply for copyright registration of textual works, with or without illustrations. Form TX is appropriate for registration of nondramatic literary works including: fiction, nonfiction, poetry, contributions to collective works, compilations, directories, catalogs, dissertations, theses, reports, speeches, bound or loose-leaf volumes, pamphlets, brochures, and single pages containing text. There is no specific requirement as to the printing, binding, format, or paper size and quality of unpublished manuscript material. Typewritten, photocopied, and legibly handwritten manuscripts, preferably in ink, are all acceptable for deposit.

Loose-leaf scribblings are suitable for admission, according to the Library of Congress, and all for the low, low price of between $35 and $85. Who can make a submission? Anyone who wants to make one. Anything else to remember? It is non-returnable, so you need to make a copy for your own records.

So, how credible is a Library of Congress registration sounding now? Not very authoritative, is it? I can imagine that just about everything and anything can be, and has been, submitted to the Library of Congress. Since all it requires is the fee and some paperwork, one could put anything in it.

What does all of that mean? I could very well make a statement, scribbled on a piece of toilet paper [Quilted Northern Ultra Plush 3 Ply Toilet Paper would be my choice] that has some extremist "Anti-Catholic Oath" on it requiring all anti-Catholics to swear loyalty to the Red Queen in Lewis Carroll's novel, "Through the Looking-Glass." Then I can claim that this applies to all anti-Catholics, and that we should be wary of them. My "Anti-Catholic Oath" would be just as credible as the Jesuit Oath if the anti-Catholics applied the same criteria to my toilet paper as they do their precious Jesuit Oath.

All of which leaves me with just one last thing to say:

Exodus 23:1-2 (KJV) -- (1) Thou shalt not raise a false report: put not thine hand with the wicked to be an unrighteous witness. (2) Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil; neither shalt thou speak in a cause to decline after many to wrest judgment.
1. You not convince me about vatican enthrone Lucifer mean enthrone Jesus since yo Said Lucifer is not proper name.

2. Catholic have history of Lie, how she Lie that Mary soul able to protect billions catholic, pray to Mary Will be a benefide, scapula can save from hell and Lot more Lie, so this debunk is not convince me.

Inquisition is one of the fact that convince me about Jesuit oath.

3. About sex party that Alberto rivera Said in the 60' was debunk. Now read news paper, just last year police cought the sex party in the vatican. Did police Lie? I don't think so, but If you believer the day. police Lie, If you believe police Lie about it, i must Thank so must for profiding me with the biggest laugh of the day.

and I am pro catholic people, that why I try to convince them not to believe satanic religion.
 

Jackson123

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Explain to me why when I visited a Catholic church I heard the gospel message! This goes against your supposition. I go with what I heard over your accusations. I have many disagreements with it but not that one.
let me ask you question, Dear, when you in the catholic church in south africa, did you hear hasil Mary, or people talk to Mary soul? If so than what you hear is satanic pray, not the gospel,

gospel must be only to cover up, to make people think catholic pro gospel. You can't preach gospel and doing demonic pray in the same time.
 

Jackson123

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Lumen gentium II/16

16. Finally, those who have not yet received the Gospel are related in various ways to the people of God.(18*) In the first place we must recall the people to whom the testament and the promises were given and from whom Christ was born according to the flesh.(125) On account of their fathers this people remains most dear to God, for God does not repent of the gifts He makes nor of the calls He issues.(126); But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Mohamedans, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind. Nor is God far distant from those who in shadows and images seek the unknown God, for it is He who gives to all men life and breath and all things,(127) and as Saviour wills that all men be saved.(128)

I quote this from official catholic dogma, to me this statement mean catholic and moslem share the same God,
who is moslem God? Mohammad?, No, I believe Lucifer behind this religion.

Moslem God = lucifer

moslem God = catholic god

> catholic god = lucifer

no wonder vatican enthrone Lucifer.
 

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As for me, I am not throwing stones, what I do is read an article, I believe and I post It

that article say vatican enthrone Lucifer. To me It mean vatican worship satan, not God.

and when I know another church that enthrone Lucifer, I Will do the same.

2Cor 11:4 NLT

"You happily put up with whatever anyone tells you, even if they preach a different Jesus than the one we preach, or a different kind of Spirit than the one you received, or a different kind of gospel than the one you believed.

Verse 5 :1-3

5But I don’t consider myself inferior in any way to these “super apostles” who teach such things. be unskilled as a speaker, but I’m not lacking in knowledge. We have made this clear to you in every possible way.

2Peter 2:
1But there were also false prophets in Israel, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will cleverly teach destructive heresies and even deny the Master who bought them. In this way, they will bring sudden destruction on themselves. 2Many will follow their evil teaching and shameful immorality. And because of these teachers, the way of truth will be slandered. 3In their greed they will make up clever lies to get hold of your money. But God condemned them long ago, and their destruction will not be delayed.




 

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Wow! CS1 do not be afraid, tell us what you really think. LOL That is very strong! Fine scriptures for any church to remember!
 
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1. You not convince me about vatican enthrone Lucifer mean enthrone Jesus since yo Said Lucifer is not proper name.

2. Catholic have history of Lie, how she Lie that Mary soul able to protect billions catholic, pray to Mary Will be a benefide, scapula can save from hell and Lot more Lie, so this debunk is not convince me. Inquisition is one of the fact that convince me about Jesuit oath.

3. About sex party that Alberto rivera Said in the 60' was debunk. Now read news paper, just last year police cought the sex party in the vatican. Did police Lie? I don't think so, but If you believer the day. police Lie, If you believe police Lie about it, i must Thank so must for profiding me with the biggest laugh of the day.

and I am pro catholic people, that why I try to convince them not to believe satanic religion.
If you cannot understand what I've posted, there's a problem. I explained in great detail about lucifer, but it is clear you did not comprehend what I wrote. I could post in French, Spanish or Italian if that would work better for you, but that is against the rules of the Christian Chat site. (See: Rules for Chat Rooms and Forums -- "#4 English, please.")

Since you prefer to be swayed by fiction, which is what the Jesuit Oath is, there is nothing anyone can provide in the way of facts or critical thinking or logic that might penetrate the world you've created for yourself. If you really wanted to find out about the Jesuits, you would have gone to the source rather than vacuum up the fiction fabricated by conspiracy theorists. A good place to start that journey would be Chreighton University (in Omaha, Nebraska) at < https://www.creighton.edu/about/what-jesuit-education >, where you can learn all about the Jesuit core values.

You choose to claim that the Catholic Church teaches something, yet you refuse to provide sources using the very Catechism of the Catholic Church to support your assertion. When you fail to present evidence, you undermine the point you are trying to make.

And it's clear from what you posted, that you did not even understand the newspaper article. Did the police lie? Absolutely not. Did police say what you claimed they did. No they did not. That was all your creation.

You choose not to respond to what I've posted. So be it. But reading your posts persuades me more and more that I should register that completely fictional Anti-Catholic Oath I wrote about earlier. Then it, too, would be in the Library of Congress. Then you would face a conundrum: either accept it as fact, like you did with the Jesuit Oath, or admit that both are works of fiction.

I'd gladly debate Catholic theology, and the merits and flaws of the Catholic Church (which has plenty of both) with you 'til the cows come home. But I can't do that on my own. You'd have to participate. And in the multiple responses you've made, you haven't or won't. I figure it's because you're unwilling to discuss anything. And that takes all the fun out of the process. Such a shame.
 

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If you cannot understand what I've posted, there's a problem. I explained in great detail about lucifer, but it is clear you did not comprehend what I wrote. I could post in French, Spanish or Italian if that would work better for you, but that is against the rules of the Christian Chat site. (See: Rules for Chat Rooms and Forums -- "#4 English, please.")

Since you prefer to be swayed by fiction, which is what the Jesuit Oath is, there is nothing anyone can provide in the way of facts or critical thinking or logic that might penetrate the world you've created for yourself. If you really wanted to find out about the Jesuits, you would have gone to the source rather than vacuum up the fiction fabricated by conspiracy theorists. A good place to start that journey would be Chreighton University (in Omaha, Nebraska) at < https://www.creighton.edu/about/what-jesuit-education >, where you can learn all about the Jesuit core values.

You choose to claim that the Catholic Church teaches something, yet you refuse to provide sources using the very Catechism of the Catholic Church to support your assertion. When you fail to present evidence, you undermine the point you are trying to make.

And it's clear from what you posted, that you did not even understand the newspaper article. Did the police lie? Absolutely not. Did police say what you claimed they did. No they did not. That was all your creation.

You choose not to respond to what I've posted. So be it. But reading your posts persuades me more and more that I should register that completely fictional Anti-Catholic Oath I wrote about earlier. Then it, too, would be in the Library of Congress. Then you would face a conundrum: either accept it as fact, like you did with the Jesuit Oath, or admit that both are works of fiction.

I'd gladly debate Catholic theology, and the merits and flaws of the Catholic Church (which has plenty of both) with you 'til the cows come home. But I can't do that on my own. You'd have to participate. And in the multiple responses you've made, you haven't or won't. I figure it's because you're unwilling to discuss anything. And that takes all the fun out of the process. Such a shame.
the fact that there is inquisition, make me believe Jesuit oath,

you denied there is sex party in vatican?

How about wear scapula save you from hell?

how about lumen gentium say catholic share God with moslem?

if you speak Indonesian, I can profide you with the link from official Indonesian catholic web, a text of submissions pray to Mary.

is that biblical?

if you want to post to congress library, It is good, but It not prove that jesuit oath is Lie.

Ingusition SUPPORT the existence of that oath.

pray to Mary, the fact that catholic admit share the same God with moslem, etc SUPPORT It.

wich God teach pray to Mary, moslem God, etc, No other than Lucifer.
 
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the fact that there is inquisition, make me believe Jesuit oath,

Brian: Sorry. Historians use the term "Medieval Inquisition" to describe the various inquisitions that started around 1184, including the Episcopal Inquisition (1184 to 1230s) and later the Papal Inquisition (1230s). Quite separate was the Roman Inquisition, begun in 1542. It was the least active and most benign of the three variations. Separate again was the infamous Spanish Inquisition, started in 1478, a state institution used to identify conversos -- Jews and Moors (Muslims) who pretended to convert to Christianity for purposes of political or social advantage and secretly practiced their former religion. The wars of independence of the former Spanish colonies in the Americas concluded with the abolition of the Inquisition in every quarter of Hispanic America between 1813 and 1825. In Portugal, in the wake of the Liberal Revolution of 1820, the "General Extraordinary and Constituent Courts of the Portuguese Nation" abolished the Portuguese inquisition in 1821. The Jesuit Oath you wrote about was not even created until 1883. I gave you the site where you can read all about the core elements of the Jesuits.

you denied there is sex party in vatican?

Brian: Nope.

How about wear scapula save you from hell?

Brian: Wearing a scapula won't save me from anything. I'm Protestant.

how about lumen gentium say catholic share God with moslem?

Brian: How about it?

if you speak Indonesian, I can profide you with the link from official Indonesian catholic web, a text of submissions pray to Mary. is that biblical?

Brian: Sorry, Indonesian is not one of my languages. However, I have visited the country. The food, the culture, and the architecture are incredible, and most of the people I met were very welcoming.

if you want to post to congress library, It is good, but It not prove that jesuit oath is Lie.

Brian: I already proved the Jesuit Oath is fake. As I noted previously: Do your research somewhere other than at a conspiracy site. I even provided you with a place to start. You're welcome.

Ingusition SUPPORT the existence of that oath.

Brian: You already said that at the beginning.

pray to Mary, the fact that catholic admit share the same God with moslem, etc SUPPORT It.

Brian: You mean there's more than one God? I thought one of the key tenets for Christianity is that there is one triune God made up of three Divine Persons. So which God do Arabic Christians worship since they also worship Allah? "Allah" in Arabic translates to "God" in English, and to "Dieu" in French, and "Dios" in Spanish, and "Бог" in Russian. Are each of these a different "God"? And do Jewish people worship the same God as Christians?

wich God teach pray to Mary, moslem God, etc, No other than Lucifer.

Brian: But "lucifer" is not a person and it is not Satan. It is a thing -- the morning star, also known as the planet Venus. But your statement is redundant. You're repeating yourself ... again. :eek:


C'mon, Jackson123.
I know you can do better than that.
All you have to do is make an effort.
Provide some real evidence; some facts.
You can do it !! I have faith.
 

Jackson123

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C'mon, Jackson123.
I know you can do better than that.
All you have to do is make an effort.
Provide some real evidence; some facts.
You can do it !! I have faith.
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you say Jesuit oath not create until 1883, is that mean you admit there is Jesuit oath?

this is lumen gentium that I need you to read and comment

16. Finally, those who have not yet received the Gospel are related in various ways to the people of God.(18*) In the first place we must recall the people to whom the testament and the promises were given and from whom Christ was born according to the flesh.(125) On account of their fathers this people remains most dear to God, for God does not repent of the gifts He makes nor of the calls He issues.(126) But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Muslims, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind. Nor is God far distant from those who in shadows and images seek the unknown God, for it is He who gives to all men life and breath and all things,(127) and as Saviour wills that all men be saved.(128

Do you believe moslem worship the God of Abraham?

moslem worship catholic god, that I believe.

you Don't believe wear scapula save you, so what God send Mary soul to teach this believe? Lucifer?

you say Lucifer is Jesus, I repeat my question did you pray in the name of Lucifer?

did Jesus teach pray to Mary, or ask Mary soul pray and protect us?

where in the bible say Mary soul able to hear billions catholic every where.

if you pray or ask Mary to pray for you in Australia, and your friend pray from mexico in the same time, can Mary hear both of them?

lot of Lie going oN my Dear.

back to lucifer

do you believe vatican ever enthrone Lucifer but It is Jesus, or you don't believe vatican ever enthrone Lucifer ?
 

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This quotation I took from catholic.org, the pope had No doubt that his survival was protection from Mary soul.

dear Brian, do you share this believe? If so, give me a verse that say physicall dead Mary able to protect billions catholic.

https://www.catholic.org/news/saints/story.php?id=41174

By John Paul II's assessment, "It was a mother's hand that guided the bullet's path," and permitted that "the dying Pope. stopped on the threshold of death." The assassination attempt had taken place on the feast of Our Lady of Fatima, and the pope had no doubt that his survival was due to the intervention of the Blessed Virgin Mary.
 
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you say Jesuit oath not create until 1883, is that mean you admit there is Jesuit oath?

Brian: There is a work registered with the Library of Congress that claims to be the Jesuit Oath. But I have proved it is a fake.

this is lumen gentium that I need you to read and comment

16. Finally, those who have not yet received the Gospel are related in various ways to the people of God.(18*) In the first place we must recall the people to whom the testament and the promises were given and from whom Christ was born according to the flesh.(125) On account of their fathers this people remains most dear to God, for God does not repent of the gifts He makes nor of the calls He issues.(126) But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Muslims, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind. Nor is God far distant from those who in shadows and images seek the unknown God, for it is He who gives to all men life and breath and all things,(127) and as Saviour wills that all men be saved.(128)

Brian: I read it ... thoroughly. My Comment: It is very well written.

Do you believe moslem worship the God of Abraham?
moslem worship catholic god, that I believe.

Brian: (Part A) I believe Muslims profess that they follow the God of Abraham. So do the Jews. So do Christians.
(Part B) Good for you.


you Don't believe wear scapula save you, so what God send Mary soul to teach this believe? Lucifer?

Brian: There is but one God. Figure it out. Your choices are very limited.

you say Lucifer is Jesus, I repeat my question did you pray in the name of Lucifer?

Brian: I did not say lucifer is Jesus. I said the Bible said it. I do not pray in the "name" of lucifer because lucifer is not God and lucifer is not a name or even a person. A lucifer is a thing. A lucifer is an "it." So lucifer is the Latin word for morning star, and Jesus is described in the Bible as the morning star. Repeat after me: "Lucifer is not a name or a person. A lucifer is a thing; lucifer is the Latin word for morning star."

did Jesus teach pray to Mary, or ask Mary soul pray and protect us?

where in the bible say Mary soul able to hear billions catholic every where.

if you pray or ask Mary to pray for you in Australia, and your friend pray from mexico in the same time, can Mary hear both of them?

Brian: Why don't you read over some of my previous posts on what Catholics believe about Mary. Or better yet, seek the answers yourself in the Catholic Catechism. I've already given you the link. It's probably among the long list I've given you that you've never used. Personally, I don't pray to Mary to ask for her intercession with Jesus, but that's just me, and it's probably because I'm not Catholic.

lot of Lie going oN my Dear.

Brian: I'm not your dear, or anyone else's. And that's no lie.

back to lucifer

Brian: Go back and red my previous posts then. And here's a novel thought -- try using some of the links I gave you. My dear.

do you believe vatican ever enthrone Lucifer but It is Jesus, or you don't believe vatican ever enthrone Lucifer ?

Brian: Jesus is the morning star, and lucifer is the Latin word for morning star. I do not believe the Vatican ever enthroned a lucifer. But that's because lucifer is a thing, not a person. The Vatican has also probably not enthroned a chair, or a bookcase, or the paving stones in St. Peter's Square, or the Swiss Guards' uniforms, or the Pope's cup of morning coffee. Those are things, too.

Once again, repeat after me: "Lucifer is not a name or a person. A lucifer is a thing; lucifer is the Latin word for morning star."
Question:
Do you really expect a different answer from me if you ask the same question over and over again?
If you do, good luck with that.
 
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This quotation I took from catholic.org, the pope had No doubt that his survival was protection from Mary soul.

dear Brian, do you share this believe? If so, give me a verse that say physicall dead Mary able to protect billions catholic.

https://www.catholic.org/news/saints/story.php?id=41174

By John Paul II's assessment, "It was a mother's hand that guided the bullet's path," and permitted that "the dying Pope. stopped on the threshold of death." The assassination attempt had taken place on the feast of Our Lady of Fatima, and the pope had no doubt that his survival was due to the intervention of the Blessed Virgin Mary.
If Pope John Paul II wanted to believe that, it is his right as the leader of the Catholic Church.
But I do not share that belief.
And the reason for that is I'm not Catholic.
I'm Protestant (Episcopal Church of Scotland, part of the Anglican Communion).
Precisely what part of that are you having difficulty understanding?
If you let me know, I'll try to explain it using really simple words.
 

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If Pope John Paul II wanted to believe that, it is his right as the leader of the Catholic Church.
But I do not share that belief.
And the reason for that is I'm not Catholic.
I'm Protestant (Episcopal Church of Scotland, part of the Anglican Communion).
Precisely what part of that are you having difficulty understanding?
If you let me know, I'll try to explain it using really simple words.

FYI guys I do not know if you know this but this pope is very PC and political .

that being said the other leaders have to be putting pressure on the Pope because he is retiring . have you heard about that ? I think this is his was of given Rome that finger . what say you all?