Is the Devil bound right now...?

[InSpiritInTruth]

Your missing the whole meaning of Christ coming. Being bound does not mean Satan does not exist, or that he is not active in this world. Satan, by Christ's resurrection has already lost the war. He is simply warring against the population of this world, including every Christian, actually, especially Christians to deceive them and to join with him.

Here is much more scripture that states why Christ came and what He accomplished.

When Christ was crucified His death represented the second death that would be the end of man if not redeemed. He decended into Hell. When he rose from the dead, Christ had bound Satan, in that He now has limited power over the second death. Christ also took with him those of the OT saints. This is the taking of the spoils of the strong man, Satan. Rev 20: 1-3. The devil is bound in that he lost some of his power over death and Hades. From the time of Christ's first coming Christ's Church is formed where the Gospel is preached. Man is summoned to the Kingdom of God and the devil is barred from preventing their entrance into it. The abyss refers to the hearts of those who have rejected God. That is the evil one sees in the world today. Satan is working mightly to overcome but knows that he will fail.


Texts dealing with Satan Bound:
1. Mt 12:29
2. Mk 3:22-27
3. Lk 10:17-19
4. Jn 12:30-32
5. Eph 4:8
6. Col 2:15
7. Zech 13:2

Very simply, if one does not believe Satan is bound currently, then they also cannot believe that Christ has come, but like the Jews are still awaiting the Messiah.

Only those who are sealed of God's Spirit are given power over Satan, the rest of the world has already been deceived.

Matthew 12:29 speaks of those who have Christ dwelling in them, not the whole world.
Mark 3:22-27 speaks of the same, only individuals who have Christ dwelling in them have been given power over the enemy, not the rest of the world.
Lk 10:17-19 Shows the same, by being given power by God over the enemy, this only applies to the Lords elect, not the world.
Jn 12:30-32 This just shows what I showed earlier, the Devil was cast out of heaven to earth
Eph 4:8 This just shows how God's elect are freed from the power of the enemy and the bondage of sin, but not applied to the unbelieving world
Col 2:15 Again only applies to those who are Christ's, not to the whole world.
Zech 13:2 If you applied this to Christ crucified, being the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world, which does speak of the removal of sin and the unclean spirit. But listen to what Jesus said would happen after the evil spirit was removed....


Matthew 12:43-45

[SUP]43 [/SUP]When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
[SUP]44 [/SUP]Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
[SUP]45 [/SUP]Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

This proves many would fall back and be overcome by Satan, so this also proves only God's elect have been given power over the enemy, but not those who are of the world.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

So that means that he is limited in what he can do, and therefore bound. They could hardly have power over all the power of the enemy if he was not bound in some way. Personally I think we overexaggerate his power over the world. He still has to cater for man's freewill, and he has to deceive precisely because he is limited in power.

Satan has always been limited to some extent in what he could do, just look at the story of Job. But Satan is not presently bound from deceiving the whole world, as he has done so wonderfully by many great deceptions through lies and false prophets. Those who live in sin are of him and his spirit, and are under his influence and they don't even know it. But like I said before, the only ones who have power over his spirit is those who are of God's Spirit. The rest of the world are wide open to his ways, and that's why they do his desire, and that is also how they worship the Dragon.

 

[valiant]

Satan has always been limited to some extent in what he could do, just look at the story of Job. But Satan is not presently bound from deceiving the whole world, as he has done so wonderfully by many great deceptions through lies and false prophets. Those who live in sin are of him and his spirit, and are under his influence and they don't even know it. But like I said before, the only ones who have power over his spirit is those who are of God's Spirit. The rest of the world are wide open to his ways, and that's why they do his desire, and that is also how they worship the Dragon.

well at least you have admitted now that he was bound in some way, and still is. But I am not convinced that he even has such power over the world, and Scripture nowhere says it. The world is independent both of God and of Satan. That is why he has to deceive them..

I have not noticed anyone worshiping the drakon LOL although no doubt there are some Satanists who do

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

well at least you have admitted now that he was bound in some way, and still is. But I am not convinced that he even has such power over the world, and Scripture nowhere says it. The world is independent both of God and of Satan. That is why he has to deceive them..

I have not noticed anyone worshiping the drakon LOL although no doubt there are some Satanists who do

He's limited but not presently bound, that happens when Christ returns as written. He has power over the world because he is in the world by his spirit, as it is written the whole world lies in wickedness.
1 John 4:4Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

He is the prince, or god of this world who blinds and deceives by his spirit...
2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

The world worships him by doing his desire (his will) by doing the lusts of their father the Devil=sin

Revelation 13:3-4 "...........and all the world wondered after the beast.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: .....

He deceives the whole world...
Revelation 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

 

[dcontroversal]

Perhaps the ignorance belongs to someone else? What do you think that 'the Devil walking about seeking whom he may devour' referred to? It referred to the persecutors of Christians trying to seek them out. It was not Satan directly. Satan also desired to have Peter, and seemingly was given permission. BUT THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT, he was bound and limited in what he could do.

Jesus was quite clear about Satan's binding. 'If I by the Spirit of God cast out devils then the kingly rule of God has come upon you. How can one enter into the house of the strong man and spoil his goods except he first bind the strong man, then he may spoil his goods?' (Matt 12.29; compare Luke 11.20-22). Compare how He said to His disciples, 'I beheld Satan as lightning fall from Heaven'. (Luke 10.18). Jesus saw Satan as bound and cast from Heaven during His ministry. Even a child could see that that meant that Jesus had bound Satan. And He saw the same thing as happening to his minions at the cross (Col 2.15). That is why Rev 9.1-11; 20.1-3 sees Satan as the king of the angels as being in the Abyss and being released just prior to the end.

So I don't know what comic books you believe, but I believe Jesus and the Bible.

Satan still has power. But it is restricted by God until that which restricts is taken out of the way. He can still operate through his minions but his power is restricted.

If you had any conception of Satan's immense power you would recognise that if he had not been bound the Gospel could not have flourished.

If you had any concept of all of the verses that speak to Satan's ability to hinder, sift, devour, influence etc. that have been given on this thread you would realize that he is not BOUND....hindered yes...BOUND NO....and my statement stands....you need to lay off the koolaid and come to the truth pal!

 

[crossnote]

well satanas literally means adversary so it could be so. But why do you think Paul was able to thwart Satan? BECAUSE SATAN WAS BOUND. If he had not been bound Paul would have been unable to take a step. Have you any idea of the immense power of Satan? No, I don't think you have. You think he is a pussy cat.

Where did it say that Paul thwarted satan?
I think he is a pussy cat? Where in this world are you coming from?

 

[Brother_J_BELGIUM]

If Satan is bound now, then why is there still so much evil in this world? He is definitely not bound but limited in power. If he gets thrown in the pit and he will be bound it means that he wasn't before all that (the tribulation period).

 

[valiant]

He's limited but not presently bound,

sorry but that is just playing with words. If he is limited he is bound. And its only because he is bound that he will need to be released from the Abyss (Rev 9.11; 20.1-3) which occurs towards the end of this age. . It is only when he is released that he will be unlimited and able to exert himself fully.

that happens when Christ returns as written.

But that is not what is written. Nowhere does it say that he will be bound when Christ returns. Christ's return is after he has been let loose. Then he will be finally defeated by the One who lives and reigns with His saints in Heaven.

He has power over the world because he is in the world by his spirit, as it is written the whole world lies in wickedness.
1 John 4:4Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Yes but he is limited as to what he can do even in the world. He rules by deceit not authority.

He is the prince, or god of this world who blinds and deceives by his spirit...
2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

true but again it is by deceit. Idolatry and Islam and Atheism are his three weapons of deceit.

The world worships him by doing his desire (his will) by doing the lusts of their father the Devil=sin

No they do not worship him. Most never give him a thought. They are deceived by him.

Revelation 13:3-4 "...........and all the world wondered after the beast.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: .....

But it was not direct worship. It was because he had deceived them by idolatry.

He deceives the whole world...
Revelation 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

But this was the pre-Christian world. Once he was cast out he lost much of his power to deceive. That is why the Gospel opened men's minds. Satan was bound by Jesus so that he could no longer deceive all men..

 

[dcontroversal]

LOL why do you think that we can resist the Devil? It is because he is bound. If he were not, none could resist his will.

I suggest you study the word bound because when he is BOUND he will not be able to do the things he does.........

 

[KennethC]

2 Corinthians 11:14

No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.


Apostle Paul said this well after the Lord had been crucified as he was warning others of the deception he still has over this world with his false ministers as well corrupting the gospel message to draw people away from the truth. Satan has not been bound yet as that takes place after the Lords return as Revelation 20 clearly says.

[h=1]Revelation 20:1-2[/h]20 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;

 

[Cassian]

InSpiritINTruth,

You have a very unrealistic understanding of the Christians standing in relation to both Christ and Satan. There is nothing in scripture that comes close to saying that a believer is not suseptable to satan or that one cannot fall.

Only those who are sealed of God's Spirit are given power over Satan, the rest of the world has already been deceived.

anyone and everyone as long as they are in this world can be deceived.

Matthew 12:29 speaks of those who have Christ dwelling in them, not the whole world.

It does not even address your point. He is in the middle of a discourse to prove that He is God. That He is not the devil as they thought Him to be. He then states of what He is doing then in casting out demons but also that He has come to defeat Satan. He will plunder Satan's house and take those captive by defeating death which is supported in other parts of scripture.

Mark 3:22-27 speaks of the same, only individuals who have Christ dwelling in them have been given power over the enemy, not the rest of the world.

You must have a different Bible since this is a repeat of Matthew.

Lk 10:17-19 Shows the same, by being given power by God over the enemy, this only applies to the Lords elect, not the world.

Now, this is addressing your point, but it still has nothing to do with the binding of Satan.

Jn 12:30-32 This just shows what I showed earlier, the Devil was cast out of heaven to earth

Christ is here proclaiming what He will accomplish. Hindsight for us, is that Christ's time was not yet come here, but soon will that He will be delievered up to be crucified and by that accomplishment Satan and his power will be overthrown.

Eph 4:8 This just shows how God's elect are freed from the power of the enemy and the bondage of sin, but not applied to the unbelieving world

First, the world was delievered from the power of death, thus sin. Christ did not redeem only those who might become believers. You are missing the whole concept of the fall of Adam, Christ's overcoming the fall to deliever this world back to God so that man and God could reinstitute a relationship for which man was created in the first place. You are bypassing the whole redemptive work accomplished by Christ for the world. II Cor 5:18-19, and Rom 3:24. Also texts such as I Cor 15:12-22 also states categorically what Christ accomplished by His death and resurrection.

Col 2:15 Again only applies to those who are Christ's, not to the whole world.

quite the contrary. It is specificaly addressing Christ's victory over Satan and His power of death and sin.

Zech 13:2 If you applied this to Christ crucified, being the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world, which does speak of the removal of sin and the unclean spirit. But listen to what Jesus said would happen after the evil spirit was removed....

Matthew 12:43-45
43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.
This proves many would fall back and be overcome by Satan, so this also proves only God's elect have been given power over the enemy, but not those who are of the world.

You are contradicting yourself. Also, the binding of Satan has nothing to do with Satan not being able to operate in this world. He now knows he has been defeated. He lost the absolute power he possessed before Christ came and defeated him.
And it is primarily the Christian that he works against. Unfortunately many have fallen, scripture describes several examples, and in the last days, many will lose faith. II Tim 3:3-5 is just one of many that make such a statement.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

And its only because he is bound that he will need to be released from the Abyss (Rev 9.11; 20.1-3) which occurs towards the end of this age. . It is only when he is released that he will be unlimited and able to exert himself fully.

But that is not what is written. Nowhere does it say that he will be bound when Christ returns. Christ's return is after he has been let loose. Then he will be finally defeated by the One who lives and reigns with His saints in Heaven.

Ah, I see where is your error is now, you believe Satan has already been bound for the thousand years. And if that is what you truly believe then you have been deceived as well. Christ must return first BEFORE Satan is bound for the thousand years, read Rev chapter 19. LOL

 

[blondieindahouse]

Ah, I see where is your error is now, you believe Satan has already been bound for the thousand years. And if that is what you truly believe then you have been deceived as well. Christ must return first BEFORE Satan is bound for the thousand years, read Rev chapter 19. LOL

Full Preterists or any preterist for that matter layer here and lap over there to come up with a special kind of heresy.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

First, the world was delievered from the power of death, thus sin. Christ did not redeem only those who might become believers. You are missing the whole concept of the fall of Adam, Christ's overcoming the fall to deliever this world back to God so that man and God could reinstitute a relationship for which man was created in the first place.

You sound like a Universalist. The whole world lieth in wickedness as written. So no, not all the world has been delivered from the power of sin and death as you said, that is utter nonsense. Turn on the news and see if the whole world has been delivered from the power of sin and death. This idea that people believe Satan is presently bound and powerless is ridiculous and just goes to show how great the deception truly is.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Full Preterists or any preterist for that matter layer here and lap over there to come up with a special kind of heresy.

Well I've seen futurists do the same with some parts of prophecy that are already fulfilled trying to push them future forward, while full Preterists want to push it all backward. LOL

The ones who truly understand by the Spirit will know what has happened already, what is currently happening, and what is yet to happen.

Revelation 1:19 "Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

 

[passing_through]

Revelation 12:7-12 seems to indicate that Satan is bound in heaven until he is cast out for the tribulation. Just as the holy spirit transcends the earth, I believe its counterpart does likewise, but neither Christ or Satan are here de facto right now. The tribulation begins when Satan is cast to earth, and that cannot happen if he's already here? jmo

Not the Bible. I am amazed at all the fabrication of belief's, I am sorry for y'all.

 

[Bowman]

11COR.4:1-2-3-4.
Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;

But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the Word of God
deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight
of God.

But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

In whom the 'god of this world has blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the Light of the
glorious gospel of Christ, Who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

11COR.2:11.
Lest satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.

11COR. 11:14.
And no marvel; for satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

every house has a leader, and it is clear that satan was and is the leader of the household of darkness....

E:H.6:11.
Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

None of these verses describes Satan as being unbound at the present time.

If you think that they do, then please provide your exegesis for your position...

 

[Bowman]

Like dcon said, he ain't bound, he's roaming. He will be bound in the Millenium a thousand years, after the thousand years are over he will be released for a time to deceive the nations once more.

No.

Satan is bound right now.

Only his demons are roaming...

 

[Bowman]

Very true for he was bound whilst Jesus walked this earth. Matt 12.28-29. I would prefer to believe Jesus' view rather than the clever imaginations of chat members.

If Scripture appears to conflict with this we are misinterpreting Scripture.

Agreed....

 

[Bowman]

No, like I said before he was cast out of heaven to earth as prophesied. Here's the prophecy of the Prince of this worlds coming and his spirit (spirit of antichrist) coming as confirmed by Jesus and the apostles.

There seems to be a huge error going around about when Satan, the Prince that was forecast to come. As was also prophesied in Daniel, and when antichrist spirit was to come, and when the abomination that causes desolation (destruction of temple and holy city) was to be fulfilled.

Here is where the Prince was forecast to come in Daniel 9:26 “And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.”

From where does he come...?