Is the Devil bound right now...?

[Bowman]

Later in Rev.12, we are shown the devil once he is cast down to this earth, goes after the symbolic 'woman' of that chapter, i.e., those who keep God's commandments and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev 12:15
15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
KJV

That flood out of the serpent's MOUTH is that same symbolic working in the Rev.9 chapter with what comes out of the mouths of the locusts. They represent lies of deception.

You forgot the preceding verse, Rev 12.14, which informs the reader that Satan is bound for a specific time period, as thus...

And two wings of the great eagle were given to the woman, that she might fly into the wilderness, to her place, where she is nourished there a time, and times, and half a time, away from the serpent's face.


Clearly, the woman (i.e. mankind), is provided a period of time (i.e. the 1K years) in which to be AWAY from the presence of Satan.....and the only way that can happen is if Satan IS BOUND!

Too bad that you cannot go back and change the way that you voted in this poll...

 

[prove-all]

So you're Pre-trib?

sorry no that verse was not directed at you,
but others not able to understand some basic bible language,
like what a 1000 years mean, this verse comes to mind..

He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know
the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

so no I do not believe in a rapture before Christ comes back,
to take over His rightfull kingdom on earth .

-now maybe if we are lucky

Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape
all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.



“Thou shalt also take thereof a few in number, and bind them in thy skirts”

 

[DP]

You forgot the preceding verse, Rev 12.14, which informs the reader that Satan is bound for a specific time period, as thus...

And two wings of the great eagle were given to the woman, that she might fly into the wilderness, to her place, where she is nourished there a time, and times, and half a time, away from the serpent's face.


Clearly, the woman (i.e. mankind), is provided a period of time (i.e. the 1K years) in which to be AWAY from the presence of Satan.....and the only way that can happen is if Satan IS BOUND!

Too bad that you cannot go back and change the way that you voted in this poll...

The serpent is only a symbolic reference to Satan, just as the waters as a flood is a symbolic reference for the lies that come out his mouth. So is that idea of flying into the wilderness. It's simply about God's protection over His saints during that half of Daniel's "one week".

 

[wolfwint]

It may be, that it is difficult to say what this beasts in Rev.9 are. But concern to the Order which they got in Vers 4-6 you cant interpret it in a spritual ore symbolic way. Where ordinary men can handle is this way? And why this men came out of the abyss? And Apollyon is there king?. This is a fact which you cant deny. And who says that Joel and revelation are speaking from the same, it can be, but it must not be. Is this not speculation? I suppose we all must see than we can not understand everything what is written in Rev.

 

[wolfwint]

No, also because he is the king of the angels in the Abyss, released with them towards the end of this age, when the Restrainer restrains him no more (Rev 17.8; 20.1-3; 2 Thess 2.7)

Sorry, but rev 17,8 has nothing to do with Apollyon and also nothing to do with Satan. Also you did not answer when in Historie those monsters did what Rev.9,4-6 says.

 

[Bowman]

The serpent is only a symbolic reference to Satan, just as the waters as a flood is a symbolic reference for the lies that come out his mouth. So is that idea of flying into the wilderness. It's simply about God's protection over His saints during that half of Daniel's "one week".

This passage informs the reader, yet again, that Satan is bound for a period of time....just like Rev 20.

This passage, and others like it, utterly destroys the idea that Revelation is linear.

 

[Bowman]

It may be, that it is difficult to say what this beasts in Rev.9 are. But concern to the Order which they got in Vers 4-6 you cant interpret it in a spritual ore symbolic way. Where ordinary men can handle is this way? And why this men came out of the abyss? And Apollyon is there king?. This is a fact which you cant deny. And who says that Joel and revelation are speaking from the same, it can be, but it must not be. Is this not speculation? I suppose we all must see than we can not understand everything what is written in Rev.

The horses of Rev 9 are demons.

The riders of rev 9 are people.

 

[wolfwint]

this maby your interpretation, but not what the text says

 

[wolfwint]

I quoted directly from the Lexicons.

Deal with it...

which lexicons?

 

[wolfwint]

Revelation repeats its material over and over again, in various ways....like chords in music.

Jesus is referred to as 'Messenger' in other parts of scripture....most notably in the OT, as Malek Yahweh, and even in the NT....thus, why are you surprised when He is referred to as 'Messenger' (NOT angel!) in Rev 20?

Jesus is referred to by over 30+ names and epithets in the Book of Revelation, alone....and yet, you people reject that 'Messenger' refers to Jesus in Rev 20...why?!

Only God, Himself, Jesus Christ, has the power to cast Satan from Heaven....and then cast Satan into the abyss....but....you people would rather rob God of His power and give it to one of His creations....so pathetic of you...

this is no answer about the key question!

 

[wolfwint]

Revelation repeats its material over and over again, in various ways....like chords in music.

Jesus is referred to as 'Messenger' in other parts of scripture....most notably in the OT, as Malek Yahweh, and even in the NT....thus, why are you surprised when He is referred to as 'Messenger' (NOT angel!) in Rev 20?

Jesus is referred to by over 30+ names and epithets in the Book of Revelation, alone....and yet, you people reject that 'Messenger' refers to Jesus in Rev 20...why?!

Only God, Himself, Jesus Christ, has the power to cast Satan from Heaven....and then cast Satan into the abyss....but....you people would rather rob God of His power and give it to one of His creations....so pathetic of you...

Dear Bowman, i just follow the scripture, with the knowledge not to know everything. You cant take Rev 9, 1-11 and intetpret it just in a spirituell and symbolic way.

 

[valiant]

Sorry, but rev 17,8 has nothing to do with Apollyon and also nothing to do with Satan. Also you did not answer when in Historie those monsters did what Rev.9,4-6 says.

LOL so the beast who arises from the Abyss has nothing to do with Satan or Apollyon (who was king of the Abyss)? Pull the other one.

Actually I did answer your question. Look back

 

[Bowman]

which lexicons?

Start with the easiest...Strongs.

 

[Bowman]

Dear Bowman, i just follow the scripture, with the knowledge not to know everything. You cant take Rev 9, 1-11 and intetpret it just in a spirituell and symbolic way.

Even the authors of the Koran copied the demonic description(s) contained in Rev 9 into their opus and applied it to their Jinn.

 

[DP]

It may be, that it is difficult to say what this beasts in Rev.9 are. But concern to the Order which they got in Vers 4-6 you cant interpret it in a spritual ore symbolic way. Where ordinary men can handle is this way? And why this men came out of the abyss? And Apollyon is there king?. This is a fact which you cant deny. And who says that Joel and revelation are speaking from the same, it can be, but it must not be. Is this not speculation? I suppose we all must see than we can not understand everything what is written in Rev.

Before you go judging the matter, why don't you do a study in the Book of Joel? Joel 2 forward especially contains end time prophecy.

 

[wolfwint]

Start with the easiest...Strongs.

well, i used youngs dictonary. i found only 2 vers in which demons/devils are used as destroyer/spoiler. one in deuteromy 32 and one in psalm 106. Both times it was used in plural. Satan is singular. It seems there are many devils exist, but only one Satan. That Satan is also called as Devil is no proof that Apollyon is Satan. It may be that Apollyon is the beast in Rev 17. , but the beast in Rev 17.8 is not Satan.

 

[DP]

This passage informs the reader, yet again, that Satan is bound for a period of time....just like Rev 20.

This passage, and others like it, utterly destroys the idea that Revelation is linear.

No it doesn't.

From Rev.12:9 forward Satan and his angels are shown LOOSED upon the earth, and going after the saints specifically! That is pointing to great tribulation timing.

 

[DP]

well, i used youngs dictonary. i found only 2 vers in which demons/devils are used as destroyer/spoiler. one in deuteromy 32 and one in psalm 106. Both times it was used in plural. Satan is singular. It seems there are many devils exist, but only one Satan. That Satan is also called as Devil is no proof that Apollyon is Satan. It may be that Apollyon is the beast in Rev 17. , but the beast in Rev 17.8 is not Satan.

Well, yes there is a bit more evidence in that name Apollyon as pointing directly to Satan.

Ex 12:23
23 For the LORD will pass through to smite the Egyptians; and when he seeth the blood upon the lintel, and on the two side posts, the LORD will pass over the door, and will not suffer the destroyer to come in unto your houses to smite you.
KJV

Rev 9:11
11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon
KJV

Abaddon is a word from the Hebrew that means a destroying angel.

Apollyon is Greek for 'destroyer'.

The fact that both of those are in capital letters as pronoun names, it is even more emphatic that the Destroyer is directly referring to Satan. Even more with Greek Apollyon, because it comes from a Greek word that means to perish, or perdition, which is yet another pointer to Satan since only he and his angels so far have already been judged and sentenced to perish in the future lake of fire.

 

[Bowman]

well, i used youngs dictonary. i found only 2 vers in which demons/devils are used as destroyer/spoiler. one in deuteromy 32 and one in psalm 106. Both times it was used in plural. Satan is singular. It seems there are many devils exist, but only one Satan.

Demons are often referred to as devils.

That Satan is also called as Devil is no proof that Apollyon is Satan.

The definition itself says Satan.

It may be that Apollyon is the beast in Rev 17. , but the beast in Rev 17.8 is not Satan.

The beast rising out of the abyss in Rev 17 is most certainly Satan.

 

[Bowman]

No it doesn't.

From Rev.12:9 forward Satan and his angels are shown LOOSED upon the earth, and going after the saints specifically! That is pointing to great tribulation timing.

Not quite.

Rev 12.11 tells us that Satan was subdued by the blood of Jesus....which means that Satan was bound at The Cross.