Is the Devil bound right now...?

[49]

Not even close. Many of us believe what the Bible actually says, and a few believe something else. Look at the Poll results at the top.

My belief is what the Bible actually says as well, and my vote months ago in the poll at the top was for the belief that Satan is not bound. My last post was meant to relay the fact that the same scriptures are being used over and over with neither side gaining any ground it seems. Just my opinion. It is like arguing with a brick wall.

 

[Ahwatukee]

My belief is what the Bible actually says as well, and my vote months ago in the poll at the top was for the belief that Satan is not bound. My last post was meant to relay the fact that the same scriptures are being used over and over with neither side gaining any ground it seems. Just my opinion. It is like arguing with a brick wall.

Good evening 49,

This only happens because the preterist/amil's ignore the literal meaning of scripture and lay imagery/allegory over those end-time events. I have always maintained that, it is anything short of impossible to contend for the truth of scripture with them for this very reason. While Scripture says a thousand years, six times, the preterist/Amil interprets it as an unknown amount of time, when scripture states that Satan is bound in the Abyss, then they apply a passive binding in place of a literal binding under the earth, When scripture demonstrates that this binding takes place after the return of the Lord to end the age, they place it at the destruction of the temple in 70 AD with Satan still wandering around free. These beliefs and teachings are just one of many false teachings in fulfillment of the prophecy which says,

"the days are coming when people will not put up with sound doctrine, but to suit their own desires they will gather around them a great number of teachers (videos, websites, seminars, books, etc.) to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will abandon the truth and turn aside to myths."

And that is exactly what is and has been happening. I'm looking forward to when the truth is revealed, which coming very quickly.

 

[Bowman]

Good evening 49,

This only happens because the preterist/amil's ignore the literal meaning of scripture and lay imagery/allegory over those end-time events. I have always maintained that, it is anything short of impossible to contend for the truth of scripture with them for this very reason. While Scripture says a thousand years, six times, the preterist/Amil interprets it as an unknown amount of time, when scripture states that Satan is bound in the Abyss, then they apply a passive binding in place of a literal binding under the earth, When scripture demonstrates that this binding takes place after the return of the Lord to end the age, they place it at the destruction of the temple in 70 AD with Satan still wandering around free. These beliefs and teachings are just one of many false teachings in fulfillment of the prophecy which says,

"the days are coming when people will not put up with sound doctrine, but to suit their own desires they will gather around them a great number of teachers (videos, websites, seminars, books, etc.) to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will abandon the truth and turn aside to myths."

And that is exactly what is and has been happening. I'm looking forward to when the truth is revealed, which coming very quickly.

Keep right on giving Satan power that he does not have right now...and keep right on diminishing God's power.

Satan just loves you!

 

[Cassian]

My belief is what the Bible actually says as well, and my vote months ago in the poll at the top was for the belief that Satan is not bound. My last post was meant to relay the fact that the same scriptures are being used over and over with neither side gaining any ground it seems. Just my opinion. It is like arguing with a brick wall.

The poll shows that almost 85% of the voters have no idea what Christ accomplished. Scripture is quite clear on how and who bound Satan, and He is presently bound. The OP started out correct, but the presenter does not understand the meaning either.
The binding of Satan has absolutely nothing to do with his activity in this world. It has absolutely nothing to do with some future earthly reign of Christ.

Christ did not eradicate sin in this present life, He did not eradicate Satan. What He did do was defeat death, the power of Satan by which Satan controlled this world. His resurrection defeated Satan's power and thus bound Satan as the Gospels attest in several places.

 

[valiant]

Good evening 49,

This only happens because the preterist/amil's ignore the literal meaning of scripture and lay imagery/allegory over those end-time events. I have always maintained that, it is anything short of impossible to contend for the truth of scripture with them for this very reason. While Scripture says a thousand years, six times, the preterist/Amil interprets it as an unknown amount of time, when scripture states that Satan is bound in the Abyss, then they apply a passive binding in place of a literal binding under the earth, When scripture demonstrates that this binding takes place after the return of the Lord to end the age, they place it at the destruction of the temple in 70 AD with Satan still wandering around free. These beliefs and teachings are just one of many false teachings in fulfillment of the prophecy which says,

"the days are coming when people will not put up with sound doctrine, but to suit their own desires they will gather around them a great number of teachers (videos, websites, seminars, books, etc.) to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will abandon the truth and turn aside to myths."

And that is exactly what is and has been happening. I'm looking forward to when the truth is revealed, which coming very quickly.

lol then your itching ears will learn the truth

 

[ukok102nak]

Revelation: 2. 24. But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.
~:» WHO WILL PUT UPON US
NONE OTHER BURDEN . . . ...

:dontknow: but it is up to us to choice whether we do it with our own onscience or by the words
that is above all from which (what) is written
:read:
1 Timothy 3:9
keeping the sod haemunah (the mystery of the faith) with a matzpun tahor (clean conscience, 1:5,19).

1 Timothy: 3. 9. Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.


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God bless us all always

 

[ukok102nak]

Revelation: 2. 24. But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira,
as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan,
as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.
~:» AND IF IT IS BURDEN TO THOSE
WHO PUT UPON THEMSELVES
TO LOOK FROM THE MIRROR HANGING ON THE WALL
BUT NEVER IN THE CRYSTAL CLEAR WATER . ...
THEN WERE RIGHT AFTER ALL
AND ITS A GOOD THING FOR US THAT SATAN IS BOUND RIGHTNOW

:rofl: BECAUSE MOST OF THEM WILL PUT UPON US
NONE OTHER BURDEN . . . ... :whisle:
see how life is much easier now without any much burden to take . . . ....
that is what most of those people thoughts
within this reality of ours ``easy come easy go ``


:dontknow: if it is up to us to choice
whether we do it with our own conscience
or by the words that is above all from
which (what) is written
:read:
1 Timothy 3:9
keeping the sod haemunah (the mystery of the faith) with a matzpun tahor (clean conscience, 1:5,19).

1 Timothy: 3. 9. Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.


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God bless us all always

 

[Bowman]

The poll shows that almost 85% of the voters have no idea what Christ accomplished. Scripture is quite clear on how and who bound Satan, and He is presently bound. The OP started out correct, but the presenter does not understand the meaning either.
The binding of Satan has absolutely nothing to do with his activity in this world. It has absolutely nothing to do with some future earthly reign of Christ.

Christ did not eradicate sin in this present life, He did not eradicate Satan. What He did do was defeat death, the power of Satan by which Satan controlled this world. His resurrection defeated Satan's power and thus bound Satan as the Gospels attest in several places.

No.

His death bound Satan.

Satan is not defeated until the Second Resurrection.

 

[49]

No.

His death bound Satan.

Satan is not defeated until the Second Resurrection.

Can't even find common ground among yourselves. Wow.

 

[VCO]

My belief is what the Bible actually says as well, and my vote months ago in the poll at the top was for the belief that Satan is not bound. My last post was meant to relay the fact that the same scriptures are being used over and over with neither side gaining any ground it seems. Just my opinion. It is like arguing with a brick wall.

Do you not know that most of us do not contend here to win those in error over to our point of view, but rather to show the younger Christians, who just read these posts, that our beliefs are totally supported by Scripture? Therefore we are aiding in getting them grounded in the Word lest they become tossed to and fro by every wind of Doctrine. Look at these FACTS on the the number of Replies compared to the number of Views. I and many others post just to get the readers grounded in the Word.

• Replies: 1,788
• Views: 15,697

 

[Bowman]

Can't even find common ground among yourselves. Wow.

The common ground is that we worship Jesus Christ as our God and Savior.

 

[ukok102nak]

Revelation: 2. 24. But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira,
as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan,
as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.
~:» AND IF IT IS BURDEN TO THOSE
WHO PUT UPON THEMSELVES
TO LOOK FROM THE MIRROR HANGING ON THE WALL
BUT NEVER IN THE CRYSTAL CLEAR WATER . ...
THEN WERE RIGHT AFTER ALL THAT NON COULD SEE EVEN US THAT WOULD TELL
WHAT IS COMING BEHIND THE BACK DOOR . . . . . .

AND ITS A GOOD THING FOR US THAT SATAN IS BOUND RIGHTNOW
but that is according to those people
:rofl: BECAUSE MOST OF THEM WILL PUT UPON US
NONE OTHER BURDEN . . . ...
see how life is much easier now without any much burden to take . . . ....
that is what most of those people thoughts
within this reality of ours ``easy come easy go ``


:dontknow: if it is up to us to choice
whether we do it with our own conscience
or by the words that is above all from
which (what) is written
:read:
1 Timothy 3:9
keeping the sod haemunah (the mystery of the faith) with a matzpun tahor (clean conscience, 1:5,19).

1 Timothy: 3. 9. Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.


:ty:



God bless us all always

 

[49]

Do you not know that most of us do not contend here to win those in error over to our point of view, but rather to show the younger Christians, who just read these posts, that our beliefs are totally supported by Scripture? Therefore we are aiding in getting them grounded in the Word lest they become tossed to and fro by every wind of Doctrine. Look at these FACTS on the the number of Replies compared to the number of Views. I and many others post just to get the readers grounded in the Word.

• Replies: 1,788
• Views: 15,697

Absolutely understand and appreciate this fact. Just seems to me that the same scriptures are being used, the same arguments(debates)/rebuttals posted over and over again. Thank you for your effort to ground in the Word. Not trying to be arsey here at all.

 

[49]

The common ground is that we worship Jesus Christ as our God and Savior.

Amen sir. Personal beliefs aside, my post was uncalled for.

 

[valiant]

The poll shows that almost 85% of the voters have no idea what Christ accomplished. Scripture is quite clear on how and who bound Satan, and He is presently bound. The OP started out correct, but the presenter does not understand the meaning either.
The binding of Satan has absolutely nothing to do with his activity in this world. It has absolutely nothing to do with some future earthly reign of Christ.

Christ did not eradicate sin in this present life, He did not eradicate Satan. What He did do was defeat death, the power of Satan by which Satan controlled this world. His resurrection defeated Satan's power and thus bound Satan as the Gospels attest in several places.

Jesus Himself made clear that it was because he had bound Satan that He and His Apostles were able to cast out evil spirits (Matt 12.28-29). But if restriction had not been placed on Satan by him being 'bound', the Gospel would not have progressed. All would have been blinded (see 2 Cor 4.4).

What many Christians fail to realise is that Satan is so powerful that without restriction the world would have no hope. To a more limited extent Satan had been restricted in the time of Job. And when that restriction was relaxed in relation to Job devastating things resulted. This was a simple indication of what would happen if Satan was 'free'.

He is of course able to operate through his minions (Eph 6.10 ff) and through men walking about on his behalf seeking whom they may devour, but his most important aides were imprisoned at the cross and resurrection (Col 2.15) which facilitated the spread of the Gospel.

The picture of Satan 'chained in the Abyss' is exactly that, a picture illustrating what God has done (similar to that of God being 'on a throne' in Heaven). The Abyss is the spiritual counterpart of Heaven. One day when that restriction is released and the restraining angel removed (2 Thess 2), we will have the end time convulsions.

Satan is of course also limited by the fact that he is not omnipresent even when unrestricted. That is another reason why he has to work through minions. But he is the most powerful of spiritual beings so that even Michael the archangel could not take him on directly (Jude 9).

 

[wolfwint]

The poll shows that almost 85% of the voters have no idea what Christ accomplished. Scripture is quite clear on how and who bound Satan, and He is presently bound. The OP started out correct, but the presenter does not understand the meaning either.
The binding of Satan has absolutely nothing to do with his activity in this world. It has absolutely nothing to do with some future earthly reign of Christ.

Christ did not eradicate sin in this present life, He did not eradicate Satan. What He did do was defeat death, the power of Satan by which Satan controlled this world. His resurrection defeated Satan's power and thus bound Satan as the Gospels attest in several places.

Well. as it some pointet out. It is the kind of exegetic and hermeneutic tools which lead to different conclusions. Yours is that Satan is bound. Others is that Satan is not bound yet. Non of us can influence that. But we can accept that special the doctrine of eschatologie is depend on which hermeneutic tools we are using. And everybody of us should be free to go along with his meaning. Anyway it will comes as the Lord reveals it. independ we understand it and see it ore not.
Important is, as Bowman says that we worship Jesus Christ as our God and Savior. And I want add: and spread the Gospel so long we have the time and opportunity.

 

[Cassian]

valiant,

Jesus Himself made clear that it was because he had bound Satan that He and His Apostles were able to cast out evil spirits (Matt 12.28-29). But if restriction had not been placed on Satan by him being 'bound', the Gospel would not have progressed. All would have been blinded (see 2 Cor 4.4).
What many Christians fail to realise is that Satan is so powerful that without restriction the world would have no hope. To a more limited extent Satan had been restricted in the time of Job. And when that restriction was relaxed in relation to Job devastating things resulted. This was a simple indication of what would happen if Satan was 'free'.
He is of course able to operate through his minions (Eph 6.10 ff) and through men walking about on his behalf seeking whom they may devour, but his most important aides were imprisoned at the cross and resurrection (Col 2.15) which facilitated the spread of the Gospel.
The picture of Satan 'chained in the Abyss' is exactly that, a picture illustrating what God has done (similar to that of God being 'on a throne' in Heaven). The Abyss is the spiritual counterpart of Heaven. One day when that restriction is released and the restraining angel removed (2 Thess 2), we will have the end time convulsions.
Satan is of course also limited by the fact that he is not omnipresent even when unrestricted. That is another reason why he has to work through minions. But he is the most powerful of spiritual beings so that even Michael the archangel could not take him on directly (Jude 9).

The binding of Satan has nothing to do with his activity in this world. Satan is as free today to operate in this world as any time.
Satan was given dominion over this world. He ruled this world by death and sin. Heb 2:14, I John 3:8.
Christ bound Satan by permitting himself to be taken captive by death so that in death He could destroy death. Death is destroyed by His resurrection. Death and sin is no longer an enevitable consequence of this world. That is how or why he is limited. He lost his absolute power of death and sin.

The texts that show Christ bound Satan are: Matt 12:29, Mk 3:22-27, Acts 2:27 – Ps 16:8-11, Jn 12:30-32 , Eph 4:8-9, Col 2:13-15, Isaiah 49:24, Rev 1:18, Rev 20:3. Include the texts that show Christ descended into Hades to take captive the captives held there by Satan through death. Psalm 68:18, Ephesians 4:8, Hosea 13:14, 1 Peter 3:18-20.

 

[valiant]

valiant,

The binding of Satan has nothing to do with his activity in this world. Satan is as free today to operate in this world as any time.

Thank God I don't live in your world. I prefer to be in one where Satan is bound. And thank God Jesus bound him in such a way that his activities in this world were curtailed (Matt 12.28-29). If Satan were really free to operate as he wanted the world would not be as it is.

Satan was given dominion over this world.

Satan has NEVER been given dominion over this world, although as a liar he likes to claim that he has. He's got you deceived lol.

He ruled this world by death and sin. Heb 2:14, I John 3:8.

Nonsense. He has the power of death to some extent but he has no right or ability to rule. And that power he exercises by making men sin and disbelieve.

Christ bound Satan by permitting himself to be taken captive by death so that in death He could destroy death.

You may not have noticed, ignoring context, that Christ bound Satan long before His death (Matt 2.28-29). Nor was Christ taken captive by death. 'I lay down my life of Myself. I am able to lay it down, and I am able to take it up again.' He had control all the time. But certainly He destroyed the power of death for all who truly believe in Him.

Death is destroyed by His resurrection.

Strange then that men still die, and some will die eternally.

Death and sin is no longer an enevitable consequence of this world.

well sin is. There is none who does good, no not one'. Death is no longer inevitable for true believers.

That is how or why he is limited. He lost his absolute power of death and sin.

That is certainly not what Matt 12.28-29 says. Although he certainly lost the power of death as well.

The texts that show Christ bound Satan are: Matt 12:29, Mk 3:22-27, Acts 2:27 – Ps 16:8-11, Jn 12:30-32 , Eph 4:8-9, Col 2:13-15, Isaiah 49:24, Rev 1:18, Rev 20:3.

Sooooo? Expound them.

Include the texts that show Christ descended into Hades to take captive the captives held there by Satan through death. Psalm 68:18, Ephesians 4:8, Hosea 13:14, 1 Peter 3:18-20.

Christ did not descend into Hades to release anyone. He did not need to. You are simply misinterpreting the verses.

 

[Cassian]

Valiant,

Thank God I don't live in your world. I prefer to be in one where Satan is bound. And thank God Jesus bound him in such a way that his activities in this world were curtailed (Matt 12.28-29). If Satan were really free to operate as he wanted the world would not be as it is.

Whether you like it or not you live in the same world. Matt 12:28-29 says nothing about restricting the activity of Satan.

Satan has NEVER been given dominion over this world, although as a liar he likes to claim that he has. He's got you deceived lol.

I think you are deceived. Satan had dominion over this world through the power of death and sin. The power has been eliminated by Christ's victory over death and sin.
Your theology seems to lack the power of Christ and what He accomplished for God's creation. II Cor 5:18-19. Heb 2:14 and I John 3:8.

Nonsense. He has the power of death to some extent but he has no right or ability to rule. And that power he exercises by making men sin and disbelieve.

He has no power over death any longer. Christ did not make man immortal immediately upon arising from the dead. Man will die once, the condemnation of death through Adam, for the sole purpose of this body of sin to die, thus sin. Christ will raise all men immortal asnd incorptible in the last day, I Cor 15:52-54.

Nor was Christ taken captive by death. 'I lay down my life of Myself. I am able to lay it down, and I am able to take it up again.' He had control all the time. But certainly He destroyed the power of death for all who truly believe in Him.

Why do you thinhk it was necessary for Him to die our death? Believing has nothing to do with death. Unbelievers die asnd will be raised immortal and incorruptible, the world itself has been renewed by His blood. Col 1:15-20.

well sin is. There is none who does good, no not one'. Death is no longer inevitable for true believers.

Sin is not enevitable. Never was actually since sin has always been a choice. But sin had no effect upon us since we were already condemned to death. Death is no longer enevitable to the entire universe. It has nothing to do with believers. You are confusing physical death with spiritual death.

That is certainly not what Matt 12.28-29 says. Although he certainly lost the power of death as well.

It is exactly what Matt 12:28-29 states.

Christ did not descend into Hades to release anyone. He did not need to. You are simply misinterpreting the verses.

nice assertion without the evidence means very little. The texts are all quite obvious if one actually understands the battle that has been going on since the Garden of Eden between God and Satan.

You have a lot of negative assertions with no evidence to support them.

 

[ukok102nak]

and it feels like heaven if that time comes for satan to be bound . ...

:smoke: NOT EVERYONE IS SAID TO BE THE SAME LIKE THE THINGS THAT ARE TOLD UNTO OUR ANCESTORS AND
TO THOSE WHO ARE WRITTEN
IN THIS VERSE
:read:
Luke 18:11
"The Perush was standing by himself, davening, and his tefillah went like this: `Adonoi, Modeh Ani that I am not like other men, swindlers, resha'im, mena'afim (adulterers), or even as this moches (tax-collector).
12*`I undergo a tzom (fast) twice during the week, I give the ma'aser (tithe) of everything as much as I get.' [Yeshayah 58:3, Malachi 3:8]
13*"But the moches (tax-collector) stood at a distance and was not willing even to lift up his eynayim to Shomayim but was beating his chest, saying, `Adonoi, rachem na al choteh kamoni! (L-rd, have mercy on a sinner like me!)' [Yeshayah 66:2; Yirmeyah 31:19]

:rofl: and we've heard so much about those who live in their own reality where in there surroundings where full of evil things such as those who dont believe in god . ...
and still insisting unto themselves that no satan is not dwelling unto their places . ...

funny how we remember the little red riding hood where the wolf cloak itself to devour their soul este we mean the grandmother and the little children such as
the little red riding hood in that story :happy:

God bless us all always

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