Is the Hebrew Roots Movement a cult?

[JGIG]

A man who can speak from scripture!! Wonderful!! Usually, when copy and paste scripture is given, we don't have room for all that applies, you have given people who don't read bible a good sample.

You are making my point. Circumcision is important but only as an expression of faith, to come after faith. The physical part of circumcision is not what is important, it is the spiritual circumcision. We now have the Holy Spirit to guide us in circumcision after Christ.

It is the same with all law. Those against the HRM say that the physical is what is important, and only the physical counts. If the physical is ever used it becomes sin, not anything to do with the spiritual. They are obsessed with the physical, so if anyone uses the physical in any way to explore the ways of God, they are up in arms. So they throw out anything and everything, even putting aside a day to give just to the Lord's care of us. Not all, but many say because Christ is our rest we deny Christ by actually resting as we do this.

If some in the HRM go too far with giving importance to the physical instead of giving importance to Christ, they also are going too far. God is spirit and truth, our churches have forgotten that. The HRM are bringing this back, by finding the spirit and truth of God. All those opposed are opposed only because they are blind to this, they can only see the physical of God, the rituals.

So much for observing Torah . . . for it is all about the flesh, RedTent. You spiritualize that which you wish to spiritualize, and 'observe' what you wish to observe; it's all a farce, and very complicated. So complicated that you cannot back up what you post with contextual Scripture, so you throw stuff up on the wall, hoping it will stick.

-JGIG

 

[RedTent]

From Wikipedia:

Hebrew Roots is a contemporary global spiritual movement / Awakening that advocates the return and adherence to the first century walk of faith and obedience to the Torah [SUP][1][/SUP] by Jesus (known as Yeshua HaMashiach, the Hebrew name for "Jesus the Messiah") by seeking a better understanding of the culture, history, and religio-political backdrop of that era which led to the core differences with both the Jewish, and later, the Christian communities.[SUP][2]
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Tell us again how the HRM is not about the Law . . .

But you say you believe that Jesus is God and that Jesus is the Living Torah . . . so that must mean that God is law.

Which is it, RedTent?

God is Law or God is not Law?

You cannot have it both ways.

Feasts are rituals.

Feasts are the Law.

Rituals, then, are also Law.

You say rituals are not Law.

So are rituals Law or aren't they?

Again, you cannot have it both ways.

Feast, Day, dietary, and hundreds of other laws ARE part of the subject - which is whether or not Christians are bound to Torah observance.

Are you saying that those are superficial things?

Are you calling the Law as God gave it 'superficial'?

We're basing what we teach based on the fulfillment of the Law, Who is Christ:

17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. (from Jn. 1)​

And if we are in Christ, we are worshipping in Spirit and Truth. And if we are in the Spirit, being led by the Spirit, we are not under Law:

18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. (from Gal. 5) -JGIG​

With the way you understand scripture, it is very hard to talk to you. "Torah" "law" for instance in your mind is something completely foreign to me. I cannot find the words for these things that would have the same meaning to both of us, and I find that when I try to explain what I see you come up with something from left field.

Torah to me, and to HRM that I know of, has the foundational principles the world is made of. I can't quite comprehend what that word means to you, but it seems to at least have within it the completely physical rituals.

I don't know what your "Jesus is the living Torah" means to you, I wouldn't explain Him that way.

Feasts, actually, are not just rituals, they were done as prophecy and explaining God's purpose for us. Four have happened, three are still to come. But to you the word feasts means rituals along with your entire picture of what they are.

I don't think there is any way we can communicate. You have a biblical language that is like a brick wall, you can't see over it to my language. I am able to glimpse yours, and what I see I feel is not part of biblical language. It is like rituals and law come between your mind and the mind of God, for God is spirit and truth. There is a connection between God and our world, but without spirit and truth all that is left is our world. I am unable to get through your worldly vision to speak to you of spirit and truth. You see only rituals and law in a worldly way. Does that explain to you why we aren't able to speak together at all?


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[JGIG]

Originally Posted by Hizikyah

One that ignores all those verses that clearly say he kept Yahweh's Law.

Acts 24:14, "14 But I confess this to you, that after the way which they call heresy--so I worship the Father of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets."


believing not observing....

shawmah

I believe Jesus should be followed.

Do you follow Him?

No! I just said I believe!...

Yet there are those who follow Jesus and don't believe.

What I see glaringly absent from your posts is the receiving of God's forgiveness, righteousness, and New Life in Christ.

That's what the Bible is talking about when it speaks of believing in Christ - it's believing in His Work and what that actually accomplished.

And what it accomplishes in us.


16 So from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view. Though we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer.

17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here! 18 All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: 19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. 20 We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God.

21 God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.​

Huge, HUGE implications about who we are in Christ in just that one passage. Not only do we follow Him, we are IN Him! One need only to read through the NT to see how many times 'in Christ', 'in Him', 'through Him', 'through Christ', etc. is used. HUGE.

This next passage is concerning Shaul, it states clearly.

Acts 21:24, "Take them, and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads. Then everyone will know that those things they were informed about you (forsaking the Law), were lies, and that you, yourself, walk orderly, and keep the Law."

New International Version
Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses, so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everyone will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law.


English Standard Version
take these men and purify yourself along with them and pay their expenses, so that they may shave their heads. Thus all will know that there is nothing in what they have been told about you, but that you yourself also live in observance of the law.

New American Standard Bible
take them and purify yourself along with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads; and all will know that there is nothing to the things which they have been told about you, but that you yourself also walk orderly, keeping the Law.

King James Bible
Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law.

Note that Paul did not say that about himself.

It was all about the leadership at Jerusalem egging Paul on about appearances and keeping peace with the Jewish believers there who were 'all zealous for the Law'.

Something that also strikes me about this passage (Acts 21) is how the elders at Jerusalem respond to Paul and his party when they tell of all the wonderful things God has been doing amongst the Gentiles (who have been receiving large doses of the Gospel of Grace according to Paul's other writings):

17 When we arrived at Jerusalem, the brothers and sisters received us warmly. 18 The next day Paul and the rest of us went to see James, and all the elders were present. 19 Paul greeted them and reported in detail what God had done among the Gentiles through his ministry.

20 When they heard this, they praised God. Then they said to Paul: “You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed, and all of them are zealous for the law."
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We can read through Paul's writings for those 'details', and they had nothing to do with Law, but with a vibrant, contagious, loving Body of Christ. Flawed and in need of correction, yes, which Paul did by building them up in who they were in Christ, not by putting the Law on them (the letters to the Corinthians are excellent examples of this).

And what did the elders of Jerusalem have to show for their converts?

They're all zealous for the Law. Jewish converts. What, exactly, is the big surprise there?

So were the Pharisees.

Christ did not come to make mankind into a bunch of Law keepers, but to give them New Life and restore what was lost in the Garden: Relationship with God, not based on Law, but on Life.


-JGIG

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[RedTent]

So much for observing Torah . . . for it is all about the flesh, RedTent. You spiritualize that which you wish to spiritualize, and 'observe' what you wish to observe; it's all a farce, and very complicated. So complicated that you cannot back up what you post with contextual Scripture, so you throw stuff up on the wall, hoping it will stick.

-JGIG

The first five books of the bible are about God, who is spirit and truth. It shows us the connections God has with our world, but it is still about the spirit and truth of God.

The definition of the word flesh in Strong's is: the sinful nature of human nature. Is that your meaning?

I usually do not copy and post the scripture I talk about, most Christians are familiar with bible and own one so they are able to check their bible to be sure that anything I say is scripture backed. Much of it would take pages of scripture to fully explain, copy and paste for you would not be appropriate. It is said in Acts that the Bereans were noteworthy because they checked all Paul said with scripture, and Paul didn't copy and paste the scripture. Do I need to copy and paste that for you, too? Surely not. It is in Acts 17:11 if you haven't read it for yourself.

 

[JGIG]

This translation may be terrible or may be great, I have never read it to say.

But are you suggesting that just because a translator translated not according to common practice (brought on by the Pharisees I have to ass) but rather translates true to the manuscript and true to the creator, actually using His name instead of hiding it they are cult and wrong?

Im asking, not stating.

Not trying to but in here, but my 2 cents on the subject can be read here:

Hebrew Roots Movement – Messin’ With the Word

-JGIG

 

[phil112]

Isayah 42:8, "I am Yahweh, ...............

hiz, what version of bible do you use, exactly? My KJV says the Lord, as the translation there, and it was translated from Yhovah.

 

[Linda70]

hiz, what version of bible do you use, exactly? My KJV says the Lord, as the translation there, and it was translated from Yhovah.

Isaiah 42:8 I am the LORD (Y@hovah yeh-ho-vaw'): that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

Strong's Hebrew Dictionary
3068. Y@hovah

from 1961; (the) self-Existent or Eternal; Jehovah, Jewish national name of God:--Jehovah, the Lord. Compare 3050, 3069.

 

[JGIG]

I am not saying anything here I just am asking your opinion on this verse:

Revelation 14:12, "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus."

1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law

The commandments referred to when entole is used?

The commandments of God after the Cross: Believe on the One He has sent and love one another (1 Jn 3:23).

When Scripture is referring to the Laws given to Israel at Sinai, it uses the Greek word, 'nomos'.

But keep posting what you're posting . . . post something enough times and folks will believe it, right?

-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

Is Romans 3:31 speaking of the "Mosaic" Law?

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

the word Law is: 3551. nomos
nomos: that which is assigned, hence usage, law
Original Word: νόμος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: nomos
Phonetic Spelling: (nom'-os)
Short Definition: a law, the Mosaic Law
Definition: usage, custom, law; in NT: of law in general, plur: of divine laws; of a force or influence impelling to action; of the Mosaic law; meton: of the books which contain the law, the Pentateuch, the Old Testament scriptures in general.

Malakyah 4:1-4,"For, behold, the day comes that will burn like an oven; and all the proud, yes, and all who do wickedly, will be stubble--the day that comes will burn them up, says Yahweh of hosts; and it will leave them neither root nor branch. But for you who reverence My Name, the light of righteousness will arise with healing in its wings; and you will go out, leaping like calves released from the stall. And you will tread down the wicked; for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I will do this, says Yahweh of hosts. Remember the Law of Mosheh My servant, which I commanded through him in Horeb for all Israyl, with the statutes and judgments."

Quote the rest of Romans 3, Hizikyah. It stands against what you are cherry-picking Romans 3 to try to prove. Paul is stating that we establish the proper use of the Law (1 Tim. 1:8-11).

We've been over this before . . . yet you continue to ignore context . . .

-JGIG

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You can find no post of mine saying people are to follow rituals.

I have never called anyone a liar. I have said what they say about God is not what scripture says and that is wrong. I could go through your posts and find many condemning people. Calling them liars, and saying they fib is very mild for you.

Which is it Red.

do we follow law? or do we not?

Can you make up your mind?

And some of them do follow ritual. Are they in error. or are they doing what God wants them to do? (Funny I never see you try to correct them, You just like what they say, So how is one to understand what you believe?

 

[JGIG]

With the way you understand scripture, it is very hard to talk to you.

If you mean because I actually use Scripture, yes, I can see how that would make what you're trying to say difficult.

"Torah" "law" for instance in your mind is something completely foreign to me.

That's because you are not actually reading the OT text to see what Torah/Law is.

I cannot find the words for these things that would have the same meaning to both of us, and I find that when I try to explain what I see you come up with something from left field.

No, dear, you're the one in left field.

Torah to me, and to HRM that I know of, has the foundational principles the world is made of.

That's Kabbalistic thought; you've been steeped in it and you don't even know it. A number of us tried and tried and tried to tell you in another thread that you started, but you refused to see it: http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/88768-new-look-galatians.html

I can't quite comprehend what that word means to you, but it seems to at least have within it the completely physical rituals.

That sentence made no sense.

I don't know what your "Jesus is the living Torah" means to you, I wouldn't explain Him that way.

But you have.

Feasts, actually, are not just rituals, they were done as prophecy and explaining God's purpose for us. Four have happened, three are still to come. But to you the word feasts means rituals along with your entire picture of what they are.

All the Feasts point to Christ and His Work; all were fulfilled. How do I know that? Christ said so in Matthew 5.

If you believe that the last three Feasts have yet to be fulfilled:

5. Trumpets
6. Atonement
7. Tabernacles

. . . then you believe that Christ has not yet come, that He has not done the Work of the Cross, and that His Spirit does not dwell within those who put their faith in Him.

Are there still events to play out historically? Yes. But the Law stands fulfilled in Christ NOW. He said so.

I don't think there is any way we can communicate. You have a biblical language that is like a brick wall, you can't see over it to my language.

Yes, it's called contextually quoting the BIBLE.

I am able to glimpse yours, and what I see I feel is not part of biblical language. It is like rituals and law come between your mind and the mind of God, for God is spirit and truth.

No, RedTent, from what you've posted, I'm way more familiar with the Law than you are. Rituals are part of the Law as God gave it. That's just the way it is. You are the one trying to separate them. Those jots and tittles can't be separated, however.

There is a connection between God and our world, but without spirit and truth all that is left is our world.

Yes there is, and because of the Kabbalistic teaching you have received (Bereans Online) you think it's Torah when it's really Christ.

You're camping in the shadows when you should be living in the Reality, Who is Christ!

I am unable to get through your worldly vision to speak to you of spirit and truth. You see only rituals and law in a worldly way. Does that explain to you why we aren't able to speak together at all?

Believe what you want, RedTent.

I'm content for God and the reader to judge between us.

-JGIG

 

[RedTent]

They're all zealous for the Law. Jewish converts. What, exactly, is the big surprise there?

So were the Pharisees.

Christ did not come to make mankind into a bunch of Law keepers, but to give them New Life and restore what was lost in the Garden: Relationship with God, not based on Law, but on Life. -JGIG

Have you checked with Jesus about all you say about the law? I don't Christ would agree with you with your attitude toward it.

The Pharisee attitude toward it was very like yours, it was all about the rituals, except you say it is all about not doing them and they said it was all about doing them. How is it you can base your life in Christ on not doing law? It is not what Christ looks at, one way or the other.
Act_21:20 When they heard it, they glorified God and said, "You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are who have believed, and they are all zealous for the law.

I don't think scripture would back your idea about those thousands who believed in both Christ and the law. Even plain law does not withhold Christ from us.




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[JGIG]

The first five books of the bible are about God, who is spirit and truth. It shows us the connections God has with our world, but it is still about the spirit and truth of God.

The definition of the word flesh in Strong's is: the sinful nature of human nature. Is that your meaning?

I usually do not copy and post the scripture I talk about, most Christians are familiar with bible and own one so they are able to check their bible to be sure that anything I say is scripture backed.

Cite your sources, RedTent. With links. You have proven yourself to be untrustworthy even with recalling what is posted on this very thread. I don't trust anything you post.

Much of it would take pages of scripture to fully explain, copy and paste for you would not be appropriate.

It is completely appropriate, and customary on a debate forum to make your points and then to back them up with evidence.

I don't think you really can back up what you believe with contextual Scripture. I think you'll end up posting something like the 126 page hack-job on the letter to the Galatians that you posted in your other thread: http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/88768-new-look-galatians.html

Can YOU defend what YOU believe using Scripture YOURSELF?

It is said in Acts that the Bereans were noteworthy because they checked all Paul said with scripture, and Paul didn't copy and paste the scripture. Do I need to copy and paste that for you, too? Surely not. It is in Acts 17:11 if you haven't read it for yourself.

Actually, the Bereans did not refer to the OT Scriptures to check ALL that Paul said, but to check something SPECIFIC that Paul was teaching.

What was that?

Can you tell us?

-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

Have you checked with Jesus about all you say about the law? I don't Christ would agree with you with your attitude toward it.

The Pharisee attitude toward it was very like yours, it was all about the rituals, except you say it is all about not doing them and they said it was all about doing them. How is it you can base your life in Christ on not doing law? It is not what Christ looks at, one way or the other.
Act_21:20 When they heard it, they glorified God and said, "You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are who have believed, and they are all zealous for the law.

I don't think scripture would back your idea about those thousands who believed in both Christ and the law. Even plain law does not withhold Christ from us.

Yes, I have checked with Jesus and His Word, given to Paul in Romans 7:1-6:

Or do you not know, brothers—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law is binding on a person only as long as he lives? 2 For a married woman is bound by law to her husband while he lives, but if her husband dies she is released from the law of marriage. 3 Accordingly, she will be called an adulteress if she lives with another man while her husband is alive. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law, and if she marries another man she is not an adulteress.

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4 Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God. 5 For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. 6 But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.
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It's really pretty clear.

-JGIG

 

[RedTent]

If you mean because I actually use Scripture, yes, I can see how that would make what you're trying to say difficult.

That's because you are not actually reading the OT text to see what Torah/Law is.

No, dear, you're the one in left field.

That's Kabbalistic thought; you've been steeped in it and you don't even know it. A number of us tried and tried and tried to tell you in another thread that you started, but you refused to see it: http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/88768-new-look-galatians.html

That sentence made no sense.

But you have.

All the Feasts point to Christ and His Work; all were fulfilled. How do I know that? Christ said so in Matthew 5.

If you believe that the last three Feasts have yet to be fulfilled:
5. Trumpets
6. Atonement
7. Tabernacles
. . . then you believe that Christ has not yet come, that He has not done the Work of the Cross, and that His Spirit does not dwell within those who put their faith in Him.

Are there still events to play out historically? Yes. But the Law stands fulfilled in Christ NOW. He said so.

Yes, it's called contextually quoting the BIBLE.

No, RedTent, from what you've posted, I'm way more familiar with the Law than you are. Rituals are part of the Law as God gave it. That's just the way it is. You are the one trying to separate them. Those jots and tittles can't be separated, however.

Yes there is, and because of the Kabbalistic teaching you have received (Bereans Online) you think it's Torah when it's really Christ.

You're camping in the shadows when you should be living in the Reality, Who is Christ!

Believe what you want, RedTent.

I'm content for God and the reader to judge between us. -JGIG

As you say you know all and I know nothing, and anything I know is wrong, would you then give us some of your knowledge.

If I do not know anything about the Torah or about Law, would you please give us you knowledge about it?

I did not see that when we are told about the Bereans in Acts it had anything to do with your Kabbalistic. Where did you find scripture for that?

Also, you say that Christ has returned as the last three feasts tell about. I don't see that Matt. 5 giving the sermon on the mount says anything about feasts, even.
Thanks.

 

[JGIG]

As you say you know all and I know nothing, and anything I know is wrong, would you then give us some of your knowledge.

No, RedTent, I did not say that. You're making stuff up again. What I did say is that you need to start backing up your assertions with proof from the Scriptures and cite your sources.

I've been sharing some of what I know right along . . . have you not noticed?

If I do not know anything about the Torah or about Law, would you please give us you knowledge about it?

Again, I have a number of posts on this and other threads; perhaps you would like to go back through some of them: http://christianchat.com/search.php?searchid=539551

I did not see that when we are told about the Bereans in Acts it had anything to do with your Kabbalistic.

"My Kabbalistic?" You really should brush up on what Kabbalah is, RedTent, since the bereansonline.org site you say you have learned so much from renders many of its teachings from Kabbalah.

I do not ascribe to Kabbalistic teachings; in fact, I try to steer people away from anything derived from Kabbalistic teachings. That is made quite clear in what I post.

Let me repeat the question, as you seem to have missed the question:

Actually, the Bereans did not refer to the OT Scriptures to check ALL that Paul said, but to check something SPECIFIC that Paul was teaching.

What was that?

Can you tell us?

Where did you find scripture for that?

I'll be happy to post that reference for you, but wasn't it you, who when asked why you don't post Scripture, say this:

"I usually do not copy and post the scripture I talk about, most Christians are familiar with bible and own one so they are able to check their bible to be sure that anything I say is scripture backed."


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No, I wouldn't want to insult you by posting the reference where the above information can be found. I'm sure you'll find it with no trouble at all and post it here for us to see.

Also, you say that Christ has returned as the last three feasts tell about.

The last three Feasts don't talk about His Return, but about His Work.

Did Christ come?

Yes. Many Torah-folk celebrate His Birth at the Feast of Trumpets, isn't that so?

Did Christ provide for the atonement for all sins for all time?

Yes. This is not a future event, but one that has already occurred - the Perfect, Final Sacrifice for all sin, for all mankind.

Does Christ Tabernacle with us?

Yes. He Himself told us that when He ascended into Heaven He would send His Holy Spirit to live within us, and many places in the New Covenant Scriptures refer to the Body of Christ corporately as well as we as believers individually as His Temple. So yes, Christ 'tabernacles', or dwells, with us by His Spirit.

I don't see that Matt. 5 giving the sermon on the mount says anything about feasts, even.
Thanks.

Do you think that the Feasts are not a part of the Law that Christ Himself declared that He came to fulfill? Really? You have read the Law, haven't you, RedTent? I assure you, the Feasts are indeed an inextricable part of the Law.

-JGIG

 

[danschance]

hiz, what version of bible do you use, exactly? My KJV says the Lord, as the translation there, and it was translated from Yhovah.

Spray piants Phil's chainsaw Stihl orange and attaches a nice Stihl sticker on it.

 

[RedTent]

No, RedTent, I did not say that. You're making stuff up again. What I did say is that you need to start backing up your assertions with proof from the Scriptures and cite your sources.

I've been sharing some of what I know right along . . . have you not noticed?

Again, I have a number of posts on this and other threads; perhaps you would like to go back through some of them: http://christianchat.com/search.php?searchid=539551

"My Kabbalistic?" You really should brush up on what Kabbalah is, RedTent, since the bereansonline.org site you say you have learned so much from renders many of its teachings from Kabbalah.

I do not ascribe to Kabbalistic teachings; in fact, I try to steer people away from anything derived from Kabbalistic teachings. That is made quite clear in what I post.

Let me repeat the question, as you seem to have missed the question:

Actually, the Bereans did not refer to the OT Scriptures to check ALL that Paul said, but to check something SPECIFIC that Paul was teaching.

What was that?

Can you tell us?

I'll be happy to post that reference for you, but wasn't it you, who when asked why you don't post Scripture, say this:

"I usually do not copy and post the scripture I talk about, most Christians are familiar with bible and own one so they are able to check their bible to be sure that anything I say is scripture backed."
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No, I wouldn't want to insult you by posting the reference where the above information can be found. I'm sure you'll find it with no trouble at all and post it here for us to see.

The last three Feasts don't talk about His Return, but about His Work.

Did Christ come?

Yes. Many Torah-folk celebrate His Birth at the Feast of Trumpets, isn't that so?

Did Christ provide for the atonement for all sins for all time?

Yes. This is not a future event, but one that has already occurred - the Perfect, Final Sacrifice for all sin, for all mankind.

Does Christ Tabernacle with us?

Yes. He Himself told us that when He ascended into Heaven He would send His Holy Spirit to live within us, and many places in the New Covenant Scriptures refer to the Body of Christ corporately as well as we as believers individually as His Temple. So yes, Christ 'tabernacles', or dwells, with us by His Spirit.


Do you think that the Feasts are not a part of the Law that Christ Himself declared that He came to fulfill? Really? You have read the Law, haven't you, RedTent? I assure you, the Feasts are indeed an inextricable part of the Law.

-JGIG

You say some awful things about me, but to say that I learned about the bereans from a website and not from the book of Acts about cracks it. Feast of Tabernacles is "Does Christ tabernacle with us. Feasts are a law. It is the Feast of Tabernacles to celebrate Christ's birth! That I do not copy and past bible and that proves I never use bible. You are something else, I am done with you.

 

[phil112]

Spray piants Phil's chainsaw Stihl orange and attaches a nice Stihl sticker on it.

That was a borrowed chainsaw. I just had some light cutting that needed to be done.
My chainsaw is a chevy and it's made for a little bigger logs.

 

[Hoffco]

JGIG, Christ has given us two physical rites to perform as Christians: Communion and water Baptism. But just doing them ,with out spiritual understand does not save., but they are part of the package of our sal.. Redtent I don't see how the last 3 Jewish feasts were not fulfilled by Christ. I don't think any of them were applied to the nation of Israel yet. When Jesus returns He will bring His People, the Nation of Israel, into the new cov. then all 7 feasts will spiritually be fulfilled for Israel. For us Christians all the feast have been fulfilled and have spiritual meaning to us. But the dispensationalists don't have all the answers. Love Hoffco