Is the Law love?

phil36 · Nov 23, 2017

Hi Hizikyah,

I can't really answer your question as I don't know who you are referring to..Yahshua. There is no person by that name in scripture.

But we can definitely see your legalistic mindset by condemning millions of Christians.

Hizikyah · Nov 23, 2017

Marcelo said:

This is after the cross:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the Commands of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]and the Belief of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”[/FONT]

mj007 · Nov 23, 2017

Can you answer my question?

phil36 said:

tanakh · Nov 23, 2017

If we could all obey the law. There would have been no point in Christs ministry, death and resurrection or the new covenant.We could all happily carry on with the Torah and the Prophets. The Temple and sacrifices could still be in place. None Jews could still become God Fearers as some were in the time of Jesus. Those who were not keen on the Pharisees or Sadducees could join the Essenes in the wilderness. The truth is that God had other plans and sent Christ to fulfill the Torah on our behalf. Just for good measure he sent the Romans to destroy the Temple in AD70 and the whole Law of Moses has not been practiced by any Jew or Gentile for over 2000 years, and wont ever be again despite the beliefs of some who long for another Temple and for ritual slaughter to start up again in some literalist Millennium. Christ fulfilled the law for us and is enthroned in Heaven. At his second coming he will usher in a New Heaven and a New Earth.

Hizikyah · Nov 23, 2017

phil36 said:

that is a lie, you know exactly who I am talking about, you accused me what 2 or 3 times for calling Him Yahshua not Yeshua...

and the secind question does not mention Yahshua/Yeshua/Jesus.

And so you may answer my question, when I say Yahshua im talking about the men commonly called Jesus.

Hizikyah · Nov 23, 2017

tanakh said:

Yahshua/Jesus is the Passover Sacrifice there is no longer a need for a levitical priesthood nor more sacrifices.

Yet we are told:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Corinthians 7:19, "For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of Yah?"[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Ephesians 6:2-3, "Honor your father and mother; which is the first commandment with a promise: That it may be well with you, and you may live long on the earth."

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 19:16-17, "And see, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good shall I do to have everlasting life? And He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except One – YHWH. But if you wish to enter into life, guard the commands.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Yahanan /John 2:3-7, “And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His commands. The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Yah has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked. Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Genesis 1:1, “In the beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earth.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Deuteronomy 6:5, “And you shall love [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]your Strength with all your heart, and with all your being, and with all your might.”[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Leviticus 19:18, ‘Do not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the children of your people. And you shall love your neighbor as yourself. I am [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif].”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."[/FONT]
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phil36 · Nov 23, 2017

Hizikyah said:

Oh I know exactly what you are saying Hizikyah!

And even Christian Jews tell us that Yahshua is not the name for jesus and never was. So is it not rally disrespectful to use a name that is not Jesus (Yeshua)

Hizikyah · Nov 23, 2017

phil36 said:

You call me legalistic but you also call me disrespectuful for using an a rather than an e.

plank in the eye much?

this is exactly why we should rea the Law it may stirike our heats by the power of the SPirit og YHWH!

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]15, "‘Do no unrighteousness in right-ruling. Do not be partial to the poor or favor the face of the great, but rightly judge your neighbor in righteousness."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]16, "‘Do not go slandering among your people. Do not stand against the blood of your neighbor. I am [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]."[/FONT]

mj007 · Nov 23, 2017

If Jesus didn't bring the law then how would we even know to try and follow it? Look at the world, Jesus changed a lot with the awareness of love and of sin.

It is never too late to turn away from sin, and turn to love. I really think it is a choice between the two.

Love is proactive, sin is reactive.

You are less likely to be reactive while being proactive.

Put love and logic together, you get purer logic, a logic which is defined by love, the intellect of God. Impure logic however, is defined by beliefs and opinions, based on ones own intellect. Which one causes everyone to argue? Which one do people usually choose?

tanakh said:

Marcelo · Nov 23, 2017

Hizikyah said:

No, the differences between the old and the new covenant are part of God's plan.

phil36 · Nov 23, 2017

Hizikyah said:

I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel—7 not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.

mj007 · Nov 23, 2017

So what caused your loss of connection to walking in love?

phil36 said:

I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel—7 not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.

preacher4truth · Nov 23, 2017

Hizikyah said:

Why not just be a man, accept correction, and own it?

He nailed you.

By the way, slandering means to lie, to tale bear in derogating another person.

He didn't lie in his assessment of you. In fact, you're the one slandering then, and thus bearing false witness, breaking command number 9.

Hizikyah · Nov 23, 2017

phil36 said:

I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel—7 not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.

you are a comic.

mj007 · Nov 23, 2017

And what caused you your loss of connection with walking in love preacher4truth?

preacher4truth said:

Hizikyah · Nov 23, 2017

preacher4truth said:

he nailed me!!!!!!!

lol, you simulated victories are too much.

So where is my error?

preacher4truth · Nov 23, 2017

Hizikyah said:

He didn't lie, yet you are bearing a grudge against your neighbor, which is breaking God's law, AND you're again bearing false witness on another. His name isn't Yahshua, you don't have the liberty to rename the Christ!

Hizikyah · Nov 23, 2017

Marcelo said:

I agree, He knows the end from the beginning;

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isaiah 46:10, “declaring the end from the beginning, and from of old that which has not yet been done, saying, ‘My counsel does stand, and all My delight I do,”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 89:26-37, "He will call out to Me; ‘You are my Father, O YHWH! You are the Rock of my salvation!’ And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish His Seed forever, and His throne will be as the days of heaven. Should His children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from Him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness, I cannot lie, and I say to David; His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky."[/FONT]

Hizikyah · Nov 23, 2017

preacher4truth said:

he tells me over and over im disrespectul for using Yahshua not Yeshua.

1. there are no vowels in written Hebrew, NO letter "a" or letter "e" it is in pronunciation that vowels come into play.

and Yahshua/Yeshua/Yahushua/Jesus/Iosus name is most properly written in english something like "YahwShuwa "

these first 2 letters are "Y" and "H" יְה

יְהוֹשׁוּעַ

“Jesus” is word #G2424 Ἰησοῦς Iesous (yee-sous') n/p., 1. (meaning) He is Salvation, Yahweh saves (i.e. the Savior)., 2. (person) Jesus (i.e. Yeshua, Yehoshua), the name of our Lord, also called the Last Adam., 3. (person) Joshua (i.e. Yehoshua) an Israelite, the servant and successor of Moses., 4. (person) Jeshua, also called Justus, an Israelite, a coworker with Paul., 5. (NOTE) (“Jesus” is a valid English transliteration, coming from Ancient Hebrew to Koine Greek (via the Septuagint) to Latin to Old English to Modern English. It is completely acceptable to God (Yahweh) for us call upon the Savior's name as “Jesus,” or “Iesous,” or “Yeshua,” or even “Yesu” as in Christian Arabic or in the Fijian Islands, et al. God prepared for all nations to be able to trust in the Savior and to call upon his name by preparing a language dialect for international use: the Hebraic-Koine Greek. Thus, technically and formally, the pronunciation “Iesous” was intentionally established by the Savior as the common basis for Jewish and Gentile acknowledgment of his Redemption and Salvation, going forth as needed into every tribe, native tongue, people, and nation. “Yeshua” is of course delightfully acceptable to him, when it is not used as an exclusionary name. Love edifies)., 6. (NOTE) (Revelation 3:12)., [of Hebrew origin (H3442 as the shortened form of H3091)], KJV: Jesus, Root(s): H3442, See also: H3091

Root word of “Jesus” is word #H3442 יֵשׁוַּע Yeshuwa` (yay-shoo'-ah) n/l., 1. he will save., 2. Jeshua, the name of ten Israelites, also of a place in Israel., [for H3091], KJV: Jeshua. , Root(s): H3091

Root word of “Jesus” is word #H3091 יְהוֹשׁוּעַ YhowShuw`a (yeh-ho-shoo'-ah) n/p., יְהוֹשֻׁעַ YhowShu`a (yeh-ho-shoo'-ah), 1. Yahweh-saved.2. Jehoshua (i.e. Joshua), the Jewish leader., [from H3068 and H3467], KJV: Jehoshua, Jehoshuah, Joshua., Root(s): H3068, H3467, Compare: H1954, H3442

he picks at me for an a rather than what he beleives to be an e, and Im the bad guy... sure.

mj007 · Nov 23, 2017

He is just trying to make you react.

Don't react, and ask him about love. Try to change his focus to love, because that is the challenge. Phil has since disappeared instead of answering my question.

When you try to change the focus to love, that's when things get kind of weird, and people feel awkward about continuing to be the way they are being.

After all, one can observe such a topic about the law of love. It is another, putting it into action, and giving examples of it. Interestingly people have come along and it has gone off-topic, to anything but the law of love.

Hizikyah said:

he tells me over and over im disrespectul for using Yahshua not Yeshua.

1. there are no vowels in written Hebrew, NO letter "a" or letter "e" it is in pronunciation that vowels come into play.

and Yahshua/Yeshua/Yahushua/Jesus/Iosus name is most properly written in english something like "YahwShuwa "

these first 2 letters are "Y" and "H" יְה

יְהוֹשׁוּעַ

“Jesus” is word #G2424 Ἰησοῦς Iesous (yee-sous') n/p., 1. (meaning) He is Salvation, Yahweh saves (i.e. the Savior)., 2. (person) Jesus (i.e. Yeshua, Yehoshua), the name of our Lord, also called the Last Adam., 3. (person) Joshua (i.e. Yehoshua) an Israelite, the servant and successor of Moses., 4. (person) Jeshua, also called Justus, an Israelite, a coworker with Paul., 5. (NOTE) (“Jesus” is a valid English transliteration, coming from Ancient Hebrew to Koine Greek (via the Septuagint) to Latin to Old English to Modern English. It is completely acceptable to God (Yahweh) for us call upon the Savior's name as “Jesus,” or “Iesous,” or “Yeshua,” or even “Yesu” as in Christian Arabic or in the Fijian Islands, et al. God prepared for all nations to be able to trust in the Savior and to call upon his name by preparing a language dialect for international use: the Hebraic-Koine Greek. Thus, technically and formally, the pronunciation “Iesous” was intentionally established by the Savior as the common basis for Jewish and Gentile acknowledgment of his Redemption and Salvation, going forth as needed into every tribe, native tongue, people, and nation. “Yeshua” is of course delightfully acceptable to him, when it is not used as an exclusionary name. Love edifies)., 6. (NOTE) (Revelation 3:12)., [of Hebrew origin (H3442 as the shortened form of H3091)], KJV: Jesus, Root(s): H3442, See also: H3091

Root word of “Jesus” is word #H3442 יֵשׁוַּע Yeshuwa` (yay-shoo'-ah) n/l., 1. he will save., 2. Jeshua, the name of ten Israelites, also of a place in Israel., [for H3091], KJV: Jeshua. , Root(s): H3091

Root word of “Jesus” is word #H3091 יְהוֹשׁוּעַ YhowShuw`a (yeh-ho-shoo'-ah) n/p., יְהוֹשֻׁעַ YhowShu`a (yeh-ho-shoo'-ah), 1. Yahweh-saved.2. Jehoshua (i.e. Joshua), the Jewish leader., [from H3068 and H3467], KJV: Jehoshua, Jehoshuah, Joshua., Root(s): H3068, H3467, Compare: H1954, H3442

he picks at me for an a rather than what he beleives to be an e, and Im the bad guy... sure.

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