Is the Protestant Reformation Infallible-of God?

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Magenta

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Roman Catholic Teachings That Oppose the Revealed Written Word of God

God several times throughout Scripture says He will not share His glory,
while Catholics glorify, venerate, and adore Mary.
Jesus did not once in
Scripture address Mary as His mother, but Catholics call her the mother
of humanity, and as if that were not enough, the queen of heaven.

Jesus said that anyone who did the will of God was His mother, His brother,
His sister. Jesus never elevated Mary above others, but Roman Catholics
feel a need to not just elevate Mary above others, but they put her on a par
with Jesus in terms of His sinlessness, (do you really think that she needed
to be sinless so that Jesus Christ could be sinless?). They are forced by
so-called infallible papal decree to accept the Marian dogmas of her bodily
assumption and immaculate conception, neither of which have any basis
whatsoever in Scripture.

Jesus told us to pray to our Father in heaven, yet they pray to Mary.
Scripture clearly states that there is one intercessor between God and
man, yet they will tell you to pray to Mary, and other dead people,
for intercession. They fault those who do as Jesus instructed, while
they disobey Him to follow someone else instead.

We see nothing in Scripture to endorse her bodily assumption, her
perpetual virginity (Jesus had siblings after all, two of whom have
books in the Bible!), her immaculate conception. We see no need to
pray to her, or any ability on her part, as dead as she is believed to be,
to intercede on our behalf against the explicit words of Jesus in Scripture.

Within Catholicism, there is a drive to define a new Marian dogma in which
Catholics, as a matter of faith, would be obliged to accept: 1) Mary participates
in redemption with Jesus Christ; 2) grace is granted by Jesus only through the
intercession of Mary; and 3) all prayers from the faithful must flow through
Mary, who brings them to the attention of her Son. Scripture also tells us not
to call anyone Father but God, while they call many men "father" and blindly
follow them.

Roman Catholics believe that a fallible man is the Rock that Jesus is building
His Church on, not a confession of faith divinely inspired by the Holy Spirit of God,
despite a plethora of Scriptures that attest to the fact that God is the sole Rock
of our salvation. They teach purgatory, and many other things neither the apostles
nor Jesus ever taught. For instance, they claim priests must be celibate, when they
were not in the early church. Another example would be infant baptism, nowhere
prom
oted in Scripture. They burned people at the stake for daring to read the Bible,
which is what Scripture tells us to do. Despite all this, and more, the
Catholic Church
considers herself the only valid expression of the community of God.

Of course, many believe the RCC are wrong on these and other matters, while they wish
to pretend that their beliefs are correct despite solid overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
 
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#22
Getting out of Catholicism is a good start.

Getting out of every McReligion and system of Churchianity is a good continuance.

Getting INTO the Bible and personal responsibility that leads us to personal behavior and mindset based on the Bible are our justification and sanctification.

All systems of man are prone to manipulation, deception and corruption. The "church" is the Ekklesia - community of called out ones. Scripture speaks of the whore mother and Harlot daughter churches and implores us:





Why not choose today to - "come out of her my people" - and come into a personal understanding and commitment to a new life in Jesus - The Way.
Matthew 18:17
And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican.
 
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Getting out of Catholicism is a good start.

Getting out of every McReligion and system of Churchianity is a good continuance.

Getting INTO the Bible and personal responsibility that leads us to personal behavior and mindset based on the Bible are our justification and sanctification.

All systems of man are prone to manipulation, deception and corruption. The "church" is the Ekklesia - community of called out ones. Scripture speaks of the whore mother and Harlot daughter churches and implores us:





Why not choose today to - "come out of her my people" - and come into a personal understanding and commitment to a new life in Jesus - The Way.
1 Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
 

Dino246

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1 Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
A question for you, Mindee: according to you, does "church of the living God" (as quoted above) equal the Roman Catholic Church exclusively?
 
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The what is called Protestant reformation, a reformation of Christ, the Holy Spirit of God is a duplicate as to its workings of the pattern set according to the first century reformation . It is the ear mark of any reformation restoring order to a previous time period. This is when the a source of faith became the teaching of men and man must seek the approval of what they called fathers.

Christ would say to them who insisted we need a man to teach us, a brood of vipers, showing they were false prophets because they measured their faith by men and not in respect the Spirit of Christ who worked in the believers to both will and do His good pleasure. They committed blasphemy of the Holy Spirit in that way attributing the work of believing God to sinful men.

The fathers became Christ's nemesis in respect to the kind of fathers that Lorded it over the flock .

The orals traditions of those fathers became to source of faith making the word of God as the final authority in matters of faith to no effect. Believing all things written in the law and prophets (sola scriptural ) became their nemesis.

Fill ye up then "the measure of your fathers". Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?Mat 23:32
 

tanakh

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God only Knows
 
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A question for you, Mindee: according to you, does "church of the living God" (as quoted above) equal the Roman Catholic Church exclusively?
Just because you believe it does, it doesn't mean I have to.
 
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1 Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

The lively stones that make up the spiritual house of God (not seen) represents the church of our living God.Not of themselves as if we were to think of men like the apoatles above that which is written

Not of the apostles (apostolic succession) which the Catholic teach, as if sinful men where in the place of our living God. ..

The pillar and ground of faith represents ,our living God in that verse, as two separate entities

No other foundation can be laid save that of Christ, the Holy Spirit of God.
 
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The what is called Protestant reformation, a reformation of Christ, the Holy Spirit of God is a duplicate as to its workings of the pattern set according to the first century reformation . It is the ear mark of any reformation restoring order to a previous time period. This is when the a source of faith became the teaching of men and man must seek the approval of what they called fathers.

Christ would say to them who insisted we need a man to teach us, a brood of vipers, showing they were false prophets because they measured their faith by men and not in respect the Spirit of Christ who worked in the believers to both will and do His good pleasure. They committed blasphemy of the Holy Spirit in that way attributing the work of believing God to sinful men.

The fathers became Christ's nemesis in respect to the kind of fathers that Lorded it over the flock .

The orals traditions of those fathers became to source of faith making the word of God as the final authority in matters of faith to no effect. Believing all things written in the law and prophets (sola scriptural ) became their nemesis.

Fill ye up then "the measure of your fathers". Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?Mat 23:32
The reformation has created more division and chaos. The Protestant reformation has nothing to do with restoring order.
 

Desdichado

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The reformation has created more division and chaos. The Protestant reformation has nothing to do with restoring order.
Yep, Christ did not come to bring division. :rolleyes:
 
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Just because you believe it does, it doesn't mean I have to.
You just posted an illogical fallacy. If you do that again, you will have committed illogical fallacy after illogical fallacy.
 
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Miri

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It's bad when the OP starts talking to themself!
 
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The reformation has created more division and chaos. The Protestant reformation has nothing to do with restoring order.
More division for who, the Pope?

The Catholic fathers like the Jewish fathers were under the impression that we need a man to teach us making the work of the Holy Spirit to no effect.

Their teaching was in respect to walking by sight after a religious experience they had and not by faith in respect to unseen voice of God. They thought those who did not trust their private interpretation as to their outward form where the competition and out of sight out of mind was their goal by murdering them, became their way of pleases God as a false zeal .

In both reformations the High priest or the Pope in respect to the Catholic were given letters of approval to those who would kill what they thought was the outward completion as that seen promising them a special privilege as they continued to resist; "all things written in the law and the prophets" (sola scriptura)

This is witnessed by Saul before he was converted as Paul on the road to Damascus .and left the Pharisees with Sadducee sect and became a member of the Nazarene denomination. The first sect listed on this side of the cross. There is no mention of a Catholic sect.

Act 22:3 I am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, and taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day.

A false zeal in respect to the things of men, and not those of God .

And I persecuted this way "unto the death", binding and delivering into prisons both men and women. As also the high priest doth bear me witness, and all the estate of the elders: from whom also I received letters unto the brethren, and went to Damascus, to bring them which were there bound unto Jerusalem, for to be punished.Act 22:4
 
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The Protestant Reformation was a good start. The Reformers understood that Roman Catholicism was not in line with the scriptures and as such were a different religious system... a cult if you will.

Was the Protestant Reformation infallible? No. In an attempt to "reform" the Roman Catholic Church/Cult, I would argue that many of the reformers retained some doctrinal issues from Roman Catholicism. Instead of "reforming" the RCC, they should have wiped it clean and started anew solely from the scriptures. You find many denominations today who believe certain things from the RCC/Orthodox Church such as the Literal Presence/Eucharist which should have been abolished a long time ago. You also have Protestant denominations that align with certain theological viewpoints which can be in error.

Are Protestants infallible? Nope. But with the same understanding that the Roman Catholic Church had serious deadly spiritual error, we can apply the same lens to Protestant Denominations and the Orthodox Church. Does anything held by these divisions of Christianity not line up with the scriptures? Are we holding up the traditions and doctrines of man as if they were on par with scripture? If so, we need to throw them out and continue with what God tells us in the scriptures in correct context. Yes leaven is present in the Church today. However, as we allow the Holy Spirit to show us the truth, we can remove the leaven by God's help and worship Him as He wants to be worshiped :)
 
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1LonelyKnight

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Matthew 18:17
And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican.
We have been and now are telling the Catholic, telling the Catholic church - may many 'come out of her' before being treated as heathen and publican. Catholic Pharisee politicians and lawyers and judges and district attorneys - change the law, manipulate, coerce and extort their own people, and abuse their own children.

In love and compassion and by the authority of Jesus we invite you and all Catholics to "come out of her my people be not partakers of her sins and receivers of her plagues". Before the candle stick is removed from it's place, before many are turned over to the devil - Come out of her my people ...