Is there anything good in the law?

[eternally-gratefull]

And the "law of love" you spoke about?

New testament, that can;t save you either, it just shows you how to sanctify yourself after you have been saved, It does what the mosaic law was not able to do.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

1. Moses clearly showed by the law no one could be saved

Chapter and verse?

Where did Moses ever show that no one could be saved by the Law?

2. The author of hebrews is clear. The blood of bulls and goats NEVER took away sin (the animal sacrifices were never sufficient, not one persons sins were redeemed by the slaughter of a little lamb.

They were saved the same way we are, By faith in Gods provision. They just did not know what that provision was.

While the blood of bulls and goats could not ever take the sins away, still though, they provided a covering and a partial atonement for the OT Saints.

And no, they (OT saints) were not saved the same way we are today.

Back in the Old Testament:

*No saint was born again.

*No saint was regenerated.

*No saint was placed in Christ.

*No saint was sealed permanently unto the Day of Redemption.

*No saint had their soul separated (spiritually circumcised) from their flesh.

The Church Age doctrines which we find in the Pauline epistles that are unique to this Dispensation and age were not available back in the Old Testament.

So again; no, the saints back in the Old Testament were not saved the same way that we are roday in the Church Age.

 

[Kerry]

Chapter and verse?

Where did Moses ever show that no one could be saved by the Law?





While the blood of bulls and goats could not ever take the sins away, still though, they provided a covering and a partial atonement for the OT Saints.

And no, they (OT saints) were not saved the same way we are today.

Back in the Old Testament:

*No saint was born again.

*No saint was regenerated.

*No saint was placed in Christ.

*No saint was sealed permanently unto the Day of Redemption.

*No saint had their soul separated (spiritually circumcised) from their flesh.

The Church Age doctrines which we find in the Pauline epistles that are unique to this Dispensation and age were not available back in the Old Testament.

So again; no, the saints back in the Old Testament were not saved the same way that we are roday in the Church Age.

WRONG, they were saved by their faith in the cross and represented it by giving sacrifice of their lively hood. I meant what does a lamb shank cost these days. Much less a whole lamb or bull an ephah of flour and a hin of oil, were talking money and lot of it. Faith brother faith.

 

[ob77]

It always seemed to me that God gave us the law out of love for us; it has been a shock to read all the posts that are only against it. When people try to use it for what God did not give it to us to be used for, those things are against law. But God gave it to us for good, too, and it seems as if we are spitting in God’s face when we say it is only bad.

I set out to find out if there was any advantage to simply using law as a guide to living. When I looked at the Muslims trying to do that, using law as a guide produced meanness toward others, especially towards women. They seemed to ignore that love is the basis of all law or it isn’t of God.

I was told that the Jews used it for salvation, so I explored that idea. I couldn’t find that scripture ever told them to do that, although I found sects of their religion that thought that.

Then I gathered every book I could find about Jews using law as a guide to living. I was amazed at the advantages for them in this life that law gave them, although those advantages only seemed to apply when love for God and man was incorporated with law.

I can’t summarize all the many books I read about this lifestyle in one post, but the advantages were in happier marriages, better education of their people, economic security through helping each other, a feeling of togetherness in the community, such honesty in dealings they were trusted when others weren’t trusted, I could go on and on. However, it always seemed to take a community working together for this lifestyle as relationships were so much a part of it.

My conclusion was that there were advantages to law alone if love was included. I am not promoting law without the HS to guide, law used for salvation when it simply is incapable of being used for that, or law for any reason at all except for love of the Lord and helping create a good life here on earth.

I have been told I am a liar, I am going to hell, I have been personally threatened for saying these things. I hope someone will respond to these ideas of scripture without threatening me personally.

I cannot read anything, as the print is so small. Do you actually think the law is not good, since it came from God Himself?

 

[Kerry]

Yes it came from God to curse us and condemn us. because of the sin nature we cannot attain to it, Did the scripture say that Abraham kept law and it was accounted to Him as righteousness?

 

[ChosenbyHim]

WRONG, they were saved by their faith in the cross

That is incorrect Kerry. They were not saved by their faith in the Cross. Neither were they looking forward to the Cross.

A 'cross' is not mentioned within any context in the Bible until Matthew 10:38.

They were saved by faith and works. They needed to have faith in what God said and they also needed to do works to secure their salvation.

and represented it by giving sacrifice of their lively hood. I meant what does a lamb shank cost these days. Much less a whole lamb or bull an ephah of flour and a hin of oil, were talking money and lot of it. Faith brother faith.

Again Kerry, the saints back then had to do the right kind of works to accompany their faith for salvation.

 

[RedTent]

Yes it came from God to curse us and condemn us. because of the sin nature we cannot attain to it, Did the scripture say that Abraham kept law and it was accounted to Him as righteousness?

All these scriptures talking of the law not being our guide for living and ignoring scripture from the same books saying it is holy and we are to listen!! It is true, we may follow Christ and still not follow directions that only give the physical things to do, like circumcision, but even in that we are to be spiritually circumcised. With all these posts saying that God does not operate our world by law, it is like saying there is no gravity, you can jump from a tall building safely. And saying we should not go by anything scripture writes about it, just listen to the spirit is like saying you may not read about gravity, or tell babies about it they just better know it in their hearts. It is like a directive to parents to never tell a child that a hot stove will burn them.

All this cursing and condemning talk as the only thing law does is ridiculous.