Is your pastor deceiving you, or is he just ignorant?

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mailmandan

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Because Lord Jesus only taught truth and He is the one that said go sin no more, and laid the path in moral standings we are commanded to follow !!!
Of course Jesus said go and sin no more. Did you expect Jesus to say, just go and sin a little bit? Jesus cannot and will not compromise His perfect holy standard, yet this does not mean that we live up to it 100% of the time.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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The RCC majors in the crucifixion.
The EOC majors in the resurrection.
The TBOC major in all of Gods word. Not just the ones people want to pull out of context and distort to their own destruction.

ps... TBOC stands for the True Body of Christ.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Yes, thanks for sharing with us.
IMO, there is more to the on-going salvation process than merely faith.
Just for example: Jesus says, "If you love Me, obey My commandments."
Then, of course, we must ask ...
If one does not love Jesus, can he/she go to heaven?
Better yet, one can ask.

1. Can one who has true faith in God and is saved from eternal damnation NOT love the one he trusts, who saved them.
2. Can one who has not been given the true love of God (salvation and eternal life ) love God.


If one is not saved, both 1 and 2 are impossible. I can act like a christian, and obey all kinds of moral laws. But I am not a christian, and can not live in righteousness empowered by God himself.
 
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oldthennew

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Of course Jesus said go and sin no more. Did you expect Jesus to say, just go and sin a little bit? Jesus cannot and will not compromise His perfect holy standard, yet this does not mean that we live up to it 100% of the time.[/QUOTE

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well put, mailmandan,

but, 100% of the time we must keep in mind that Christ is our Example
and try to honor Him by living, walking, and talking as He did.
 
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Kefa54

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This is where I have trouble. If i go out in my strength and try to follow Christ....I WILL fail. If I go out and focus on the Holly spirit in my life. He will guide me, give strength and wisdom to walk. My self still gets in the way a little but over all I stay in the Spirit.

Also...There is just one person that ever had God on their mind 100% of the time.

Kefa



Of course Jesus said go and sin no more. Did you expect Jesus to say, just go and sin a little bit? Jesus cannot and will not compromise His perfect holy standard, yet this does not mean that we live up to it 100% of the time.[/QUOTE

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well put, mailmandan,

but, 100% of the time we must keep in mind that Christ is our Example
and try to honor Him by living, walking, and talking as He did.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Of course Jesus said go and sin no more. Did you expect Jesus to say, just go and sin a little bit? Jesus cannot and will not compromise His perfect holy standard, yet this does not mean that we live up to it 100% of the time.[/QUOTE

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well put, mailmandan,

but, 100% of the time we must keep in mind that Christ is our Example
and try to honor Him by living, walking, and talking as He did.
I think people forget. When we do this, it is FOR OUR BENEFIT.

As Jesus himself said, Blessed (literally very very very happy) are you if you do them.
 
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Kefa54

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Even with the Holly Spirit as a guide I still let the flesh jump in at times. Jesus wasn't telling folks to Sin NO More as in being perfect. I am only made perfect in Christ.


7But when they persisted in asking Him, He straightened up, and said to them, "He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her."
8Again He stooped down and wrote on the ground.
9When they heard it, they began to go out one by one, beginning with the older ones, and He was left alone, and the woman, where she was, in the center of the court.…
10 Straightening up, Jesus said to her, "Woman, where are they? Did no one condemn you?"
11She said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said, "I do not condemn you, either. Go. From now on sin no more."

In saying, “Go and sin no more,” Jesus was not speaking of sinless perfection. He was warning against a return to her sinful lifestyle choice. His words both extended mercy and demanded holiness. Jesus was always the perfect balance of “grace and truth” (John 1:14). With forgiveness comes the expectation that we will not continue in the same path of rebelliousness. Those who know God’s love and Spirit will naturally want to obey Him (John 14:15).
 
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Okay, so what about you?
Do YOU have any idea what it means to follow Jesus?
E.G. Jesus says those who love Him obey His commandments.

Can one who does not love Jesus (and obey Him) make it to heaven?
IMO, those who adhere to the "grace only", "cheap grace", "greasy grace" gospel say "YES".
Am I wrong?
A Christian woman makes a statement glorifying God, you attack her, I defend her, then you counter by asking me about my Christian walk. You can't make this stuff up. ;)

Tell you what, friend, show your Christianity by sincerely, publicly apologizing to her, then I'll respond to your question. No worries, I'll wait; I have lots of popcorn.
 
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Yes, thanks for sharing with us.
IMO, there is more to the on-going salvation process than merely faith.
Just for example: Jesus says, "If you love Me, obey My commandments."
Then, of course, we must ask ...
If one does not love Jesus, can he/she go to heaven?
Commands as in, Love God and neighbor. Its all about love.
 
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Kefa54

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What is ..."grace only", "cheap grace", "greasy grace" gospel?

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Ephesians 2:8 For you are saved by grace through faith, and this is not from yourselves; it is God's gift--

The best part is that the Holly Spirit has shown me that I don't have to upset myself to care.


Kefa



Okay, so what about you?
Do YOU have any idea what it means to follow Jesus?
E.G. Jesus says those who love Him obey His commandments.

Can one who does not love Jesus (and obey Him) make it to heaven?
IMO, those who adhere to the "grace only", "cheap grace", "greasy grace" gospel say "YES".
Am I wrong?
 
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What is ..."grace only", "cheap grace", "greasy grace" gospel?

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Ephesians 2:8 For you are saved by grace through faith, and this is not from yourselves; it is God's gift--

The best part is that the Holly Spirit has shown me that I don't have to upset myself to care.


Kefa
It means trusting Jesus, acknowledging that He did all the work, and rejoicing in His saving grace. People who don't trust the finality of payment as paid for by Jesus, refer to trusting Him completely as cheap, greasy and whatever other blasphemies that want to contrive.