-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Abraham and Isaac were Hebrews and not an Isrealite,only Jacob and his seed became Isrealites. the NT talks about the twelve tribes and their fate. it mention nothing about spiritual Israel no where in the bible. these are people, flesh and blood.Just like the Gentiles(PEOPLE) have been grafted into the branch, So will the Israelites(people) be grafted back into the branch whence they were removed.
E
Jesus said forever, as an everlasting possession.
so you tell me, It was also a non conditional covenant, So why would God later place conditions on it?
Why would God promise Christ just a plot of land in the middle east.
Abraham was told they would not possess it for 400 years because the sin of the ammorite had not yet been compete.
so no, It is not christ.
Christ fulfilled the "in you shall ALL THE NATIONS be BLESSED
Jesus gets the whole world. not just a plot of land in the middle east.
Unconditional,
Go said I will, not if you do this...
E
Nope The church was never promised land. God said he gave it to him forever. If you do not believe this, then you call God a liar.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”
The church (assembly or body) was around before Abraham and is around after him.
E
why does that depend on this? God did not make any conditions, He said I will, I give you, etc etc.
He later in the mosaic made a condition on whether they are able to live in THEIR land, or watch people who do not own it live there. But he never made conditions on whose land it was.
Today according to the Leviticus covenant, they are being punished for unbelief, Just Like God said they would does that negate his promise to them? No.
He later in the mosaic made a condition on whether they are able to live in THEIR land, or watch people who do not own it live there. But he never made conditions on whose land it was.
Today according to the Leviticus covenant, they are being punished for unbelief, Just Like God said they would does that negate his promise to them? No.
E
God said,
If you disobey me, and do basically what you just claimed and we both agree, they are doing today.
Then God will punish you seven times for your sins, He will destroy your cities, your temple. your land, He will bring gentiles into ravish it, He will take you from the land, and disperse you throughout the world. etc etc etc.
That happened in 70 ad, and continues today. Why? They have yet to repent.
so what part of God is keeping his promise do people not understand.
God said this was going to happen. It did, PRAISE GOD HE KEEPS HIS WORD. HE KEEPS HIS PROMISES
so again, What part of the promise, FOREVER is so hard to understand?
E
Pre-incarnate Jesus said it. Or do you not believe Jesus was the God of Isreal. Who would be sent by God and his holy spirit. the God who spoke to Moses in the bush?
Gen 17-
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”
Gen 17-
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”
So according to you YHWH is Jesus? Jesus means "YHWH is salvation", so its quite a complicated idea.
Also, why did you not continue the citation, the very next verse says the condition.
And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you. 8 Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”
Then God said to Abraham, "As for you, you must keep my covenant, you and your descendants after you for the generations to come.
Also, here you have the word translated as "everlasting":
Strong's Hebrew: 5769. עוֹלָם (olam) -- long duration, antiquity, futurity
Also, why did you not continue the citation, the very next verse says the condition.
And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you. 8 Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”
Then God said to Abraham, "As for you, you must keep my covenant, you and your descendants after you for the generations to come.
Also, here you have the word translated as "everlasting":
Strong's Hebrew: 5769. עוֹלָם (olam) -- long duration, antiquity, futurity
E
I have never said this, I have always maintained that they are being punished, and they will not take their land, God will give it back to them. AFTER they repent.
There wil not be peace in Israel until they repent. that's why I laugh at all these so called peacemakers.
now, As for future prophesy, some things must happen.. But that's a different conversation.
There wil not be peace in Israel until they repent. that's why I laugh at all these so called peacemakers.
now, As for future prophesy, some things must happen.. But that's a different conversation.
Romans 11:22-28English Standard Version (ESV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off. [SUP]23 [/SUP]And even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again. [SUP]24 [/SUP]For if you were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, the natural branches, be grafted back into their own olive tree.
The Mystery of Israel's Salvation
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers:[SUP][a][/SUP] a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. [SUP]26 [/SUP]And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written,
“The Deliverer will come from Zion,
he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”;
[SUP]27 [/SUP]“and this will be my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”
[SUP]28 [/SUP]As regards the gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers.
Romans 11:22-28English Standard Version (ESV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off. [SUP]23 [/SUP]And even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again.[SUP]24 [/SUP]For if you were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, the natural branches, be grafted back into their own olive tree.
The Mystery of Israel's Salvation
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers:[SUP][a][/SUP] a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. [SUP]26 [/SUP]And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written,
“The Deliverer will come from Zion,
he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”;
[SUP]27 [/SUP]“and this will be my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”
[SUP]28 [/SUP]As regards the gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers.
E
Is 48:12 - 16 : “Listen to Me, O Jacob, And Israel, My called: I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth, And My right hand has stretched out the heavens; When I call to them, They stand up together.[SUP]14 [/SUP]“All of you, assemble yourselves, and hear!Who among them has declared these things?The Lord loves him;
He shall do His pleasure on Babylon, And His arm shall be against the Chaldeans. [SUP]15 [/SUP]I, even I, have spoken; Yes, I have called him, I have brought him, and his way will prosper.Come ye near unto me (Jesus), Hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it (the beginning) was, there am I, and now the Lord God (Father), and his Spirit (Holy Spirit), hath sent me.
He shall do His pleasure on Babylon, And His arm shall be against the Chaldeans. [SUP]15 [/SUP]I, even I, have spoken; Yes, I have called him, I have brought him, and his way will prosper.Come ye near unto me (Jesus), Hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it (the beginning) was, there am I, and now the Lord God (Father), and his Spirit (Holy Spirit), hath sent me.
.
Flesh (dust) is flesh no more and no less. Spirit is Spirit no less
The root and seed is Christ, the branches are his handy work he causes their growth. If the branch is not rooted in the good ground (the word of God) it cannot grow . A outward Jew must be born again. If any man has not the Spirit of Christ than neither does he belong to God
The one seed (spiritual) is Christ. Thats seed (one spiritual) and not seeds many, in respect to the flesh of Abraham the earthly father of one nation. His name was used to typify our Heavenly father as the father of many nations. (all the denominations of the world.) Jewish flesh profits for nothing the same with the Gentile.
Scripture defines scripture The Holy Spirit defines what the word Jew or Israel the Israelites spiritual meaning is. We walk by faith (the unseen) not that seen, the flesh
Using the word Israelites does not divide between Abraham and Isaac as Hebrews and not an Israelite, only Jacob. Jacob follows the order..
It’s not the generation of the flesh that’s Adam’s generation, natural man
Not all Israel is Israel or not all Israelites are Israelites
The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren; Mat 1:1
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. Gal 3:16
Flesh (dust) is flesh no more and no less. Spirit is Spirit no less
The root and seed is Christ, the branches are his handy work he causes their growth. If the branch is not rooted in the good ground (the word of God) it cannot grow . A outward Jew must be born again. If any man has not the Spirit of Christ than neither does he belong to God
The one seed (spiritual) is Christ. Thats seed (one spiritual) and not seeds many, in respect to the flesh of Abraham the earthly father of one nation. His name was used to typify our Heavenly father as the father of many nations. (all the denominations of the world.) Jewish flesh profits for nothing the same with the Gentile.
Scripture defines scripture The Holy Spirit defines what the word Jew or Israel the Israelites spiritual meaning is. We walk by faith (the unseen) not that seen, the flesh
Using the word Israelites does not divide between Abraham and Isaac as Hebrews and not an Israelite, only Jacob. Jacob follows the order..
It’s not the generation of the flesh that’s Adam’s generation, natural man
Not all Israel is Israel or not all Israelites are Israelites
The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren; Mat 1:1
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. Gal 3:16
Scripture defines how the word keep is to be used.It helps us to understand what it means to guard with great care with all a person heart soul and mind.
It does not seem to reflect... keep away from the tree in the center or die. But more the kind of fear that says: if he would take into a accound of none wrong suffered who could stand before his throne of Mercy and receive grace. We fear Him because with Him their is forgiveness ,.I would offer He forgives all our sin or he forgives nothing
Strongs lexicon 08104 shamar {shaw-mar'}
a primitive root; TWOT - 2414; v
AV - keep 283, observe 46, heed 35, keeper 28, preserve 21, beware 9, mark 8, watchman 8, wait 7, watch 7, regard 5, save 2, misc 9; 468
1) to keep, guard, observe, give heed 1a) (Qal) 1a1) to keep, have charge of 1a2) to keep, guard, keep watch and ward, protect, save life 1a2a) watch, watchman (participle) 1a3) to watch for, wait for 1a4) to watch, observe 1a5) to keep, retain, treasure up (in memory) 1a6) to keep (within bounds), restrain 1a7) to observe, celebrate, keep (sabbath or covenant or commands), perform (vow) 1a8) to keep, preserve, protect 1a9) to keep, reserve 1b) (Niphal) 1b1) to be on one's guard, take heed, take care, beware 1b2) to keep oneself, refrain, abstain 1b3) to be kept, be guarded 1c) (Piel) to keep, pay heed 1d) (Hithpael) to keep oneself from
The Judizers would have others to believe that if a person does violate the the least of the law he is not is guilty of the whole eternal wage. It would seem they who think doing a good work lessens the the one wage of sin.
So according to you YHWH is Jesus? Jesus means "YHWH is salvation", so its quite a complicated idea.
Not complicated same immutable attribute as Savior. God does not have names as we do today every name speaks of His immutible attributes as authorities of His will
Isa 12:2 Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.
It does not seem to reflect... keep away from the tree in the center or die. But more the kind of fear that says: if he would take into a accound of none wrong suffered who could stand before his throne of Mercy and receive grace. We fear Him because with Him their is forgiveness ,.I would offer He forgives all our sin or he forgives nothing
Strongs lexicon 08104 shamar {shaw-mar'}
a primitive root; TWOT - 2414; v
AV - keep 283, observe 46, heed 35, keeper 28, preserve 21, beware 9, mark 8, watchman 8, wait 7, watch 7, regard 5, save 2, misc 9; 468
1) to keep, guard, observe, give heed 1a) (Qal) 1a1) to keep, have charge of 1a2) to keep, guard, keep watch and ward, protect, save life 1a2a) watch, watchman (participle) 1a3) to watch for, wait for 1a4) to watch, observe 1a5) to keep, retain, treasure up (in memory) 1a6) to keep (within bounds), restrain 1a7) to observe, celebrate, keep (sabbath or covenant or commands), perform (vow) 1a8) to keep, preserve, protect 1a9) to keep, reserve 1b) (Niphal) 1b1) to be on one's guard, take heed, take care, beware 1b2) to keep oneself, refrain, abstain 1b3) to be kept, be guarded 1c) (Piel) to keep, pay heed 1d) (Hithpael) to keep oneself from
The Judizers would have others to believe that if a person does violate the the least of the law he is not is guilty of the whole eternal wage. It would seem they who think doing a good work lessens the the one wage of sin.
So according to you YHWH is Jesus? Jesus means "YHWH is salvation", so its quite a complicated idea.
Not complicated same immutable attribute as Savior. God does not have names as we do today every name speaks of His immutible attributes as authorities of His will
Isa 12:2 Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.