It is possible for a Christian to lose their salvation.
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How is your new man renewed in knowledge or even come tho the acknowledging of the truth, when you keep rejecting what I say?
I'm not being serious with that, I was just having fun.
Seriously though, don't we think this inwardly to some degree? We all believe we know the truth to some extent, even calling the person with the apposing doctrine, of the devil. I know I've done that. I still question many.
So how do we know who is right and who is not?
Also, those who are wrong, are they wolves in sheep's clothing, or just ignorant?
I'm not being serious with that, I was just having fun.
Seriously though, don't we think this inwardly to some degree? We all believe we know the truth to some extent, even calling the person with the apposing doctrine, of the devil. I know I've done that. I still question many.
So how do we know who is right and who is not?
Also, those who are wrong, are they wolves in sheep's clothing, or just ignorant?
King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
2 Corinthians 11:3
But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 2 John 1:9
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
The way some people put forth the Gospel ordinary folks cannot understand.....half the bible to prove a point, and every verse out of context...here are two verses showing the simplicity of Christ...and one showing who has and who has not Christ....
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Luke 15 [h=3]The Parable of the Lost Sheep[/h]15 Now the tax collectors and sinners were all gathering around to hear Jesus. [SUP]2 [/SUP]But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law muttered, “This man welcomes sinners and eats with them.”
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Then Jesus told them this parable: [SUP]4 [/SUP]“Suppose one of you has a hundred sheep and loses one of them. Doesn’t he leave the ninety-nine in the open country and go after the lost sheep until he finds it? [SUP]5 [/SUP]And when he finds it, he joyfully puts it on his shoulders [SUP]6 [/SUP]and goes home. Then he calls his friends and neighbors together and says, ‘Rejoice with me; I have found my lost sheep.’ [SUP]7 [/SUP]I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent.
Here you have the parable of the lost sheep given by our Lord Jesus Christ.
The meaning of this parable is that when a sheep ( believer ) becomes lost we are to go and minister to them to bring them back to repentance of their sin.
If that person does not repent, our Lord makes it clear also in Luke when He says repent or parish.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Then Jesus told them this parable: [SUP]4 [/SUP]“Suppose one of you has a hundred sheep and loses one of them. Doesn’t he leave the ninety-nine in the open country and go after the lost sheep until he finds it? [SUP]5 [/SUP]And when he finds it, he joyfully puts it on his shoulders [SUP]6 [/SUP]and goes home. Then he calls his friends and neighbors together and says, ‘Rejoice with me; I have found my lost sheep.’ [SUP]7 [/SUP]I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent.
Here you have the parable of the lost sheep given by our Lord Jesus Christ.
The meaning of this parable is that when a sheep ( believer ) becomes lost we are to go and minister to them to bring them back to repentance of their sin.
If that person does not repent, our Lord makes it clear also in Luke when He says repent or parish.
From what I see in scripture, repentance from dead works is not a prerequisite for salvation. If it was, then most of the verses that don't say anything about repentance would be a half truth.
Repentance from dead works is for the believer, not the sinner.
They are cleansed from their sins when they come to Christ.
Repentance from dead works is for the believer, not the sinner.
They are cleansed from their sins when they come to Christ.
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What you see does not make it truth...we are saved by grace through faith....salvation is ongoing so faith must be ongoing also....We hear we believe we obey...At Our initial deliverance we repent from dead works and turn to God who cleanses us from our past sins and give us a new start with the power of the HS. As we grow in Christ we identify areas in our lives that don't align to the word of God we repent of these God is faithful to forgive when we ask and we move forward...
Luke 5:32
I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Luke 5:32
I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
I'm just saying, repentance from dead works is not a requirement to receive Christ. We receive forgiveness of sins when we first came and received Christ in our heart by faith, not when or because we repented of our sins.
Salvation is by grace through faith in Christ and His work on the cross, not through faith and repentance of dead works.
Salvation is by grace through faith in Christ and His work on the cross, not through faith and repentance of dead works.
According to Acts 2:38, one needs to BOTH repent and be baptized for the remission of sins, so consider that when reading the below commentary.
Is There A Contradiction Between Act_2:38 & Joh_3:16?
Question: There is seemingly a contradiction between Act_2:38, which says "... Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ FOR the remission of sins,..."; and, Joh_3:16 which says "...whosoever BELIEVETH in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." Both can't be right! So, what is your answer to this?
Answer: The key to getting the proper understanding of Act_2:38 is found in the little Greek word "eis", translated "for." The Greek "eis" is translated various ways in the New Testament, depending on the context and the usage of the word itself, by demonstrating basis, ground, aim, or purpose.
For example, in 1Co_2:7, "eis doxan hemon" is translated "unto our glory." (KJT). In the RSV, it is translated "for our glory." It is translated thus in demonstrating aim or purpose, that being, our glory. In Mat_12:41, "eis" is translated "at", demonstrating the basis or grounds, that being the preaching of Jonah was the grounds for the repentance of Nineveh. "...because they repented at (or "because of") the preaching of Jonas."
A.T. Robertson, a well-known Greek Scholar, has pointed out that the Greek preposition "eis," translated "for" in the phrase "for the remission of sins," may also mean "because of." An example of this can be found in Luk_11:32, where the text says that the people of Nineveh "...repented at the preaching of Jonas..." The word "at" is a translation of the same Greek term "eis" found in Act_2:38. The people of Jonah's day, you see, did not repent for his preaching; but, because of it.
To quote Dr. John R. Rice, a worthy scholar, from his "Filled With the Spirit, The Book of Acts, A Verse-by-Verse Commentary: "The King James translation of Act_2:38" ' ...be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins...' is unfortunate and inaccurate. The little Greek preposition eis, translated for, is an indefinite preposition of reference. It does not mean in order to. If Peter had commanded the people to be baptized in order to receive the remission of sins, he would have needed to use the Greek preposition hina, which means in order to. He did not.
This little preposition eis, used about 1,800 times in the New Testament in Greek, is variously translated, for, at, toward, unto, into, etc. So it could be translated for, as here, only in the sense of 'on the basis of,' or 'on the ground of,' so Dr. A.T. Robertson explains.
Even in English the preposition for does not necessarily mean in order to. Often for means 'on the basis of,' or 'on the ground of.' Thus one is scolded for being late, or arrested for stealing, or praised for beauty, or rewarded for bravery, or paid for work.
Act_2:38 does not give a new plan of salvation. Act_10:43 says, 'To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.' So Joh_3:36 says, "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life.' So say many other Scriptures. One who trusts in Christ has, immediately, everlasting life."
With this in mind, let us return to Act_2:38 where the Greek "eis" is translated "for" in the KJT and "unto" in the RSV. In these instances,, the Greek "eis" would be incorrectly translated "for and "unto." The correct translation would be "BECAUSE OF," a more accurate rendering. Therefore, in Act_2:38, "eis" is showing the "basis or grounds" for baptism, that being their remission of sins BECAUSE of their belief in Jesus Christ. This would then be in perfect agreement with all other Scripture concerning salvation.
Here is how the verse would read in its proper translation, "Then said Peter unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ ("EIS") BECAUSE OF, the remission of sins..."
In other words, "repent" or "change your mind" about the Christ you crucified with wicked hands (hands of unbelief). (Act_2:23). Receive Him as your Savior; then be baptized, thus publicly identifying yourself with Him in this profession of your faith. There is no contradiction between Act_2:38 and Joh_3:16!
Is There A Contradiction Between Act_2:38 & Joh_3:16?
Question: There is seemingly a contradiction between Act_2:38, which says "... Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ FOR the remission of sins,..."; and, Joh_3:16 which says "...whosoever BELIEVETH in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." Both can't be right! So, what is your answer to this?
Answer: The key to getting the proper understanding of Act_2:38 is found in the little Greek word "eis", translated "for." The Greek "eis" is translated various ways in the New Testament, depending on the context and the usage of the word itself, by demonstrating basis, ground, aim, or purpose.
For example, in 1Co_2:7, "eis doxan hemon" is translated "unto our glory." (KJT). In the RSV, it is translated "for our glory." It is translated thus in demonstrating aim or purpose, that being, our glory. In Mat_12:41, "eis" is translated "at", demonstrating the basis or grounds, that being the preaching of Jonah was the grounds for the repentance of Nineveh. "...because they repented at (or "because of") the preaching of Jonas."
A.T. Robertson, a well-known Greek Scholar, has pointed out that the Greek preposition "eis," translated "for" in the phrase "for the remission of sins," may also mean "because of." An example of this can be found in Luk_11:32, where the text says that the people of Nineveh "...repented at the preaching of Jonas..." The word "at" is a translation of the same Greek term "eis" found in Act_2:38. The people of Jonah's day, you see, did not repent for his preaching; but, because of it.
To quote Dr. John R. Rice, a worthy scholar, from his "Filled With the Spirit, The Book of Acts, A Verse-by-Verse Commentary: "The King James translation of Act_2:38" ' ...be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins...' is unfortunate and inaccurate. The little Greek preposition eis, translated for, is an indefinite preposition of reference. It does not mean in order to. If Peter had commanded the people to be baptized in order to receive the remission of sins, he would have needed to use the Greek preposition hina, which means in order to. He did not.
This little preposition eis, used about 1,800 times in the New Testament in Greek, is variously translated, for, at, toward, unto, into, etc. So it could be translated for, as here, only in the sense of 'on the basis of,' or 'on the ground of,' so Dr. A.T. Robertson explains.
Even in English the preposition for does not necessarily mean in order to. Often for means 'on the basis of,' or 'on the ground of.' Thus one is scolded for being late, or arrested for stealing, or praised for beauty, or rewarded for bravery, or paid for work.
Act_2:38 does not give a new plan of salvation. Act_10:43 says, 'To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.' So Joh_3:36 says, "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life.' So say many other Scriptures. One who trusts in Christ has, immediately, everlasting life."
With this in mind, let us return to Act_2:38 where the Greek "eis" is translated "for" in the KJT and "unto" in the RSV. In these instances,, the Greek "eis" would be incorrectly translated "for and "unto." The correct translation would be "BECAUSE OF," a more accurate rendering. Therefore, in Act_2:38, "eis" is showing the "basis or grounds" for baptism, that being their remission of sins BECAUSE of their belief in Jesus Christ. This would then be in perfect agreement with all other Scripture concerning salvation.
Here is how the verse would read in its proper translation, "Then said Peter unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ ("EIS") BECAUSE OF, the remission of sins..."
In other words, "repent" or "change your mind" about the Christ you crucified with wicked hands (hands of unbelief). (Act_2:23). Receive Him as your Savior; then be baptized, thus publicly identifying yourself with Him in this profession of your faith. There is no contradiction between Act_2:38 and Joh_3:16!
I do not agree with you but even with your understanding it shows that repentance and baptism is a command you must obey....else it is blatant disobedience....because if you believe in Christ you will be baptised....but with with one word you have made the word of God ineffective...You say baptism is a public show...scripture says it is a death burial and resurrection
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
The discussion has been about the kind or type of repentance. I didn't say that the bible teaches that we shouldn't repent. I said repentance from dead works, was for the believer, not the lost.
Once the Spirit of God is in them, He will convict them of sin that they didn't know of and will clean them up, but He has to be in them first. God corrects and chastens His children, not the devil's.
And perhaps I should have defined what I believe the bible says concerning dead works. I believe it would be works of the law. Remember, the Jews were under the law, and if anyone held to the, 'thou shalt nots', of the law, it was the Jews. They didn't need to repent of there works of the law, but their evil ways of unbelief from the heart.
Heb 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Mat 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Repentance allows a person to see, hear, and receive the word of God or the truth of the gospel in their heart.
Repentance is a preparation of the heart for the truth to be planted in good soil. Until one repents from thinking they don't need God, they are good enough to make it to heaven, they are not a bad person, and so on, they will not come to God. In that, they NEED to repent so that they can come to Christ for salvation. Otherwise, they will keep a hard heart, and the word of God will not be able to get rooted in the heart.
But if you are talking about repenting from cheating at cards, drinking, swearing, lying, and the like, though it would be good to turn from those ways, it will not save them if they were to stop doing bad things like that and get baptized. Those things don't save a person. Those are works of the law, or good works.
Even as John the baptist came before Christ to prepare the way for Him through the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins, so it is with repentance in order for Christ to come into our hearts for salvation.
The kind of repentance I believe the bible is talking about is a matter or condition of the heart. When someone turns to God in faith with all their heart and from their old ways of self reliance and such, in that they have humbled themselves, God can then exalt them. Something like that.
Once the Spirit of God is in them, He will convict them of sin that they didn't know of and will clean them up, but He has to be in them first. God corrects and chastens His children, not the devil's.
And perhaps I should have defined what I believe the bible says concerning dead works. I believe it would be works of the law. Remember, the Jews were under the law, and if anyone held to the, 'thou shalt nots', of the law, it was the Jews. They didn't need to repent of there works of the law, but their evil ways of unbelief from the heart.
Heb 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Mat 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Repentance allows a person to see, hear, and receive the word of God or the truth of the gospel in their heart.
Repentance is a preparation of the heart for the truth to be planted in good soil. Until one repents from thinking they don't need God, they are good enough to make it to heaven, they are not a bad person, and so on, they will not come to God. In that, they NEED to repent so that they can come to Christ for salvation. Otherwise, they will keep a hard heart, and the word of God will not be able to get rooted in the heart.
But if you are talking about repenting from cheating at cards, drinking, swearing, lying, and the like, though it would be good to turn from those ways, it will not save them if they were to stop doing bad things like that and get baptized. Those things don't save a person. Those are works of the law, or good works.
Even as John the baptist came before Christ to prepare the way for Him through the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins, so it is with repentance in order for Christ to come into our hearts for salvation.
The kind of repentance I believe the bible is talking about is a matter or condition of the heart. When someone turns to God in faith with all their heart and from their old ways of self reliance and such, in that they have humbled themselves, God can then exalt them. Something like that.