It,s not ok

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Do you still heaven and hell is only in the mind??
No, I don’t think I ever did.

I believe heaven is the life we have when we repent of our sin.

I think hell is the life we have when we don’t repent of our sin.
 
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It's not ok

Again, i believe there are those who only wish to see hell only as a place to justify to still sin on earth. Also in, taken what i am saying out of context in thinking i am saying that there is no hell.

In bring up scripture to edify one another and not clearly just to make a point that a person is right and another is wrong. Cause from what i get out of scripture is, Hell is the absence of God. And when i speak of mind, i'm speaking on spirit. for the bible tells us, to take captive of our thoughts and being lead by the spirit not by our flesh.

As our Lord was on the cross, “And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” (Matthew 27:46). This cry is a fulfillment of Psalm 22:1, one of many parallels between that psalm and the specific events of the crucifixion. It has been difficult to understand in what sense Jesus was “forsaken” by God. It is certain that God approved His work. It is certain that He was innocent. He had done nothing to forfeit the favor of God. As His own Son - holy, harmless, undefiled, and obedient - God still loved Him. In none of these senses could God have forsaken Him.

However, Isaiah tells us that “he bore our griefs and carried our sorrows; that he was wounded for our transgressions, and bruised for our iniquities; that the chastisement of our peace was laid upon him; that by his stripes we are healed” (Isaiah 53:4-5). He redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us (Galatians 3:13). He was made a sin-offering, and He died in our place, on our account, that He might bring us near to God. It was this, doubtless, which caused His intense sufferings. It was the manifestation of God’s hatred of sin, in some way which He has not explained, that Jesus experienced in that terrible hour. It was suffering endured by Him that was due to us, and suffering by which, and by which alone, we can be saved from eternal death.

Eternal death is death with out our Lord. Who is eternal life! Taken the bible as a whole, which is in part edifying us in the spirit of God. Not in making a point to who is right or wrong. For Jesus is the truth and the way. He is all of his word! Not just a scripture.
 
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When I first read in the NT not to say who was going to heaven and who was going to hell settled it for me with being condemning and judgmental. Never in the gospels do we see Jesus pointing out a individual person and declaring to them "you are going to hell" albeit that that is final judgement destination for all who reject God.

Ezekiel 3 was a strong reminder to me that we are to share the gospel, the good news without the threat of condemnation fir Jesus come to save not condemn. Just cause one doesn't turn from his sinful wats that very day doesn't actually seal their judgement, how do I know they will repent or not ever

Iv learnt that, by my understanding given me, I don't know when iv planted a seed or watered one that it would grow, the increase comes from God. Someone could cus in my face for sharing yet unbeknown to me be saved years down the track. So do we condemn them cause they rejected what we shared? May it be far from us to be judgmental.

Whenever I heat one call another a heretic cause they differ on doctrine interpretation only I just dont understand how anyone could. If they deny Jesus as the son of God, even though it's actual heresy do we label and say to them "blasphemy, you heretic"

Love looks beyond the outward appearance and only God knows a man ultimate fate and heart
 
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When I first read in the NT not to say who was going to heaven and who was going to hell settled it for me with being condemning and judgmental. Never in the gospels do we see Jesus pointing out a individual person and declaring to them "you are going to hell" albeit that that is final judgement destination for all who reject God.

Ezekiel 3 was a strong reminder to me that we are to share the gospel, the good news without the threat of condemnation fir Jesus come to save not condemn. Just cause one doesn't turn from his sinful wats that very day doesn't actually seal their judgement, how do I know they will repent or not ever

Iv learnt that, by my understanding given me, I don't know when iv planted a seed or watered one that it would grow, the increase comes from God. Someone could cus in my face for sharing yet unbeknown to me be saved years down the track. So do we condemn them cause they rejected what we shared? May it be far from us to be judgmental.

Whenever I heat one call another a heretic cause they differ on doctrine interpretation only I just dont understand how anyone could. If they deny Jesus as the son of God, even though it's actual heresy do we label and say to them "blasphemy, you heretic"

Love looks beyond the outward appearance and only God knows a man ultimate fate and heart
Amen!

In Sharing the Gospel. The Good News about our Lord, Jesus.
“Son of man, listen carefully and take to heart all the words I speak to you. Go now to your people in exile and speak to them. Say to them, ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says,’ whether they listen or fail to listen.”​
 
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I get where you're coming from. You'd rather focus on God and what God wants you to do and avoid Hell altogether no matter if it is a state of being or a place.
And I understand and Agree. If i might add, We know that Heaven is in our relationship with God. And Hell being the absence of God.

Everyone wants to guard their own name and reputation. But we must resist the tendency to protect and promote ourselves first and instead put God’s name, kingdom and will first.

In heaven there is no disobedience and no obstacles to God’s will; on earth there is disobedience and at least apparent obstacles to His will. The citizens of Jesus’ kingdom will want to see His will done as freely on earth as it is in heaven.

So in everything in which you've said, being the reason in sharing the Gospel as to mention Hell being a place. But then as we look at heaven being a place, we should remember that Jesus' kingdom resides everywhere.

Our Father in heaven, hallowed be Your name. Your kingdom come. Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
 
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And I understand and Agree. If i might add, We know that Heaven is in our relationship with God. And Hell being the absence of God.

Everyone wants to guard their own name and reputation. But we must resist the tendency to protect and promote ourselves first and instead put God’s name, kingdom and will first.

In heaven there is no disobedience and no obstacles to God’s will; on earth there is disobedience and at least apparent obstacles to His will. The citizens of Jesus’ kingdom will want to see His will done as freely on earth as it is in heaven.

So in everything in which you've said, being the reason in sharing the Gospel as to mention Hell being a place. But then as we look at heaven being a place, we should remember that Jesus' kingdom resides everywhere.

Our Father in heaven, hallowed be Your name. Your kingdom come. Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

13And lead (bring) us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.


This is the gospel....
but deliver us from the evil one.

 
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13And lead (bring) us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.


This is the gospel....
but deliver us from the evil one.


I'm praying to my Lord to have me sit still and not continue to respond to you as you keep following and responding to me. For give me father, you being that temptation. But in any case, keep encouraging!​