JESUITS ZIONISTS & CHRISTIAN DISPENSATIONALISTS
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Israel was in Babylonian captivity when this was written. God did exactly what he said he would do. He took them back into their own land, the land that they were exiled from.
God took some of those and put a new spirit in them and took their stony heart away. These converted Jews are God's people. Unsaved Jews are not God's people.
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God took some of those and put a new spirit in them and took their stony heart away. These converted Jews are God's people. Unsaved Jews are not God's people.
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That is not true, At no time since the babylonian dispersion was Isreal completely remoeved from the land (the first time ever was AD 70) and at no time after was Israel completely restored. (every king they had since was a puppet king. they were still slaves of Gentile kingdoms.
God said he would do it to ALL. Not some.
A remnant was always saved, Never have they all been saved.
God said he would do it to ALL. Not some.
A remnant was always saved, Never have they all been saved.
The days are coming,” declares the Lord,“when the reaper will be overtaken by the plowman
and the planter by the one treading grapes.
New wine will drip from the mountains
and flow from all the hills,
[SUP]14 [/SUP] and I will bring my people Israel back from exile.[SUP][f][/SUP]
“They will rebuild the ruined cities and live in them.
They will plant vineyards and drink their wine;
they will make gardens and eat their fruit.
[SUP]15[/SUP]I will plant Israel in their own land,
never again to be uprooted
from the land I have given them,”
says the Lord your God
Amos9:13-15
and the planter by the one treading grapes.
New wine will drip from the mountains
and flow from all the hills,
[SUP]14 [/SUP] and I will bring my people Israel back from exile.[SUP][f][/SUP]
“They will rebuild the ruined cities and live in them.
They will plant vineyards and drink their wine;
they will make gardens and eat their fruit.
[SUP]15[/SUP]I will plant Israel in their own land,
never again to be uprooted
from the land I have given them,”
says the Lord your God
Amos9:13-15
The bible does not say all physical Israel will be saved. I know where you're getting that from.
Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
"All Israel" isn't talking about physical Israel, it's talking about Israel - saved Jews and Israel - saved Gentiles. All Israel both Jews and Gentiles will be saved.
Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
"All Israel" isn't talking about physical Israel, it's talking about Israel - saved Jews and Israel - saved Gentiles. All Israel both Jews and Gentiles will be saved.
This is what the Lord Almighty says: “Many peoples and the inhabitants of many cities will yet come, [SUP]21 [/SUP]and the inhabitants of one city will go to another and say, ‘Let us go at once to entreat the Lord and seek the Lord Almighty. I myself am going.’ [SUP]22 [/SUP]And many peoples and powerful nations will come to Jerusalem to seek the Lord Almighty and to entreat him.”[SUP]23 [/SUP]This is what the Lord Almighty says: “In those days ten people from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, ‘Let us go with you, because we have heard that God is with you.’ Zech 8:20-23
I am going to make Jerusalem a cup that sends all the surrounding peoples reeling. Judah will be besieged as well as Jerusalem. [SUP]3 [/SUP]On that day, when all the nations of the earth are gathered against her, I will make Jerusalem an immovable rock for all the nations. All who try to move it will injure themselves. [SUP]4 [/SUP]On that day I will strike every horse with panic and its rider with madness,” declares the Lord. “I will keep a watchful eye over Judah, but I will blind all the horses of the nations. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Then the clans of Judah will say in their hearts, ‘The people of Jerusalem are strong, because the Lord Almighty is their God.’[SUP]6 [/SUP]“On that day I will make the clans of Judah like a firepot in a woodpile, like a flaming torch among sheaves. They will consume all the surrounding peoples right and left, but Jerusalem will remain intact in her place.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]“The Lord will save the dwellings of Judah first, so that the honor of the house of David and of Jerusalem’s inhabitants may not be greater than that of Judah. [SUP]8 [/SUP]On that day the Lord will shield those who live in Jerusalem, so that the feeblest among them will be like David, and the house of David will be like God, like the angel of the Lord going before them. [SUP]9 [/SUP]On that day I will set out to destroy all the nations that attack Jerusalem.
[h=3]Mourning for the One They Pierced[/h][SUP]10 [/SUP]“And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit[SUP][a][/SUP] of grace and supplication. They will look on[SUP][b][/SUP] me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son. [SUP]11 [/SUP]On that day the weeping in Jerusalem will be as great as the weeping of Hadad Rimmon in the plain of Megiddo. [SUP]12 [/SUP]The land will mourn, each clan by itself, with their wives by themselves: the clan of the house of David and their wives, the clan of the house of Nathan and their wives, [SUP]13 [/SUP]the clan of the house of Levi and their wives, the clan of Shimei and their wives, [SUP]14 [/SUP]and all the rest of the clans and their wives.
[h=4]Zech 12:2-14[/h]
[SUP]7 [/SUP]“The Lord will save the dwellings of Judah first, so that the honor of the house of David and of Jerusalem’s inhabitants may not be greater than that of Judah. [SUP]8 [/SUP]On that day the Lord will shield those who live in Jerusalem, so that the feeblest among them will be like David, and the house of David will be like God, like the angel of the Lord going before them. [SUP]9 [/SUP]On that day I will set out to destroy all the nations that attack Jerusalem.
[h=3]Mourning for the One They Pierced[/h][SUP]10 [/SUP]“And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit[SUP][a][/SUP] of grace and supplication. They will look on[SUP][b][/SUP] me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son. [SUP]11 [/SUP]On that day the weeping in Jerusalem will be as great as the weeping of Hadad Rimmon in the plain of Megiddo. [SUP]12 [/SUP]The land will mourn, each clan by itself, with their wives by themselves: the clan of the house of David and their wives, the clan of the house of Nathan and their wives, [SUP]13 [/SUP]the clan of the house of Levi and their wives, the clan of Shimei and their wives, [SUP]14 [/SUP]and all the rest of the clans and their wives.
[h=4]Zech 12:2-14[/h]
Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, and to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. [SUP]17 [/SUP]If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, they will have no rain. [SUP]18 [/SUP]If the Egyptian people do not go up and take part, they will have no rain. The Lord[SUP][b][/SUP] will bring on them the plague he inflicts on the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. [SUP]19 [/SUP]This will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.[SUP]20 [/SUP]On that day holy to the Lord will be inscribed on the bells of the horses, and the cooking pots in the Lord’s house will be like the sacred bowls in front of the altar. [SUP]21 [/SUP]Every pot in Jerusalem and Judah will be holy to the Lord Almighty, and all who come to sacrifice will take some of the pots and cook in them. And on that day there will no longer be a Canaanite[SUP][c][/SUP] in the house of the Lord Almighty. Zech 14:16-21
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No it is not.
In Rom 11. Paul separates saved Isreal and saved Gentile.
and the, if you look at the particual passage, it proves it is physical isreal.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. [SUP]26 [/SUP]And so all Israel will be saved,[SUP][g][/SUP] as it is written:“The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; [SUP]27 [/SUP]For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins.”[SUP][h][/SUP]
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. [SUP]29 [/SUP]For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
1. They are blind in part (there is a remnant) Never been said of any Gentile
2. They are our enemy concerning the gospel
3. They, even as our enemy, are to be loved concerning Gods promise
It is THEY who will all be saved.
do not buy into the replacement theology lie my friend.
In Rom 11. Paul separates saved Isreal and saved Gentile.
and the, if you look at the particual passage, it proves it is physical isreal.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. [SUP]26 [/SUP]And so all Israel will be saved,[SUP][g][/SUP] as it is written:“The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; [SUP]27 [/SUP]For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins.”[SUP][h][/SUP]
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. [SUP]29 [/SUP]For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
1. They are blind in part (there is a remnant) Never been said of any Gentile
2. They are our enemy concerning the gospel
3. They, even as our enemy, are to be loved concerning Gods promise
It is THEY who will all be saved.
do not buy into the replacement theology lie my friend.
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romans 9:8 concerns the spiritual promise (salvation) and is prove that being a physical jew does not save anyone. (even though some Jews were claiming it did) It has nothing to do with the promise of land given to abraham and all his descendents through Isaac and Jacob.
That is what romans 11 is addressing.
You do not use romans 9 to interpret romans 11. the context is different,
That is what romans 11 is addressing.
You do not use romans 9 to interpret romans 11. the context is different,
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No, He turned his back on Isreal. because they rejected him, just like prophesied.
Even Jesus admitted this.
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[SUP]41 [/SUP]Now as He drew near, He saw the city and wept over it, [SUP]42 [/SUP]saying, “If you had known, even you, especially in this your day, the things that make for your peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes. [SUP]43 [/SUP]For days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment around you, surround you and close you in on every side, [SUP]44 [/SUP]and level you, and your children within you, to the ground; and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not know the time of your visitation.”
Jesus the deliverer came out of Zion and made a new covenant with Israel and took away the sins of those who believed in Him. Was all Israel saved when Jesus came?
Even Jesus admitted this.
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[SUP]41 [/SUP]Now as He drew near, He saw the city and wept over it, [SUP]42 [/SUP]saying, “If you had known, even you, especially in this your day, the things that make for your peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes. [SUP]43 [/SUP]For days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment around you, surround you and close you in on every side, [SUP]44 [/SUP]and level you, and your children within you, to the ground; and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not know the time of your visitation.”
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as far as the prophesies concerning Israel, no.
Did Isreal repent when he came? No
Did Israel get their land back when he came? No
Was Israel restored? No
God made a new covenant with the world when he came. Not Israel. that is what Paul is adressing in romans 9 (oe of the things)
Paul said in romans 11. This new covenant is a future event, Jesus had already come and gone by this time. so how could it have been fulfilled when it was yet future?
I'm confused EG... what is the covenant below? Is this not the New Covenant?
Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
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so, then why did God destroy the city and temple in AD 70 and disperse the children of Isreal all over the world for the first time in the hisoty of Israel if he made that covenant with them then?
Syria did nt completely disperse Isreal. neither did Babylon. More jews still lived in the land of Isreal than were dispersed.
The complete dispersion did not occure until 70 AD.
so why then, if God fulfilled that covenant with them, did he disperse them for their sin?
And why, If God said he would write his law in their hearts, and they would sin no more. did they, and ARE THEY continuing in sin? why are they Blinded in part as paul said in romans 11? etc etc
Syria did nt completely disperse Isreal. neither did Babylon. More jews still lived in the land of Isreal than were dispersed.
The complete dispersion did not occure until 70 AD.
so why then, if God fulfilled that covenant with them, did he disperse them for their sin?
And why, If God said he would write his law in their hearts, and they would sin no more. did they, and ARE THEY continuing in sin? why are they Blinded in part as paul said in romans 11? etc etc