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Jesus4ever

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Hi, dear brothers and sisters!

Please, do not feel offended, brother AceMichaels. I´m sure our brothers and sisters do not intend to offend you.

My friend states that the verses that support this idea are: Matthew 27:56, where James and Joseph from another Mary that is with Mary Magdalene; that Mark 6:3 implies that Jesus is Mary´s only son (because of "...the son of Mary...", that thearticle implies to be a only son) and that John 19:25 states that the same Mary of Matthew 27:56, is His mother´s sister, married to Cleophas.

Thoughts?
 
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p_rehbein

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I didn't know Catholics taught that Jesus had no siblings. That Mary and Joseph had no children together. Hmm..........it is possible that the reason they teach this (if they do) because it serves to keep the "Pure Image" of Mary?
 
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Hi, dear brothers and sisters!

Please, do not feel offended, brother AceMichaels. I´m sure our brothers and sisters do not intend to offend you.

My friend states that the verses that support this idea are: Matthew 27:56, where James and Joseph from another Mary that is with Mary Magdalene; that Mark 6:3 implies that Jesus is Mary´s only son (because of "...the son of Mary...", that thearticle implies to be a only son) and that John 19:25 states that the same Mary of Matthew 27:56, is His mother´s sister, married to Cleophas.

Thoughts?
Here are my thoughts: in John 19:25 we have Mary the mother of Jesus at the foot of the cross. Where are all his brothers and sisters?
We see in Mark 16:40 were they were and also find out who their mother is. She is not Jesus mother, even though her name is Mary
 
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What we must first grab hold of is JESUS is GOD the SON. HE was here from the very beginning. HE was by SPIRIT placed in Mary's womb as a Baby. There is no fleshly tie, but through the bloodline the tribe of Judah HE was to come. The MESSIAH!!!

Joseph and Mary had children sons and daughters. If any of them did not accept JESUS as LORD and SAVIOR they too would not be counted as HIS. So we can not get so caught up on the flesh but our focus is on the SPIRIT. In fact if you do a study on James you will see it took him some time to accept Christianity. I say this to say it is not the connection to Mary nor Joseph but the connection to CHRIST that makes one related to HIM. Then and only then can one be counted as a son or daughter and the sons and daughters are brothers and sisters.


Blessings!!!!!!!
 

Jesus4ever

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Here are my thoughts: in John 19:25 we have Mary the mother of Jesus at the foot of the cross. Where are all his brothers and sisters?
We see in Mark 16:40 were they were and also find out who their mother is. She is not Jesus mother, even though her name is Mary
Sorry, brother...Mark 16:40???
 
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I didn't know Catholics taught that Jesus had no siblings. That Mary and Joseph had no children together. Hmm..........it is possible that the reason they teach this (if they do) because it serves to keep the "Pure Image" of Mary?
Yes sir they do. I believe there is biblical evidence to support the claim
 

crossnote

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Yes sir they do. I believe there is biblical evidence to support the claim
Please show us.
I've already shown that brother and sister are different Greek words than the word for cousin.
 
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No, Rather there has been a strong Roman Catholic brainwashing on this topic here, and they do make up stuff outside Scripture to pad the heretical pet doctrines like the Perpetual Virginity of Mary. Hogwash.
You need to show up in the Bible Study chat room. Just sayin................
 

crossnote

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Here are my thoughts: in John 19:25 we have Mary the mother of Jesus at the foot of the cross. Where are all his brothers and sisters?
We see in Mark 16:40 were they were and also find out who their mother is. She is not Jesus mother, even though her name is Mary
I already did a few posts ago
That's proof?Just because the brothers and sisters weren't mentioned doesn't mean they weren't there, nor does it mean they didn't exist.
'Brothers and sisters' of Jesus were mentioned elsewhere using a different Greek word than for 'cousin' Elizabeth. If cousins were meant instead of brothers and sisters, why didn't they use the word for cousin?
It's your turn to refute my case.
 
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That's proof?Just because the brothers and sisters weren't mentioned doesn't mean they weren't there, nor does it mean they didn't exist.
'Brothers and sisters' of Jesus were mentioned elsewhere using a different Greek word than for 'cousin' Elizabeth. If cousins were meant instead of brothers and sisters, why didn't they use the word for cousin?
It's your turn to refute my case.
As far as I know that was the only time these relatives were mentioned. Could be or couldn't be.

Just ponndering here, but wouldn't some like the "sisters" follow their mother at least?
Did all these brothers and sisters say " Ma is out wandering with Jesus! I guess she's ok!" Just being funny or tryin
 
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James and Jude are the half brothers of Jesus......
 
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"And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures," (Luke 24:44-45)

When it comes to learning about Jesus, we are by no means limited to the New Testament scriptures. There is much written about Christ in the law of Moses (the first five books of the Old Testament), in the prophets (major and minor) and in the psalms. In this post, I'll address some things which were written of Christ in the 69th psalm:

"Save me, O God; for the waters are come in unto my soul. I sink in deep mire, where there is no standing: I am come into deep waters, where the floods overflow me. I am weary of my crying: my throat is dried: mine eyes fail while I wait for my God. They that hate me without a cause are more than the hairs of mine head: they that would destroy me, being mine enemies wrongfully, are mighty: then I restored that which I took not away. O God, thou knowest my foolishness; and my sins are not hid from thee. Let not them that wait on thee, O Lord GOD of hosts, be ashamed for my sake: let not those that seek thee be confounded for my sake, O God of Israel. Because for thy sake I have borne reproach; shame hath covered my face.
I am become a stranger unto my brethren, and an alien unto my mother's children. For the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up; and the reproaches of them that reproached thee are fallen upon me." (Psalm 69:1-9)

You may recall that Jesus said:

"If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father. But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause." (John 15:24-25)

Jesus said that it was written of Him that "they hated me without a cause" and this was written in Psalm 69:4. You may also recall the following from John's gospel:

"And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem, And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting: And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables; And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise. And his disciples remembered that it was written, The zeal of thine house hath eaten me up." (John 2:13-17)

When Jesus drove the money changers out of the temple, His disciples remembered that it had been written in regard to Him "the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up" and this was written in Psalm 69:9. The Apostle Paul also attributed the second half of Psalm 69:9 to Christ when he wrote:

"For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me." (Romans 15:3)

Having established that Psalm 69:4 and Psalm 69:9 are prophetic references to Jesus, let's now look at Psalm 69:8-9 again:

"I am become a stranger unto my brethren, and an alien unto my mother's children. For the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up; and the reproaches of them that reproached thee are fallen upon me." (Psalm 69:8-9)

Notice how verses 8 and 9 are joined together by the word "for" or "because". IOW, verse 9, which is clearly twice speaking of Christ as I've just documented is giving the "cause" ("for" or "because") for what was said in regard to Christ in verse 8:

"I am become a stranger unto MY BRETHREN, and an alien unto MY MOTHER'S CHILDREN." (Psalm 69:8)

Jesus' "BRETHREN" were "MY MOTHER'S CHILDREN". They weren't his "cousins" and Mary wasn't a perpetual virgin no matter what any Roman Catholic or Eastern Orthodox tells you.
 
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There has never been a good answer for me as to why Jesus's "family" abandoned him during his ministry. I finally got my answer. There was no family. It was Jesus and Mary and that's it. We don't know when Joseph died, but we know it was before Jesus ministry. I find it hard to believe his "brothers and sisters " did not follow him in his ministry as his mother did.
John 7:1-7
1After this Jesus went about in Galilee. He would not go about in Judea, because the Jews[SUP]a[/SUP] were seeking to kill him. 2Now the Jews’ Feast of Booths was at hand. 3So his brothers[SUP]b[/SUP] said to him, “Leave here and go to Judea, that your disciples also may see the works you are doing. 4For no one works in secret if he seeks to be known openly. If you do these things, show yourself to the world.” 5For not even his brothers believed in him. 6Jesus said to them, “My time has not yet come, but your time is always here. 7The world cannot hate you, but it hates me because I testify about it that its works are evil.
 
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Ok, does not say it was Peter.........so...............

John 19:25) 25 .) Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene.
26 .) When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!
27 .) Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.
I believe it was John.
 
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Mark 6:3 (KJV) Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.

Word twisting to believe otherwise.
And he went out from thence, and came into his own country; and his disciples follow him. [SUP]2 [/SUP]And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing him were astonished, saying, From whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands?
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But Jesus, said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house(Mark 6:1-4).

It is obvious that Mary had children,and Jesus had brothers,and sisters,by the way the crowd acted towards Jesus,for they were looking at Jesus as an ordinary man,that grew up in an ordinary family,with a mother,and father(for they did not know that God was His Father),and brothers,and sisters,so how can this be the Messiah.

That is why Jesus said that a prophet is not without honor,except in his own country,because in the nation of Israel,they all grew up with the same teachings,principles,and traditions,so for Jesus to be saying something different that they never heard before,they will think He is lying.But if a person were to go to another country and preach,they might think that he has something to offer seeing people learn different things,in different nations.


Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed?
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not(Isaiah 53:1-3).


I believe God wanted it that way,for Jesus to grow up in a family,and experience a normal life,like everyone else,which is why Jesus spoke in parables,for only the spirutally hungry could understand,so for the Messiah to appear as nothing out of the ordinary,except in His teachings and lifestyle,only the spiritually hungry would look past the ordinary of Him and see the truth.

The only logical reasoning why the Roman Catholic Church says that Mary was born without original sin,and no personal sin was attached to her,is because they cannot believe that an ordinary woman could give birth to Jesus,who is God manifest in the flesh,and the greatest human being that ever lived.

The only logical reasoning why the Roman Catholic Church says that Jesus did not have any brothers,and sisters,is because they cannot believe that any other children could come from Mary because she gave birth to Jesus,who is God manifest in the flesh,and the greatest human being that ever lived.

It is like they think if Mary was an ordinary woman it would reduce the specialty of Jesus,and diminish His qualities,but it does not matter if Mary had children after Jesus,as long as Jesus came first and no children came before Jesus,but if there is children after Jesus then it does not matter for Jesus came first from a virgin,it does not take anything away from Him.But if God wanted Jesus to be third in children of Mary it would not take away anything from Him,but it could not be because Jesus had to be born from a woman that never had sex,because God is pure and that birth must be pure.

And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren(Luke 1:36).

And her neighbours and her cousins heard how the Lord had shewed great mercy upon her; and they rejoiced with her(Luke 1:58).

They say when the Bible says brothers of Jesus,it means cousins,but the only way the Bible would say brothers,is if they did not use the word cousins in the Bible,but since they use the word cousins,then if they were cousins,the Bible would have called them cousins,not brothers.

For there is no man that doeth any thing in secret, and he himself seeketh to be known openly. If thou do these things, shew thyself to the world.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For neither did his brethren believe in him(John 7:4-5).

If they say brothers means in a spiritual sense to avoid Mary having children after Jesus,this scripture testifies against it,for it says His brethren did not believe in Him,so if it is talking in a spiritual sense,they would of believed in Him,so it is obvious that it is His natural brothers.

So whether they say brothers means cousins,the Bible testifies against it,or if they say brothers means in a spiritual sense,the Bible testifies against it.
 
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When Jesus saw his mother and the disciple whom he loved standing beside her, he said to his mother, “Woman, here is your son.”
Then he said to the disciple, “Here is your mother.” And from that hour the disciple took her into his own home.

- John 19

Well,
All those supposed blood brothers and sisters must have been quite offended then when on His cross their big brother Jesus gave their own mother to John and she went and lived with John instead of with any of her supposed many other children, as would have certainly happened if she had other children.

How then do you explain her living with John after the crucifixion instead of with any of her supposed many adult children? Makes no sense, actually, and would go utterly contrary to Jewish custom.

Jesus had no blood brothers or sisters.
 
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There has never been a good answer for me as to why Jesus's "family" abandoned him during his ministry. I finally got my answer. There was no family. It was Jesus and Mary and that's it. We don't know when Joseph died, but we know it was before Jesus ministry. I find it hard to believe his "brothers and sisters " did not follow him in his ministry as his mother did.
Actually, if you read you will see that the brothers of Jesus did not believe until after his resurrection and at least two of them (James and Jude) wrote N.T. letters...