Jesus: God in Flesh?

[garee]

As far as I am concerned this is idle speculation at its worst!
Why not ask how many angel can dance on a pinhead?

Its all speculation but.I would of hoped I could of walked by faith, the unseen rather than that seen the temporal flesh that was corruptible and died when Christ of his own volition gave up the Spirit that returned to the father. After the one time demonstration of a spiritual work pouring out His Spirit life was over. Although some did know Christ, the anointing Holy Spirit of God after that manner , as the Son of man, Jesus in the temporal flesh rejected worship... saying only God is good.

Therefore giving the unseen glory to him as those who walked by the exclusive faith of God, in Christ... even before the demonstration..

But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 2Ti 3:14

Timothy in the above verse is one example of one who has become familiar with the faith of God coming from the scriptures. He could have been one that simply continued to walk by the same faith that was given him as a child .while other like Thomas called the unfaithful needed to walk by sight.

Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. Joh 20:27

But because the one time demonstration was over Christ left us a loving warning not to look for God again to demonstrate his invisible work of pouring out his Spirit life forever more.

Wherefore henceforth know we no man “after the flesh”: yea, though we have known “Christ after the flesh”, yet now henceforth know we him "no more".Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new2Co 5:16

 

[DP]

i don't think the question of whether Christ is God in the flesh or not is 'unimportant'. . .

It's actually the very point John was making in 1 John 2. And it was the very point the scribes and Pharisees sought to kill Jesus for, because there He was in the flesh so they figured it impossible for Him to be God.

 

[LaurenTM]

As far as I am concerned this is idle speculation at its worst!
Why not ask how many angel can dance on a pinhead?

LOL!

Medieval times/Medieval questions

Did they ever answer that?

 

[blue_ladybug]

You are asking others to indulge in idle speculation.

At your own admission this is not important.
Surely there are much more important and constructive issues to examine.

pwrnJC, is this you? You sound exactly like him. :/ As resurrection said, it is NOT speculation, it is a question. Questions deserve a good answer.

 

[notuptome]

The short answer is yes. God demands perfect obedience and only God can be perfectly obedient. Jesus was made in the likeness of sinful flesh but without sin. Jesus is the promised Redeemer of Isaiah 9:6-7.

It is important that we know Jesus as God because in Romans 1 we see what happens when men change Jesus into something lesser.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[resurrection33]

Well I guess I have a different view. I think it is exceedingly important to recognize Jesus as not JUST divine, but God in the Flesh. That is my first issue. It's kind of a deal breaker. My second issue is I am a human being born INTIALLY under one man's disobedience, Adam. Therefore, I would do everything differently, and it would be wrong. Jesus did it perfectly, anything else is just wrong. I am new, and I am actually fun. I just think...eh, this is not appropriate. ok. I will indulge for a second....I would have strung up Caiaphas.

You and I believe that Jesus is God in flesh. Others view him as the Son of God. I was trying to, on the one hand, suggest that people who disagree on this issue can still be friends, while on the other hand, submit evidence that Jesus really is God in flesh.

 

[resurrection33]

Um. That's kind of necessary if you want to call yourself a Christian. Also, if Jesus is divine but not God, that makes God a liar when His Word says that there is only ONE God. And we know that God is Truth. So...

I agree that Jesus is God in flesh, but the Bible does refer to him as the Son of God, which suggests to some that Jesus is a different person than God. I can see their argument.

The problem I have with God and Jesus being two different people is that I walk with God, and God alone. I don’t worship two beings. I don’t pray to two beings. My relationship is with one being – our Father in heaven.

 

[resurrection33]

It's important to know that Apostle's John's description of one being an antichrist is to refuse to believe that Jesus is The Christ. Breaking that statement down, it means to deny that God The Son, The Christ came in the flesh as Jesus of Nazareth.

1 John 2:22-23
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
KJV

Furthermore, only God has power to forgive our sins. If Jesus were not God even when He died on the cross for our sins, then it would mean His sacrifice for sin meant nothing and none of us can be saved through His Blood. Now who would want us to believe that? The Devil, of course.

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I think everyone on this site believes Jesus is Christ. The disagreement comes from determining if Jesus is God in flesh or if Jesus is the Son of God.

Jesus, whether he be God in flesh or whether he be the Son of God, knew that God had forgiven people of their sins.

 

[resurrection33]

i don't think the question of whether Christ is God in the flesh or not is 'unimportant'. . .








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I don't think we need to be divided over whether or not Jesus was God in flesh, or whether he was the Son of God. Both groups can make a case for themselves. I believe Jesus is God in flesh but I can understand why others believe as they do.

 

[Sac49]

In the OP you state that the argument of Jesus being God is not an important argument. Actually it is one of the most important arguments. If Jesus is not God then anything and evetything He did is unimportant. Without Jesus being God His desth and ressurection meens nothing. The Jehovahs Witness do not believe Jesus is God and look how messed up their beliefs are. If Jesus is not God then my faith in Jesus means nothing because then i am putting my faith in something other than God. So yes that is actually a very important argument.

As far as your other question...well i dont think it could have been done any different because Gods plans and the way He does things is already perfect. I do think thpugh thst it is good for us to sometimes think "outside the box" because then God can teach us in a way we never thought of. I think that is healthy for our growth in Christ. I have a saying "there are no dumb questions only those not asked" if we dont question then we cannot learn.

 

[resurrection33]

In the OP you state that the argument of Jesus being God is not an important argument. Actually it is one of the most important arguments. If Jesus is not God then anything and evetything He did is unimportant. Without Jesus being God His desth and ressurection meens nothing. The Jehovahs Witness do not believe Jesus is God and look how messed up their beliefs are. If Jesus is not God then my faith in Jesus means nothing because then i am putting my faith in something other than God. So yes that is actually a very important argument.

As far as your other question...well i dont think it could have been done any different because Gods plans and the way He does things is already perfect. I do think thpugh thst it is good for us to sometimes think "outside the box" because then God can teach us in a way we never thought of. I think that is healthy for our growth in Christ. I have a saying "there are no dumb questions only those not asked" if we dont question then we cannot learn.

You misquoted me.

All of us believe Jesus is Christ.

However, some of us believe he is God in flesh, while others believe he is the Son of God. I happen to believe he is God in flesh, but I can see the other argument – the Bible does refer to him as the Son of God.

 

[Sac49]

He is both God in the flesh and the Son of God. It is the same thing but some people take "the Son of God" and change it too "the son of God". As in "created" by God. Huge huge difference here. One is created the other is and always was. So yes that is a very important argument.

 

[kaylagrl]

It seems to me a lot of us believe Jesus Christ was (is) God in flesh, and then, there are others who do not. (They think he is divine, but they don’t think he is the same person as God.)

I don’t think this is a terribly important argument, since we all believe Jesus is our Lord, but let me ask you this: If you were God and decided to come down to earth as a human being, what would you have done differently than Jesus?

I wouldn't have done anything differently. I'd say being whipped, beaten with nails and thorns shoved into your body to die for sins you did not comment is perfection. Nothing can be done that is more perfect than that.Why change a thing?

 

[mpaper345]

[SUP]6 [/SUP]For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this(Isaiah 9:6-7).


[SUP]4 [/SUP]Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened, and the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Then shall the lame man leap as an hart, and the tongue of the dumb sing: for in the wilderness shall waters break out, and streams in the desert(Isaiah 53:4-6).

[SUP]10 [/SUP]Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour(Isaiah 43:10-11).

[SUP]5 [/SUP]Now therefore, what have I here, saith the Lord, that my people is taken away for nought? they that rule over them make them to howl, saith the Lord; and my name continually every day is blasphemed.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I(Isaiah 52:5-6).

Behold, the Lord's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For our transgressions are multiplied before thee, and our sins testify against us: for our transgressions are with us; and as for our iniquities, we know them;
[SUP]13 [/SUP]In transgressing and lying against the Lord, and departing away from our God, speaking oppression and revolt, conceiving and uttering from the heart words of falsehood.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And judgment is turned away backward, and justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the Lord saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloak(Isaiah 59:1-17).

[SUP]11 [/SUP]The Lord hath sworn in truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne(Psalm 132:11).

[SUP]2 [/SUP]But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting(Micah 5:2).

[SUP]16 [/SUP]And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory(1 Timothy 3:16).

[SUP]8 [/SUP]Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power(Colossians 2:8-10).

[SUP]6 [/SUP]One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all(Ephesians 4:6).
[SUP]
14 [/SUP]That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen(1 Timothy 6:14-16).

Jesus is God manifest in the flesh,which means God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus,and the Spirit in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God,for God cannot be separated,and God is in all,and through all,which the man Christ Jesus is the personal human body of God,now a glorified body,which the throne in heaven,is the throne of both God and the Lamb,God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus,and God's visible relationship to the saints forever.

Jesus at the right hand of God is only a temporary role,until His enemies are conquered,then the Son shall submit to the Father,that God may be all in all,which the only person we will see in heaven is Jesus,the only visible manifestation of God,which the Bible says there is one throne in heaven,and one who sits on that throne,not two thrones,and it is the throne of both God and the Lamb.

 

[resurrection33]

He is both God in the flesh and the Son of God. It is the same thing but some people take "the Son of God" and change it too "the son of God". As in "created" by God. Huge huge difference here. One is created the other is and always was. So yes that is a very important argument.

I think everyone here believes Jesus is divine.

 

[Sac49]

Unfortunately not everyone here thinks Jesus is divine. Obviously you and I do but you would be quite surprised on the amount of people here who dont believe that.

 

[John146]

It seems to me a lot of us believe Jesus Christ was (is) God in flesh, and then, there are others who do not. (They think he is divine, but they don’t think he is the same person as God.)

I don’t think this is a terribly important argument, since we all believe Jesus is our Lord, but let me ask you this: If you were God and decided to come down to earth as a human being, what would you have done differently than Jesus?

I know the Lord's timing is perfect(fullness of times), but I may have not waited 4,000 years after the promise of the seed to finally send the seed to redeem man's sin.

 

[jaybird88]

You misquoted me.

All of us believe Jesus is Christ.

However, some of us believe he is God in flesh, while others believe he is the Son of God. I happen to believe he is God in flesh, but I can see the other argument – the Bible does refer to him as the Son of God.

i believe Jesus is Christ, the Son sent from the Father. but as to the true specifics of His nature, i really dont know. i think the apostles creed makes it clear enough that its not that big of a deal.

 

[Church2u2]

John 20:16 Jesus said to her "Mary!" She turned and said to Him ,"Rabboni" (which is to say,Teacher). 17 Jesus said to her ,"Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father;but go to My brethren And say to them ,I am ascending to My Father and your Father ,and to My God and your God", 18 Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that He had spoken these things to her.

 

[Church2u2]

Acts 7:55 but he (Stephen )being full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God, 56 and said " Look!I see the heavens opened And the Son of Man standing at the right hand if God!"