JESUS IS WILLING, BE HEALED!

[Dan58]

Dan
If He says those who believe can do these things and greater does that make Him a lier?

God showed me early in my journey I had only accepted the Lord a week before and was taking care of a man who had a stroke. I knew nothing about Christianity then but was reading the bible one night and shared what I was reading with Sam. After I was finished I asked Sam if he could believe in Jesus if He could heal him, after a long pause I looked at Sam and as he looked up to me he said yes and with tears in his eyes I asked him what was the matter? He said to me he was healed!

These tears were tears of Joy as we both rejoiced in what the Lord had done his withered left side was completely restored.

This is Gill's commentary of John 14:12; "Having mentioned his miracles as proofs of his deity, he assures his disciples, in order to comfort them under the loss of his bodily presence, that they should do the same, and greater works; for we are not to understand these words of everyone that believes in Christ, of every private believer in him, but only of the apostles".

I'm not saying God does not heal or answer prayers, I'm saying that the authority given to the apostles was for a specific purpose and time, and not given to everyone. You obviously believe your a healer too? If I give you the name of a faithful Christian who needs healing, will you do for her what you did for Sam? I'll definitely change my point of view and interpretation of scripture upon confirmation of such a miracle.

 

[Dan58]

Brother, I know your perspective on this. This was the perspective taught to me by the one who led me to Jesus many years ago. He taught me that miracles were only for the Apostles and the early church. It is a wrong teaching. It's a teaching that gets license in a society where the church is, sadly, often weak and powerless. Why would you believe otherwise? Except for one thing, the bible indicates otherwise.

You came to faith in Jesus by a leap of faith, believing in a Jesus you have never seen in the flesh. The Christian life is a journey of faith and through that faith discovery. Please at least take a humble, fall back stance of, "OK, I have never experienced this myself, but that doesn't mean it is not possible, so I'm just gonna keep an open mind." If you speak out against it, you could be in danger of quenching The Spirit. Not good my friend.

I obviously believe its a correct teaching (interpretation). I don't believe everyone has the same authority given to the apostles, and I've seen no evidence that proves otherwise. Again, I'm not saying God does not intervene, answer prayers, or is incapable of performing miracles today, I'm just saying that the miraculous miracles performed by Christ and those he commissioned simply don't exist today. These gifts were given as a sign, for a witness to establish the authority of whom the apostles preached. As mentioned, the proof is in the pudding, and I don't believe these mystical healers exist today. My faith is solid, but its in Christ, not some self-anointed charlatan pulling some old woman out of a wheel chair and claiming he works miracles. That to me is just nonsense and not biblical. Who needs to come by faith if proof is demonstrated on a church stage every Sunday?

 

[Miri]

Interesting thread, I must admit I don't understand the why and
the why nots fully, I only know healings do take place, I have experienced
this myself and I have seen others healed also. I know some healings
which have taken place instantly and others which have happened
gradually. I have also had problems which still persist and others which
have been healed.

I suspect a lack of healing is linked to a lack of faith or a wrong way
of claiming our authority in knowing who we are in Christ. Or of
not understanding God's timing.

I think sometimes we can claim and hold onto illness. A friend of mine
had diabeties. For a long time she use to tell people "I am diabetic" then
after praying and reading verses about healing in the bible she felt God
was telling her that she is not diabetic that she should not hold onto her
disease, that rather she is a person who happens to have diabeties, but
she is not diabetic. The difference is that she was owning the illness.
That was a while ago, now I can tell you all that she is no longer a person
with diabetes!

A few years ago I developed a painful hard bony lump at the base of a finger,
it definitely was not just a blister, it felt hard and seemed to be a joint
problem. After a month it was getting worse and I had just about got to the
point of going to the doctor, when instead I decided to pray about it.
I prayed scripture over my finger and was so determined that I had been
healed that I decided I was not even going to think about it any more.
A week later I realised the lump had completely gone and it has never
come back!

10 years ago I had Graves' disease. That entailed 3.5 years of going to
hospital for blood tests every 6 weeks - very frustrating. Eventually I
got sick and tired of being sick and tired and decided I was going to
believe God for healing no matter what. At the very next appointment my
doctor said the bloodwork was more stable than it had ever been before!
From that point onwards things continued to improve and 6 months later I
was discharged and free of the disease - that was a gradual healing but the
starting point was that pray time.

On the other hand I have had an eye problem for three years, but I have
never really got to grips with it and prayed about it with any great
conviction. It's one of thise niggley things which it is possible to live
with and is not that great a deal. Maybe I need to pray onto this more
and not learn to live with it.

I have seen bad backs healed instantly in my church.

On the other hand I know a woman who was in an accident and ended
up quadriplegic. there was prayer for healing and she gradually got
sensation and movement in her legs a year later. It took another two years to
get full sensation, feeling and full movement back in her upper body.
For a long time she wondered why God had healed her legs, but left the rest of
her body for so long. During a quite time with God, she said she felt God was
saying to her that she was only interested in the healing of her body. But God
was more interested in the healing of her mind and spirit. During that time in the
wheel chair she said she learned about patience, faith, humility, to take one day
at a time. etc. Then God healed her fully. This woman by the way is a top
scientist and physicist who is trained to question everything and she herself
testifies that before the accident she was a Christian but use to put God in
a box.

See also the following link to a recent testimony I posted on CC.


http://christianchat.com/testimonies/126117-miraculous-healing-80-year-old.html

 

[Grace777x70]

Wow...great testimony!..thanks for sharing with us.

Interesting thread, I must admit I don't understand the why and
the why nots fully, I only know healings do take place, I have experienced
this myself and I have seen others healed also. I know some healings
which have taken place instantly and others which have happened
gradually. I have also had problems which still persist and others which
have been healed.

I suspect a lack of healing is linked to a lack of faith or a wrong way
of claiming our authority in knowing who we are in Christ. Or of
not understanding God's timing.

I think sometimes we can claim and hold onto illness. A friend of mine
had diabeties. For a long time she use to tell people "I am diabetic" then
after praying and reading verses about healing in the bible she felt God
was telling her that she is not diabetic that she should not hold onto her
disease, that rather she is a person who happens to have diabeties, but
she is not diabetic. The difference is that she was owning the illness.
That was a while ago, now I can tell you all that she is no longer a person
with diabetes!

A few years ago I developed a painful hard bony lump at the base of a finger,
it definitely was not just a blister, it felt hard and seemed to be a joint
problem. After a month it was getting worse and I had just about got to the
point of going to the doctor, when instead I decided to pray about it.
I prayed scripture over my finger and was so determined that I had been
healed that I decided I was not even going to think about it any more.
A week later I realised the lump had completely gone and it has never
come back!

10 years ago I had Graves' disease. That entailed 3.5 years of going to
hospital for blood tests every 6 weeks - very frustrating. Eventually I
got sick and tired of being sick and tired and decided I was going to
believe God for healing no matter what. At the very next appointment my
doctor said the bloodwork was more stable than it had ever been before!
From that point onwards things continued to improve and 6 months later I
was discharged and free of the disease - that was a gradual healing but the
starting point was that pray time.

On the other hand I have had an eye problem for three years, but I have
never really got to grips with it and prayed about it with any great
conviction. It's one of thise niggley things which it is possible to live
with and is not that great a deal. Maybe I need to pray onto this more
and not learn to live with it.

I have seen bad backs healed instantly in my church.

On the other hand I know a woman who was in an accident and ended
up quadriplegic. there was prayer for healing and she gradually got
sensation and movement in her legs a year later. It took another two years to
get full sensation, feeling and full movement back in her upper body.
For a long time she wondered why God had healed her legs, but left the rest of
her body for so long. During a quite time with God, she said she felt God was
saying to her that she was only interested in the healing of her body. But God
was more interested in the healing of her mind and spirit. During that time in the
wheel chair she said she learned about patience, faith, humility, to take one day
at a time. etc. Then God healed her fully. This woman by the way is a top
scientist and physicist who is trained to question everything and she herself
testifies that before the accident she was a Christian but use to put God in
a box.

See also the following link to a recent testimony I posted on CC.


http://christianchat.com/testimonies/126117-miraculous-healing-80-year-old.html

 

[valiant]

I'd like to see you try back up saying that satan and the people believing his lies do not rule this world.

He has made this Jesus Whom you crucified both LORD and MESSIAH. The only person who claimed to rule the world was SATAN. But he was defeated at the cross and resurrection.

There is disease, death, war, hunger.
Not Jesus nor God himself is actively ruling at this time on earth or they have gotten ill themselves.
Your statement goes against the bible as well as common sense.

The Bible says JESUS rules (also Rev 1.5). Disease, war and hunger are the consequence of sinful man IN REBELLION

As for the new bodies... There are many people who will survive and then yes, there are also those that will be resurrected with new bodies.

all will receive new bodies, the living and the dead (1 Thess 4.13-21)

The bible does not say that earth will be destroyed nor that everyone will die.

Heaven and earth will pass away, but MY WORD will not pass away

 

[un2him]

Dan have you read about Philip in Acts chapter 8 ? Do you understand the story of Simon he was a great sorcer there and understood what the laying on of hands would mean for him. If philip had laid his hands upon him he to would have the Spirit with power to heal.

Why then is it so hard for you to believe if we are given this same Spirit that reserected Christ from the grave then we to can lay hands on the sick and they shall recover. Johnathan lake taught this and thousands were held, Frances and Charles Hunter traveled the world and thousands were taught this and thousands more were heals.


Are there Simons out there probably the enemy is very cleaver but for ypour own sake learn the truth and be set free you seem so angry.

 

[un2him]

One more thought to ponder Mark 9:37-40 Jesus says whosoever shall receive one such children in my name recieveth me, and whosoever shall receive me, receivety not me, but him that sent me. And John answered him saying Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followed not us: and we forbid him, because he followed us not. But Jesus said forbid him not, for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me. For he that is not against us is on our part.

 

[jb]

JESUS IS WILLING, BE HEALED!

You can find a few thoughts on healing from the Trinity Here

 

[blue_ladybug]

Happy Valentine's Day.. I had a feeling the spam trolls would strike today, and sure enough, pages 1-4 in this forum are plastered with spam threads.. Love spells.. :/ lol

 

[20]

Many of us are so curious about this topic.We can find more information on this way in next verses; Why of some Christians are got sick? When we break His blood covenant with us. 1Corinthians11;26-32, 26. For as often as you eat this bread, and drink this cup, you do shew the Lord's death till He come.27.Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cap of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the Body and Blood of the Lord.28.But let man examine himself, and let him eat of the bread, and drink of that cup.29. For he eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's Body.30.For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.31. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.32.But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the word.; Lord's use our sickness to point it on our sin. James5;16,16.Confess you faults one to another, and pray one for another, that you may be healed.The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.; What kind of confession we're have to do? It's not enough to say, forgive me Lord, Please!, Possibly, Man of God are going ask you many questions from yours past.Sometimes its look like to somebody to wash your's underwear.It's bad motivations, unforgiveness, unfilled promises, hidden thoughts, and much more. It's very personal conversation.Lord's just the lead Him on this way. In some cases, He can say you what you have to confess without talk to Him.This kind of Gods children, never live you along without Lord's result.Of course, Father is so kind.He's going reward you for you's personal openness to Him.He'll renew your's emotions.He give you clean fillings and much more. Who can perform this kind of healing in the name of Jesus? 1Corinthians12;8-11,8.

 

[20]

Why we got sick? It's going another option of this answer.It's will of God for some of His children.KJV.2Corinthians12;7-10,7.And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.8.For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.9.And He said into me, My grace is sufficient for thee; for my strength is made perfect in weakness.Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.10.Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distress for Christ sake; for when I am weak, then am I strong.; His sickness was visible for the another people and He was not ashamed on this way.KJV. Galatians4;13-14,13.You know through infirmity of the flesh I preached the Gospel unto you at the first.14.And my temptation which was in my flesh you dospised not,nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.

 

[Willie-T]

Your god is weak if he wants something but can't get what he wants without the aid of humans. Yes, God can heal. Yes, God has healed. He's healed me before. He's healed hubby before. And yet, I am disabled and hubby is in the hospital following a massive heart attach and then one complication after another afterward.

Yes, God will heal, but not necessarily every physically sick person who is adopted by him. At least, not on earth and not today. He has purpose in this suffering, just as he has purpose in healing some. He did NOT sleep on the job and forget to notice some sickness or accident caused one of his kids to get physically hurt.

And he is not impeded by humans if he wants to cure someone either.

I give you one of two choices:
1. Come to the VA hospital in Philly and have God instantly heal my husband.
or
2. Shut up!

There is enough pain in life without having someone pressing this lie as gospel.

Just a question for you to think about. Which of your friends has come to the hospital to pray specifically for your husband's healing?

 

[wolfwint]

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[TD="colspan: 3, align: left"]Do you know that it is God’s will for you to be healed? In fact, Jesus always healed the sick who came to Him. The blind, lame, maimed, mute, deaf and demon-possessed—He healed them all! (Matthew 8:16)

The Bible says that he who has seen Jesus has seen the Father. (John 14:9) You want to see what God is like? Look at Jesus! He never gave sickness to anybody. You never find Jesus looking at a person, a fine specimen of a man, and saying, “Come here. You are too healthy. Receive some leprosy!” In fact, when a leper came to Him for healing, Jesus, full of compassion, told the leper, “I am willing; be cleansed.”

Unfortunately, there are some Christians who say, “It is God’s will for me to be sick. God has some purpose, some mysterious purpose for my situation. It is all part of His divine plan and we shall all know in the sweet by and by, the reason why!” But these same people go to their doctors to get well. They take their medication and rest. Why do they do that if they really believe that God wants them sick? Doesn’t make sense, does it?

Come on, what makes perfect sense is this: God wants you well. He wants you whole. His will is for you to be healed! In fact, He is so willing that He took all your sicknesses and diseases upon His own body, so that you don’t have to suffer them today! He allowed Himself to be beaten and scourged, so that by His scourging—by His stripes—you are healed! (Isaiah 53:5) Since He has already suffered the sickness on your behalf, why should you suffer it today?

So my friend, if you are sick, know that God did not give you the disease. Read every healing miracle that Jesus did in the Gospels and see how Jesus is the Lord who heals you. (Exodus 15:26) Hear His gracious words, “I am willing, be healed,” and know that they are as much for you today as they were for the leper!

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Sorry brother, this is a false gospel for today!
If you are speaking from physical healing which heals us from deseases and handycaps which struggle mankind since God cursed Adam and Eva?
To be healed from our deseases is only relevant for us, if we got healed while we live in our present body. When we are with the Lord in heaven and have our new eternaly body this is no more relevant to be healed or not, because we cant die anymore.
The bible says Jesus came to earth not for to heal the mankind physically. He came for to set us free from the curse and penalty of sin and for to gave us back the relationship with God the father which Adam and Eve had before sinning. All people which Jesus healed during his service on earth, died. If they were not killed through accident, other people ore suicide they almost died because of deseases and weakness of the body. And also all healing we will receive today, is temporary and the most of us will die because of a desease.
The reason why Jesus healed people we find in John 20,30-31. His Miracles and healings were signs. Signs which prooved that he is the promissed Messiah. The Son of God!
We have this in past and today also in missionfields that God shows through prayer of his servants that he is behind the Gospel. That he has the power about the Devil and his demons.

If you suggest now, that Jesus wants heal every believer then this is a message i cant find in the bible and i cant find in life.

I work in hospital and i cant renember to find anybody who was lucky to stay there. Special the older people suffer because of getting older and sicker and weaker. We all want live in health and comfort, this wish is normal, but not normal reality.

If we talk about believers. If you say that Jesus want will heal every sick believer, then this is a faith destroying message, because we expierience that we not be healed.

Sorry, this is not what Jesus want for our lifes. And it is a hit in the face of all sick believers in Christ, which suffering painful exhorting deseases. What Jesus want from us is, that we trust him and obey him in all situations. Health and wealth ore poor and sick.

And we can now that we are Gods beloved children, which he is carrying through the life. the good and the bad times, till we reach our heavenly home.

Dont destroy the faith of believers through promisses which Jesus never made.

 

[Grace777x70]

Psalm 103:2-5 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Bless the LORD, O my soul, And forget none of His benefits;
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Who pardons all your iniquities, Who heals all your diseases;
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Who redeems your life from the pit, Who crowns you with lovingkindness and compassion;
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Who satisfies your years with good things, So that your youth is renewed like the eagle.

Once we make our experiences and the world determine what we believe over the word of God...we get ourselves off of what the best that the Lord has for us. You will have to argue with the Lord about all that He says to us in His word.

 

[valiant]

Jesus healed ALL who came to Him without exception.

Many wonders and signs were done through by the Apostles (Acts 2.43; 5.12). The people gathered from the towns around Jerusalem, bringing the sick ad those afflicted with unclean spirit, and they were ALL healed (5.16).

where is the healer who heals ALL today. God does heal, but He does it spasmodically. There is no one who remotely approaches the Apostles (I'd love to know of one). I never read of the Apostles failing because of someone's weak faith. It was to THEM that the promises of john 14-16 were made.

 

[pwrnJC]

Wolfwint....so sorry that because you work in a hospital and see lots of ailments, diseases and deaths to all walks of life does not mean that all walks of life are those in CHRIST. Nor is natural aging phenomenons things that can't be touched or cured by GOD, if HE so chooses. I do not go around and promise people that GOD will always cure them when they call upon HIM. What I do tell them that if they believe and want a healing, I know a Great Physician who hears, knows them better than they know themselves and can indeed heal them. Faith is what it is all about. Surely, our natural earthly bodies do age and break down..and..tons of our ailments are due to our own choices made. Yes, "CHRISTIANS" that smoke can get lung cancer...Yes, "CHRISTIANS" that are having undue stresses because their spiritual lives are out of whack and their private love life reads like a soap opera...can suffer physical pain. Smith Wigglesworth, who on record, raised over 20 people from the dead, had a daughter born deaf and lived a long life as a mute. I truely understand that, on your daily job, as you look horizontally around you, no wonder you 'can't see that JESUS wants to heal every believer". When you look at the entire scope of things..YES..JESUS wants to heal everyone..even NON-believers...as HE did in the BIBLE. GOD would have NONE perish...but..alas..you and I live in the after-effects of what S.I.N. has done to this world. A lot of sickness is due to satanic control..and a lot of sickness is due to a way that we are to exit this world. Oops...that's right...all of us will not be instantly vaporized and zapped before GOD's presence to join HIM in heaven when our time comes to leave this earth. Either way you look at it...now or eternally....a Believer will be HEALED....either NOW, Instantly, Progressively, Later, or on the other side..it's a spiritual fact that I do find in my BIBLE.

 

[valiant]

Psalm 103:2-5 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Bless the LORD, O my soul, And forget none of His benefits;
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Who pardons all your iniquities, Who heals all your diseases;
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Who redeems your life from the pit, Who crowns you with lovingkindness and compassion;
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Who satisfies your years with good things, So that your youth is renewed like the eagle.

Once we make our experiences and the world determine what we believe over the word of God...we get ourselves off of what the best that the Lord has for us. You will have to argue with the Lord about all that He says to us in His word.

This does not say what it first appears to say. He does not pardon all their (Israel's) iniquities. He chooses to forgive some. He does not heal all their diseases. He heals those who are healed. He does not renew their youth like the eagles. He does it for some. You are misusing the Psalm which is a statement NOT a promise,

 

[Grace777x70]

If you read the whole thread...I think you will find lot's of scripture that talk about this subject...but it is an individual belief too...so every person is allowed to believe what parts of the scriptures they want...it's all good and we only look through a glass darkly now and when we see Him we will know all things...so that's a great promise!

This does not say what it first appears to say. He does not pardon all their (Israel's) iniquities. He chooses to forgive some. He does not heal all their diseases. He heals those who are healed. He does not renew their youth like the eagles. He does it for some. You are misusing the Psalm which is a statement NOT a promise,

 

[ladylynn]

Interesting thread, I must admit I don't understand the why and
the why nots fully, I only know healings do take place, I have experienced
this myself and I have seen others healed also. I know some healings
which have taken place instantly and others which have happened
gradually. I have also had problems which still persist and others which
have been healed.

I suspect a lack of healing is linked to a lack of faith or a wrong way
of claiming our authority in knowing who we are in Christ. Or of
not understanding God's timing.

I think sometimes we can claim and hold onto illness. A friend of mine
had diabeties. For a long time she use to tell people "I am diabetic" then
after praying and reading verses about healing in the bible she felt God
was telling her that she is not diabetic that she should not hold onto her
disease, that rather she is a person who happens to have diabeties, but
she is not diabetic. The difference is that she was owning the illness.
That was a while ago, now I can tell you all that she is no longer a person
with diabetes!

A few years ago I developed a painful hard bony lump at the base of a finger,
it definitely was not just a blister, it felt hard and seemed to be a joint
problem. After a month it was getting worse and I had just about got to the
point of going to the doctor, when instead I decided to pray about it.
I prayed scripture over my finger and was so determined that I had been
healed that I decided I was not even going to think about it any more.
A week later I realised the lump had completely gone and it has never
come back!

10 years ago I had Graves' disease. That entailed 3.5 years of going to
hospital for blood tests every 6 weeks - very frustrating. Eventually I
got sick and tired of being sick and tired and decided I was going to
believe God for healing no matter what. At the very next appointment my
doctor said the bloodwork was more stable than it had ever been before!
From that point onwards things continued to improve and 6 months later I
was discharged and free of the disease - that was a gradual healing but the
starting point was that pray time.

On the other hand I have had an eye problem for three years, but I have
never really got to grips with it and prayed about it with any great
conviction. It's one of thise niggley things which it is possible to live
with and is not that great a deal. Maybe I need to pray onto this more
and not learn to live with it.

I have seen bad backs healed instantly in my church.

On the other hand I know a woman who was in an accident and ended
up quadriplegic. there was prayer for healing and she gradually got
sensation and movement in her legs a year later. It took another two years to
get full sensation, feeling and full movement back in her upper body.
For a long time she wondered why God had healed her legs, but left the rest of
her body for so long. During a quite time with God, she said she felt God was
saying to her that she was only interested in the healing of her body. But God
was more interested in the healing of her mind and spirit. During that time in the
wheel chair she said she learned about patience, faith, humility, to take one day
at a time. etc. Then God healed her fully. This woman by the way is a top
scientist and physicist who is trained to question everything and she herself
testifies that before the accident she was a Christian but use to put God in
a box.

See also the following link to a recent testimony I posted on CC.


http://christianchat.com/testimonies/126117-miraculous-healing-80-year-old.html

Thank you Miri for sharing about your Aunt., your posts are very encouraging. Very much appreciated reading them. Blessings!!

 

[Miri]

Thank you Miri for sharing about your Aunt., your posts are very encouraging. Very much appreciated reading them. Blessings!!

Aw thank you, I can only post about what I have experienced. I suspect we all
have amazing things to share with each other, even the small every day
things we take for granted are a testimony about the goodness of God.