Jesus killed the law causing enmity to cease

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Sigh.... this is why I hate threads about the law.....
Fighting the good fight of faith. :)

"For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?" 1 Peter 4:7
 

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"Causing enmity to cease." Just this part of the quote in context is a profound meditation, and carries the great revelation so many should receive. Thank you J-M, this is an incredible share....
 
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Get real. Is it recorded that Peter actually ate unclean animals or was it actually for him to see that in the New Covenant that Gentiles were offered the same status as believing Jews?
It's both. Paul confirms this in 1 Timothy 4:4 when he essentially tells us that we can eat all kinds of animals.

A burnt offering represents devotion if you study the sacrificial law which Jesus fulfilled. Is He not the Mediator?
Yes, Jesus is our Mediator. Yet the Aaronic priesthood order under the Law of Moses is no more. Jesus is of a different priesthood order. Jesus is also God Almighty in the flesh, too.

A peace offering represents contact with God and being able to communicate with Him because we are accepted into His presence.
Trespass offerings and sin offerings are sacrifices that are standing in the place of a sinner for atonement. That's why hands were laid on the head of the sacrifice before the slaughtering. Can you not understand the spiritual concept with sacrifice and the way they still work these days?
Jesus made the one time sacrifice for us and there is no need to go back to offering animal sacrifices again. Animal sacrifices was a part of the Law of Moses. If you obey the Law of Moses, then you need to offer animal sacrifices still while looking for the Messiah who would one day take away our sins for good.

You desire for the Father and the Son to be separated when Jesus is now sitting on the Father's right hand side? Wow!
The Father and the Son are one with one another. Yet they are also distinct persons. God the Father sent the Son. It was not the Son who sent God the Father. No man can be forgiven if they blaspheme or speak bad against the Holy Spirit. But yet one can be forgiven if they speak bad against the Son, though. So there is a distinction of persons within the Godhead amongst the unity of God being one God.
 
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I posted my testimony on another thread, and throughout my life I have seen more blessings in following Torah than when not. When Torah is observed properly there are tons of blessings. Through my personal experience I don't see how it's wrong to follow Torah at all.
 

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Fighting the good fight of faith. :)

"For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?" 1 Peter 4:7
That's just my point though- the fighting. you have been here for a while Just-me have you ever seen a thread like this resolved or seen ppl admit they were wrong and forgive and forget? If you have then I am actually relieved but I have never seen it I have only seen things get worse and worse
 
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I would just like to ask you - Why do we have a NEW Testament? What is the purpose of the New Testament if nothing has changed and everything is as it was under the OT?

Why are you always pitting the OT against the NT? The OT was written for our learning to teach us that through the endurance of the OT believers, we too are encouraged and provided with hope. [Rom. 15:4]

That is a good question for the Bereans. The answer from me would be that we no longer have Paul, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter, James, Jude, and the writer of Hebrews to talk to us one on one and prove the truth via the Old Testament. All those guys used the Old Testament to prove the New Testament and prove Jesus as the true Messiah. The Old Testament is not against the New. That's the whole point that I witness.

 
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We are not to make judgments concerning vengance, for it is God's right not ours. God is a God of equity, and if you study the law of the eye for an eye thing you would see that it is not humans who make the equity status right. Jesus didn't change the concepts of God's equity, and how we are suppose to adhere to that by loving Him and our neighbor.
Yes, very good. We are not to take vengeance in our own hands. However, justice could be carried out according to the Law of Moses, though. If someone took your eye, you could then see justice done by taking that man to the courts and having them pass judgment that would remove his eye. However, Jesus says something different, though. He says to forgive men their trespasses.
 
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Also everyone keeps calling it "the law of Moses", that doesn't mean Moses wrote/gave it. God gave it to Moses to give to His people. So technically it's God's law.
 
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What you share here relates to the Epistle, Ephesians when it speaks of being formerly children of disobedience, but now children of obedience.

Jesus Christ completed the law in establishing it by our faith in Him. This also is dealt with by Paul. Jeus Christ completed the law in that He showed us how it is to be accomplished, by showing mercy where needed, being the only eternal Sacrifice for sins, His teaching on foods, and much more.

Torah has been completed by Jesus Chrisst's teaching all how to obey the law, and when we slip up, and we do slip up, He is our Mediator, our High Priest. We no longer have enmity with the law, for it has been revealed by our Lord and Master just what the law really is and how to obey, that is in what manner to obey. This is no longer being under a task master. It has made us masters of it in Jesus Christ. Children of obedienc, Obey the Law if you have been truly freed.

I posted my testimony on another thread, and throughout my life I have seen more blessings in following Torah than when not. When Torah is observed properly there are tons of blessings. Through my personal experience I don't see how it's wrong to follow Torah at all.
 
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The "Law of Moses" is referenced 7 times in the New Testament (KJV).
So it is given that name properly by the Word of God itself.
But what I'm saying is God made it, not Moses. If you think Moses made it then you've never read the Torah. When Moses was on mount Sinai it says more than 7 times that God commanded this and that, not Moses.
 
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That's just my point though- the fighting. you have been here for a while Just-me have you ever seen a thread like this resolved or seen ppl admit they were wrong and forgive and forget? If you have then I am actually relieved but I have never seen it I have only seen things get worse and worse
I started a thread once that endorsed believers of the same mind concerning Old and New Testament/Covenant scriptures to stick together with the whole truth concerning what we knew in God's Holy Word. It was the same thing and almost got me banned. I won't go into detail, for the details of what happened then are not supposed to be mentioned according to the regulations on this site. I was accused of pushing Saturday as the Sabbath to be observed. I have never done that. Not only that, I am not a SDA, or a Hebrew Roots person. I just study the scriptures, and pray for understanding. My childhood was Wesleyan Methodist, have attended Baptist church most of the time, taught Sunday school for men, and last of all attending a Presbyterian congregation with a Scottish pastor. Love the accent. LOL
 
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I posted my testimony on another thread, and throughout my life I have seen more blessings in following Torah than when not. When Torah is observed properly there are tons of blessings. Through my personal experience I don't see how it's wrong to follow Torah at all.
The Word of God is our standard and not your life, though. It is impossible to obey both the Old and the New because both sets of Laws conflict with each other. You cannot obey and believe in the animal sacrifices and yet also believe in Jesus Christ as your Savior. The Temple veil has been torn. There is no going back.
 
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But what I'm saying is God made it, not Moses. If you think Moses made it then you've never read the Torah. When Moses was on mount Sinai it says more than 7 times that God commanded this and that, not Moses.
I never said it was not God's Law. Yet the Bible says it is also called the Law of Moses, though. Why? Because the Law was given to Moses so as to give to his people. That is why it is called the Law of Moses. Yet the Law of Moses (or the Law of God for the Israelites under the Old Testament) is not in effect as a whole anymore. The Old Covenant has passed away and we are now under a New Covenant in Jesus Christ with different Laws. Yes, some laws are the same, but many of them are not the same, though. That's the point you keep ignoring.
 

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And to think just the other day I was thinking to myself how nice it was that there were no grace vs law threads on page one anymore. Sigh!

I guess the thing that bothers me most is people who ONLY show up for grace vs law threads. As if there was nothing else to comment on in the Bible. But what pleases me most is to see how much some people have moved towards grace who were advocating strict adherence to the law a few months ago.

Praise God, through the Holy Spirit, everyone is teachable!

"Iron sharpens iron,
and one man sharpens another." Prov. 27:17

Plus, the New Testament was written because Jesus really did bring a whole new light on the gospel of truth.

"And on the Sabbath he began to teach in the synagogue, and many who heard him were astonished, saying, “Where did this man get these things? What is the wisdom given to him? How are such mighty works done by his hands?" Mark 6:2


If we are supposed to be Torah observant, then why did Jesus have to come? Why not just let the Pharisees run things the way they were? Oh right, because it didn't make them righteous!

"But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it— the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction:" Romans 3:21-22
 
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Yes, very good. We are not to take vengeance in our own hands. However, justice could be carried out according to the Law of Moses, though. If someone took your eye, you could then see justice done by taking that man to the courts and having them pass judgment that would remove his eye. However, Jesus says something different, though. He says to forgive men their trespasses.
The law has nothing to do with a person with damaged eye suing and going to court. The perpetrator lost the investment which ultimately lead to a decline in status, and pride deteriorating in the one who instigated the infraction. It takes an understanding of the Hebrew culture to know why the turning of the cheek if the same thing concerning equity, for God is not a respecter of persons. And yes, we are to forgive with repentance same as we are forgiven when we repent.
 

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I will differ here some. Prsonal testimonies are an integral part of the formation of the Body of Christ in this age. No member is more or less importnt than another. Each's testimony as to how they became a fitted member is not only important to all of the rest of the Body, it is an oral or verbal sharing of justy how God fit that member into the other members. There is much to learn froom God on how each member has come to his or her place in the Body; it is the visible result of God's work on each saved soul in this age.
 
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The law has nothing to do with a person with damaged eye suing and going to court. The perpetrator lost the investment which ultimately lead to a decline in status, and the pride deteriorated one who instigated the infraction. It takes an understanding of the Hebrew culture to know why the turning of the cheek if the same thing concerning equity, for God is not a respecter of persons. And yes, we are to forgive with repentance same as we are forgiven when we repent.
No, I can read and understand the Word of God just fine. Some Jewish tradition does not trump the Word of God in what it plainly says. Anyone who reads Jesus talking about not taking matters into their own hands gets it. He says... you have heard it written an eye for an eye.... Then Jesus says.... BUT I SAY UNTO YOU.... meaning.... Jesus is making a change. Nowhere was this teaching stressed in the Old Testament before. The Law could allow you to render justice. For why on Earth do you think God commanded the Israelites to destroy it's enemies? Yet in the New Testament, the apostles are persecuted for their faith? See, there is a big distinction between the two covenants.
 
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What you share here relates to the Epistle, Ephesians when it speaks of being formerly children of disobedience, but now children of obedience.

Jesus Christ completed the law in establishing it by our faith in Him. This also is dealt with by Paul. Jeus Christ completed the law in that He showed us how it is to be accomplished, by showing mercy where needed, being the only eternal Sacrifice for sins, His teaching on foods, and much more.

Torah has been completed by Jesus Chrisst's teaching all how to obey the law, and when we slip up, and we do slip up, He is our Mediator, our High Priest. We no longer have enmity with the law, for it has been revealed by our Lord and Master just what the law really is and how to obey, that is in what manner to obey. This is no longer being under a task master. It has made us masters of it in Jesus Christ. Children of obedienc, Obey the Law if you have been truly freed.
But from my understandings, if you understand the 7 feasts in Torah, Yeshua has not yet fulfilled the last 3 feasts, that is unless we all missed His 2nd coming.

It states that no one knows the day or hour if His return. This is actually a reference to the new moon which the first fall feast (The feast of trumpets) is on a new moon, and when He returns what will we hear? A trumpet blast.

After that He will judge the nations which would be Yom Kippur.

After that He'll establish a kingdom, and we will dwell with Him. Which is what Sukkot (feast of tabernacles/dwelling) is.

Also He stated the law will not pass until earth and heaven have passed away. Which is prophesied in revelations.

so based off of this the law is still in place.

Now if someone is looking for salvation in the law, that's where they'd be wrong, because salvation is through Messiah.

In my walk in Torah I have grown closer to God and have had more clear sense what Yeshua did. It has made a plethora of scriptures more clear to me.
 
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I will differ here some. Prsonal testimonies are an integral part of the formation of the Body of Christ in this age. No member is more or less importnt than another. Each's testimony as to how they became a fitted member is not only important to all of the rest of the Body, it is an oral or verbal sharing of justy how God fit that member into the other members. There is much to learn froom God on how each member has come to his or her place in the Body; it is the visible result of God's work on each saved soul in this age.
Yet, personal testimony cannot be in contradiction with God's Word, though. For let God be true and let every man be a liar.