Jesus, Son of God.

[followjesus]

The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus;...

there is always a distinction Between God the Father, and Jesus His Son its always About God the Father, exalting His Only Begotten. the Son of Man, exalted to the right Hand of God...Here is Paul teaching the same thing Peter teaches there

1 timothy 2 " For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. "

paul then when you dig Begins explaining what that Means for us who Believe, showing WHY the gospel is about the Son of God.

ephesians 1 " That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: 18The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, 19And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,


20Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: 22And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, 23Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.


ephesians 2 " Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit."




Galatians 4 " But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, 5To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. 6And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. 7Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ."


Heirs are the children. Children are Made so By the spirit, of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. children Of God, through His Only Begotten Son, all who Believe and follow the Lord, receive Of His divine Nature the Holy Ghost by which God dwells with us always. The Gospel is about God the Father, restoring Man, exalting us from Our fall. He sent His Spirit into the flesh of a Woman, and Jesus the Christ was concieved. He is the Son of God simplicity, the gospel is about God blessing His Son, exalting His Son , raising His son from the dead.....and Many other things Because He is going to do all of that for His children. its about Man, receiving the Holy Ghost...and of course the Holy ghost is One with God.

"7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. "

the Word Made flesh is the Son,

v14 " And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. ......v 18No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."

so then the Father, who is in Heaven , sent the Word, and the Word revealed is the Son....matthew 28 " And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen."

the word Was God, the word was Made flesh, and the Only Begotten Son was Born, through Jesus the Son, we receive the Holy Ghost " john 14-16) .....so the Holy ghost, that is One with God, and One with Jesus, then is given to us to live in and with us. " God with us" is accomplished when the Holy ghost is received.

these three are One The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. we receive the Holy Ghost, through Faith in the Son, Making God Our Father."


to those who received Him , He gave the power to Become the Sons of God"

 

[beta]

Jesus is not a copy, He always was.


John 1:1-3 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2The same was in the beginning with God.
3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Even the scriptures you quote tell us He existed ''as the WORD of God...NOT as Jesus the Man.
We are talking of Jesus the Man as Son of God, a literal Human Being like ourselves who IS the Son of God by Birth and will also help US to become children (sons/daughters) of God. All this is a 'step up from the basic WORD with which all Creation BEGINS....GOD SPEAKS the WORD and it is done....but a lot has to happen in between. The WORD had to be made flesh as a start so we have a better understanding and literal Saviour. AS the WORD alone this could not have been accomplished.
Yes Jesus always existed with God but not as 'Jesus the Son....He was known 'as the Word ' in the beginning - not as Jesus we know as a Man.
What/how it was in the beginning is different to how it is today and will be different again in the future . Creation is never static...it is a 'growing process until it reaches final perfection...takes a long time !

 

[Noose]

The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus;...

there is always a distinction Between God the Father, and Jesus His Son its always About God the Father, exalting His Only Begotten. the Son of Man, exalted to the right Hand of God...Here is Paul teaching the same thing Peter teaches there

1 timothy 2 " For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. "

paul then when you dig Begins explaining what that Means for us who Believe, showing WHY the gospel is about the Son of God.

ephesians 1 " That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: 18The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, 19And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,


20Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: 22And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, 23Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.


ephesians 2 " Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit."




Galatians 4 " But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, 5To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. 6And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. 7Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ."


Heirs are the children. Children are Made so By the spirit, of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. children Of God, through His Only Begotten Son, all who Believe and follow the Lord, receive Of His divine Nature the Holy Ghost by which God dwells with us always. The Gospel is about God the Father, restoring Man, exalting us from Our fall. He sent His Spirit into the flesh of a Woman, and Jesus the Christ was concieved. He is the Son of God simplicity, the gospel is about God blessing His Son, exalting His Son , raising His son from the dead.....and Many other things Because He is going to do all of that for His children. its about Man, receiving the Holy Ghost...and of course the Holy ghost is One with God.

"7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. "

the Word Made flesh is the Son,

v14 " And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. ......v 18No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."

so then the Father, who is in Heaven , sent the Word, and the Word revealed is the Son....matthew 28 " And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen."

the word Was God, the word was Made flesh, and the Only Begotten Son was Born, through Jesus the Son, we receive the Holy Ghost " john 14-16) .....so the Holy ghost, that is One with God, and One with Jesus, then is given to us to live in and with us. " God with us" is accomplished when the Holy ghost is received.

these three are One The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. we receive the Holy Ghost, through Faith in the Son, Making God Our Father."


to those who received Him , He gave the power to Become the Sons of God"

You have quoted so many things but there's no evidence you actually understand what you have quoted.
There has to be a distinction because the authorities of God are for different purposes, but there are areas where this distinction is not drawn;

Isa 9:6For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father,Prince of Peace.

Name= Authority.
So, the authorities that the child would have are:
Eternal Father= Father
Prince of peace= Son
wonderful counselor= holy spirit

All these are in the son. How many times did Paul say the fullness of deity is in Him (Jesus)?

 

[followjesus]

inheritance comes through the Only Begotten Son


Romans 8 " For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. 14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. 15For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together."


ROMANS 8 " For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified."


Hebrews 2 "For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. 11For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren"
Hebrews 5:5-10 "So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee. As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.


Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; 8Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; 9And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec."


Hebrews 4 " For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
14Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need."

james 1;13 "Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man"



acts 17"And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: 31Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.


2 timothy 4 " I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables...."

 

[SovereignGrace]

Pull up yer pants, yer Arianism is showing.

 

[followjesus]

You have quoted so many things but there's no evidence you actually understand what you have quoted.
There has to be a distinction because the authorities of God are for different purposes, but there are areas where this distinction is not drawn;

Isa 9:6For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father,Prince of Peace.

Name= Authority.
So, the authorities that the child would have are:
Eternal Father= Father
Prince of peace= Son
wonderful counselor= holy spirit

All these are in the son. How many times did Paul say the fullness of deity is in Him (Jesus)?

How hard is it to undertand ? God sent His Only Begotten son, that whosoever Believes in HIM shall not perish But Have everlasting Life" seems rather simple....

whos spirit is in your children?

Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.<<<<<



without telling Me How i need to understand anything can you acknowledge that God the Father is Greater than Jesus his Son?

Jesus acknowledged it. Peter understood it How hard is it to simply believe what Peter explains instead of letting a forum preacher teach Me different?

Heres Peter

acts 3 " The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go. 14But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you; 15And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead;whereof we are witnesses. 16And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all."


if the God of abraham Isaac and Jacob...sent Hos Son Jesus and glorified Him. that doesnt seem Hard to understand to Me. i just choose to Let whats in the Bible, teach Me. it really is quite simple when you study and Pray. its as simple as accepting what is written, wheres eternal Life Found? In Jesus Christ, the Son of God.

 

[Noose]

inheritance comes through the Only Begotten Son




ROMANS 8 " For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified."


......

Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; 8Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; 9And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec."

Again, quoting many things but i don't see any understanding from your explanations.

Jesus is God in flesh, come to demonstrate (in actions) what the authority of the son is all about to us (the sons).
This is how the Father sent the son- He actually became the son Himself.

Mal 3:1“I will send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come,” says the Lord Almighty.

Isa 40:3A voice of one calling:“In the wilderness preparethe way for the Lord[SUP]a[/SUP] ;make straight in the deserta highway for our God.


Mark 1:1The beginning of the good news about Jesus the Messiah,[SUP]a[/SUP] the Son of God,[SUP]b[/SUP]2as it is written in Isaiah the prophet:“I will send my messenger ahead of you,
who will prepare your way”[SUP]c[/SUP] —
3“a voice of one calling in the wilderness,
‘Prepare the way for the Lord,
make straight paths for him.’ ”[SUP]d[/SUP]

4And so John the Baptist appeared in the wilderness, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. 5The whole Judean countryside and all the people of Jerusalem went out to him. Confessing their sins, they were baptized by him in the Jordan River. 6John wore clothing made of camel’s hair, with a leather belt around his waist, and he ate locusts and wild honey. 7And this was his message: “After me comes the one more powerful than I, the straps of whose sandals I am not worthy to stoop down and untie. 8I baptize you with[SUP]e[/SUP] water, but he will baptize you with[SUP]f[/SUP] the Holy Spirit.”9At that time Jesus came from Nazareth in Galilee and was baptized by John in the Jordan.

Explanation:
In Malachi, God promises to make an appearance but He would send a messenger to prepare the way just before appearing. And we also see, when He appears, He refers to himself as the messenger also.
In Isaiah- Isaiah prequotes John the baptist as the messenger who prepares the way for our God.

Mark quotes the two prophesies and explains what was happening. The messenger that prepares the way and our God who comes as the son/messenger whose way was being prepared so that the blind and and deaf would know what was prophesied is being fulfilled.

This is how the father sent the son, don't argue with me. And in the same manner, the father sent the son in Revelation 21:7- They are one.

 

[Noose]

How hard is it to undertand ? God sent His Only Begotten son, that whosoever Believes in HIM shall not perish But Have everlasting Life" seems rather simple....

whos spirit is in your children?

Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.<<<<<



without telling Me How i need to understand anything can you acknowledge that God the Father is Greater than Jesus his Son?

Jesus acknowledged it. Peter understood it How hard is it to simply believe what Peter explains instead of letting a forum preacher teach Me different?

You don't get it, do you? The Father and the son are authorities of God. The authority of the Father will always be greater than that of the son. A teacher will always be greater than the student.
So, i hereby acknowledge that the Father is greater than the son- i know this is a song that only the 144k believers know.

 

[beta]

You don't get it, do you? The Father and the son are authorities of God. The authority of the Father will always be greater than that of the son. A teacher will always be greater than the student.
So, i hereby acknowledge that the Father is greater than the son- i know this is a song that only the 144k believers know.

Can you explain how the Father and the Son are authorities of God ? Is GOD somebody else ?
Is GOD not the Father ?
Yes the Father is greater than the Son...Jesus said so !!! who is denying it ?

 

[Noose]

Can you explain how the Father and the Son are authorities of God ? Is GOD somebody else ?
Is GOD not the Father ?
Yes the Father is greater than the Son...Jesus said so !!! who is denying it ?

No one denies that.
The explanation of the Father/son/Holy spirit (authorities of God) is here:

John 14:9Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves. 12Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.

Don't you understand what Jesus is saying here. He was the son at the moment but when He goes, He takes up the authority of the father and we believers are left with the authority of the son and He comes in us (with the authority of the Holy spirit) so that whatever we ask in His name (authority of the son), He can do because we shall be asking the Father - all these so that the Father is glorified in the son.

 

[Noose]

The whole of John 14/15/16 explains what the Father/Son/Holy spirit is all about.

John 16

1“All this I have told you so that you will not fall away. 2They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, the time is coming when anyone who kills you will think they are offering a service to God. 3They will do such things because they have not known the Father or me. 4I have told you this, so that when their time comes you will remember that I warned you about them. I did not tell you this from the beginning because I was with you, 5but now I am going to him who sent me. None of you asks me, ‘Where are you going?’ 6Rather, you are filled with grief because I have said these things. 7But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. 8When he comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment: 9about sin, because people do not believe in me; 10about righteousness, because I am going to the Father, where you can see me no longer; 11and about judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned.

12“I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. 13But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you. 15All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.”

The Disciples’ Grief Will Turn to Joy

16Jesus went on to say, “In a little while you will see me no more, and then after a little while you will see me.”17At this, some of his disciples said to one another, “What does he mean by saying, ‘In a little while you will see me no more, and then after a little while you will see me,’ and ‘Because I am going to the Father’?”18They kept asking, “What does he mean by ‘a little while’? We don’t understand what he is saying.”

19Jesus saw that they wanted to ask him about this, so he said to them, “Are you asking one another what I meant when I said, ‘In a little while you will see me no more, and then after a little while you will see me’?20Very truly I tell you, you will weep and mourn while the world rejoices. You will grieve, but your grief will turn to joy. 21A woman giving birth to a child has pain because her time has come; but when her baby is born she forgets the anguish because of her joy that a child is born into the world. 22So with you: Now is your time of grief, but I will see you again and you will rejoice, and no one will take away your joy. 23In that day you will no longer ask me anything. Very truly I tell you, my Father will give you whatever you ask in my name. 24Until now you have not asked for anything in my name. Ask and you will receive, and your joy will be complete.

25“Though I have been speaking figuratively, a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father. 26In that day you will ask in my name. I am not saying that I will ask the Father on your behalf. 27No, the Father himself loves you because you have loved me and have believed that I came from God. 28I came from the Father and entered the world; now I am leaving the world and going back to the Father.”29Then Jesus’ disciples said, “Now you are speaking clearly and without figures of speech. 30Now we can see that you know all things and that you do not even need to have anyone ask you questions. This makes us believe that you came from God.”

31“Do you now believe?” Jesus replied. 32“A time is coming and in fact has come when you will be scattered, each to your own home. You will leave me all alone. Yet I am not alone, for my Father is with me.33“I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.”

 

[Johnny_B]

so you are saying God is Not the Father of Jesus Christ? wow that sort of destroys the Whole concept of Christianity....i think i will stick with what The Bible teaches " That God sent His only Begotten Son, that whosoever Believes in Him shall have eternal Life" ill trust that God the Father who cannot Be seen, sent Jesus His Son, in the power of His Name, to offer eternal Life to those who believe in the Name of Gods Only begotten Son.

ill stay with simplicity that is repetetively written in the Word of God, God bless

Do not read in to what I said becsause you do not understand what they mean or the Hebrew culture, you would understand what Father of and Son of means if you did. So you think that Jesus was born of the Father literally, that He was begot by the Father? Read the Greek the word for "begotten" is not in the text, it is a mistranslation by the KJV. Are you a jehovah's witness and believe that Jesus is not Jesus without the Father?

That is a good idea to stick with what is in the Word of God in it's origanal language, not in the KJV.

Not being a smarta$$ here, this will get you started, "[FONT=&quot]μονογενῆ" is the Greek that the KJV translates, "only begotten" Here's how Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament translates it, "single of a kind, only, [A.V. only-begotten]; only used of sons and daughters, "to be ones only"

BAGD which is the stardard in Greek-English Lexicons, only, Also unique (in kind) of something that is the only example of this category.

The Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, does not have the word begotten in it and it follows the KJV and Strong's closely of course Strong's has it as "only-begotten" like the KJV because it was written for the KJV. Begotten mean birth or birthed, do you really believe Jesus was born of the Father? Notice that Thayer's added that the A.V. or KJV has it as "only-begotten" but his is "to be ones only"

One more thing my point is that Jesus was not begotten or born from God but I never said He was not the Son of God.[/FONT]

 

[Johnny_B]

Just to be clear, Jesus is God.

​That should not need to be clearified, but maybe some do need to be.

 

[Johnny_B]

Even though Jesus is called "the everlasting Father" there is absolutely no question that God the Father is the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ. That is repeated over and over again in the New Testament. In view of that we need to properly understand in what sense Christ is "the everlasting Father" (which we need not discuss at this point). And it is not for mere mortals to say whether or not Jesus "needed" a Father.

Are you kidding me, God is only the Father for our mortal understanding or can you show me where the eternal Son was born with-in the Godhead?

As far as why He is called Everlasting Father, again goes back to Hebrew culture, here is why He is called Everlasting Father, I know you are a KJV only and that is why you have the definate article with Everlasting Father and it is the only translation that uses it. This is why He is called Everlating Father, Colosians 1:15-17

“He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. 17And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.”

He is the creator for eternity. The key is what does firstborn mean, again Hebrew cultures understanding helps here, the firstborn in the Hebrew culture was the preeminent child to the inheritance, why do you think it was such a big thing when Esau sold his birth right for a bowl of beans? Jesus is preeminent over creation which is explained in the context of verse 15-17. Creation originates from Christ in eternity, this is the same reason God is called His Father, because Jesus originates from eternity where the Father is, He precedes from the Father, as creation precedes from Christ. Like wise Jesus is called the Son, because He is of the same nature as the Father, same goes for the sons of the prophets, they were not their biological sons, but they were prophets like Elijah and Elisha or they were of the same nature, as Christ and the Father are of the same nature, God.

Here's what Vine's says about firstborn, in His relationship to the Father, expressing His priority to, and preeminence over, creation, not in the sense of being the first to be born.

The International Dictionary of New Testament Theology gets a little deeper. Firstborn, as a title for the mediator of creation, it is used in Colosians 1:15, as is demonstarted by the parallel sayings in v. 16 "in Him all things were created...all things were created through Him and for Him," and v. 17 :He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together." Both supporters and opponents of the suggestion that prōtotokoss in Col. 1 echoes Hel., mythical ideas agree that the statement is a confession of the supreme rank of the pre-existent Christ as mediator in the creation of all things (cf. E. Käsemann, op. cit., 154ff.; W. Michaelis, TDNT V1 879 f.).

There are somethings that the study of the Hebrew culture helps to understand when reading the New Testament about Jesus and words that have different meanings because we are in the west and they are in the near east. The marriage structure in the Jewish culture helps understand the idea of the Church being the Bride. The father chooses the bride for the son, the son adds on to the fathers house during the engagement time and the son can not go get his bride until the father gives him the okay. Many things become clearer when you understand the Hebrew culture.

As I mentioned to followerofjesus I was not trying to be a jerk, I was trying to get some interest in studying the Hebrew culture to help understand the Bible or New Testament easier. Something else that helped me was a trip to Israel, I would love to do it again when my health improves and my grandson is older.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Are you kidding me, God is only the Father for our mortal understanding or can you show me where the eternal Son was born with-in the Godhead?

First of all the eternal Sonship of Christ cannot be compared to human reproduction. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are all God and are all masculine. But God the Father has had a Father-Son relationship with Christ from eternity past. Therefore He is the uniquely begotten Son of God, or the "only begotten Son".

This is indicated to us in Scripture with the statement that He IS (present tense) in "the bosom of the Father" even when He was on earth as Jesus of Nazareth. This has nothing to do with our "mortal understanding" but we could still never understand the mystery of God.

No man hath seen God [the Father] at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. (John 1:18)