Jews, Gentiles, And The Church During the Millenium

[Radius]

I came across this Q and A. Is this true? Will we have access to Israel and this earth during the Millenium? I thought we all come back with God to reign on this earth for 1,000 years.

Q. I was reading an answer from a reader about where the Jews and other believers would be. I understood you to say, the Jews would be in Israel and the rest in the New Jerusalem. I think I’m confused about New Jerusalem and Heaven. Are they the same? If there is a separation, why, since the Jews have accepted Jesus as their messiah.

A. During the Millennium and beyond, Jews will live in Israel on Earth. The Church will live in the New Jerusalem. Gentile believers in Jesus who miss the rapture but survive the Great Tribulation will live on Earth during the Millennium and re-populate the nations. The Bible doesn’t say what happens to them after that.

 

[zone]

I came across this Q and A. Is this true? Will we have access to Israel and this earth during the Millenium? I thought we all come back with God to reign on this earth for 1,000 years.

Q. I was reading an answer from a reader about where the Jews and other believers would be. I understood you to say, the Jews would be in Israel and the rest in the New Jerusalem. I think I’m confused about New Jerusalem and Heaven. Are they the same? If there is a separation, why, since the Jews have accepted Jesus as their messiah.

A. During the Millennium and beyond, Jews will live in Israel on Earth. The Church will live in the New Jerusalem. Gentile believers in Jesus who miss the rapture but survive the Great Tribulation will live on Earth during the Millennium and re-populate the nations. The Bible doesn’t say what happens to them after that.

none of that is true.

 

[zone]

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/59097-pre-millennialism-chiliaism.html < click

 

[Radius]

lol I didn't think it was true. Anyway, thanks.

 

[Radius]

And I read your link Zone. I always believed that there was to be a future millennium that Christ would physically reign on earth while Satan was bound and then to be released to deceive the nations once again to prepare for war. I took the Bible to be literal on this subject and many others do, too. I often find myself agreeing with you on here, but I'm not sure I agree with you and your stance on this subject, though.

 

[zone]

And I read your link Zone. I always believed that there was to be a future millennium that Christ would physically reign on earth while Satan was bound and then to be released to deceive the nations once again to prepare for war. I took the Bible to be literal on this subject and many others do, too. I often find myself agreeing with you on here, but I'm not sure I agree with you and your stance on this subject, though.

ya i know.
i don't know what to say.
poor America.

she's been mercilessly assaulted from day one.
on every level.
this is one of them.

the idea of all that has stayed alive since Jesus walked the earth (the earthy kingdom thing) even though it wasn't what he taught.
and now it has come forward as fact, supposedly. but it isn't
it's a fable, and its deception and its' hurting a lot of people.

there's no future 1,000 years.

i'm happy to talk to you about it.
anything at all....it helps to first look at where the idea came from.
maybe tomorrow.

i have some really simplified stuff to begin with.
if you're open, i'm happy to say what i do know, and what i don't.

it's really quite easily just dispensed with..in a few days
if you are willing to look at the right things in the right order.
but i don't know if you are.
ttyl

 

[zone]

And I read your link Zone. I always believed that there was to be a future millennium that Christ would physically reign on earth while Satan was bound and then to be released to deceive the nations once again to prepare for war. I took the Bible to be literal on this subject and many others do, too. I often find myself agreeing with you on here, but I'm not sure I agree with you and your stance on this subject, though.

95 THESES AGAINST DISPENSATIONALISM

95 Theses | Against Dispensationalism < click

i'll leave you with this for now.

the reality is that we are currently in Christ Kingdom's (here on earth the wheat and tares grow together...our job is to stop sinning, preach the gospel and devote ourselves to real churches, for life)...He is in HEAVEN and He knows what He is doing.

He is ruling from Heaven and He will Return to Judge the world.
Christians will not be judged.

when we die in this body our souls enter His Presence. in Heaven.
we all get glorified bodies and enter eternity with The Lord at the very last day.

that's the whole story.

but do read up on dispensationalism.
it's false.
when you know that, then you can see that this is true:

Amillennialism (Greek: a- "no" + millennialism) is the view in Christian eschatology which states that Christ is presently reigning through the Church, and that the "1000 years" of Revelation 20:1-6 is a metaphorical reference to the present church age which will culminate in Christ's return. It stands in contrast to premillennialism, which states that Christ will return prior to a literal 1000 year earthly reign; and postmillennialism, which states that Christ's return will follow a 1000 year golden age ushered in by the church.

http://www.theopedia.com/Amillennialism < click

people will tell you that Amillennialism is antisemitic. and you will be persecuted.

it's called antisemitic and you will be persecuted because it doesn't teach a special Plan A return to the Old Covenant (or some variation) where jews are restored to glory.

everyone gets saved the same way.
k. good night.

 

[Radius]

Well, I thank you for taking the time to tell what you believe, but it will be hard to convince myself what you are saying is true after hearing and believing the other way my whole life. In the end it doesn't matter and knowledge of this subject is not a prerequisite to being saved. That's the good thing!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I came across this Q and A. Is this true? Will we have access to Israel and this earth during the Millenium? I thought we all come back with God to reign on this earth for 1,000 years.

Q. I was reading an answer from a reader about where the Jews and other believers would be. I understood you to say, the Jews would be in Israel and the rest in the New Jerusalem. I think I’m confused about New Jerusalem and Heaven. Are they the same? If there is a separation, why, since the Jews have accepted Jesus as their messiah.

A. During the Millennium and beyond, Jews will live in Israel on Earth. The Church will live in the New Jerusalem. Gentile believers in Jesus who miss the rapture but survive the Great Tribulation will live on Earth during the Millennium and re-populate the nations. The Bible doesn’t say what happens to them after that.

This would not be true, The new jerusalem does not come until after the final judgement, which does not occure until after the kingdom.. whichever kingdom you may believe in.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

95 THESES AGAINST DISPENSATIONALISM

95 Theses | Against Dispensationalism < click

i'll leave you with this for now.

95 THESES AGAINST DISPENSATIONALISM

1. Contrary to the dispensationalists’ claim that their system is the result of a “plain interpretation” (Charles Ryrie) of Scripture, it is a relatively new innovation in Church history, having emerged only around 1830, and was wholly unknown to Christian scholars for the first eighteen hundred years of the Christian era.
The concept of a dispensation - the arrangements of divisions in Biblical history - dates back to Irenaeus in the second century. . .wikipedia
What sets an administration apart is when God changes the "rules". Does the church have the same laws as Moses? Just for instance: food laws -- Genesis 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. Now look at Genesis 9:3, after the flood: Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things and under the Mosaic Law there was a division still of clean or unclean.

the reality is that we are currently in Christ Kingdom's (here on earth the wheat and tares grow together...our job is to stop sinning, preach the gospel and devote ourselves to real churches, for life)...He is in HEAVEN and He knows what He is doing.

He is ruling from Heaven and He will Return to Judge the world.
Christians will not be judged.

when we die in this body our souls enter His Presence. in Heaven.
we all get glorified bodies and enter eternity with The Lord at the very last day.

that's the whole story.

but do read up on dispensationalism.
it's false.
when you know that, then you can see that this is true:

Amillennialism (Greek: a- "no" + millennialism) is the view in Christian eschatology which states that Christ is presently reigning through the Church, and that the "1000 years" of Revelation 20:1-6 is a metaphorical reference to the present church age which will culminate in Christ's return. It stands in contrast to premillennialism, which states that Christ will return prior to a literal 1000 year earthly reign; and postmillennialism, which states that Christ's return will follow a 1000 year golden age ushered in by the church.

http://www.theopedia.com/Amillennialism < click

people will tell you that Amillennialism is antisemitic. and you will be persecuted.

it's called antisemitic and you will be persecuted because it doesn't teach a special Plan A return to the Old Covenant (or some variation) where jews are restored to glory.

everyone gets saved the same way.
k. good night.

the reality is now we are currently in Christ's kingdom -- you just set up a dispensation/administration where Christ is king. . .Are you saying that Christ is King NOW?

 

[zone]

Are you saying that Christ is King NOW?

uh ya. that's exactly what i'm saying.

are you saved? do you have a King?

what a ridiculous notion that He is not King now.

why isn't He according to dispensationalism?

why ISN'T Jesus King?

because some jews are cut off branches and they didn't get the carnal kingdom they thought was coming?

Are you saying that Christ is King NOW?

do you have a King peaceful?
who is it?
Caesar? or Jesus?

back later.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

uh ya. that's exactly what i'm saying.

are you saved? do you have a King?

what a ridiculous notion that He is not King now.

why isn't He according to dispensationalism?

why ISN'T Jesus King?

because some jews are cut off branches and they didn't get the carnal kingdom they thought was coming?

do you have a King peaceful?
who is it?
Caesar? or Jesus?

back later.

I have a President. . .lol. . .jk

If Jesus were ruling the earth now, don't you think it would be in much better shape than it is?

Jesus is my Lord, highly exalted by God. He is the head of the body, the Church.

Because I have made Jesus Lord of my life and I endeavor to let him lead me and guide me to that extent he is the "king" of my heart.

A king rules and has all things under his subjection. . . I do not see that yet.

 

[crosspreacher]

The millenium is only for the bride and the bridegroom alone.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The millenium is only for the bride and the bridegroom alone.

what about the people who "endure to the end" and all of their offspring?

 

[crosspreacher]

"Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready."
And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright , for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.
Rev. 19 vs 7
It is only the bride who is prepared

 

[eternally-gratefull]

"Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready."
And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright , for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.
Rev. 19 vs 7
It is only the bride who is prepared

true. But scripture does not say only the bride will enter the kingdom. Many children will be born then.. and they too have to make a choice to receive Christ, or reject him.

 

[crosspreacher]

true. But scripture does not say only the bride will enter the kingdom. Many children will be born then.. and they too have to make a choice to receive Christ, or reject him.

I think I did not read this verse. Can you give me the refference , please.

 

[peterT]

The 1000 years has not begun yet.

Rv20;1And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

If you are in a bottomless pit in a prison and shut up,, chained and sealed with a key, how can you walketh about as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour. You cannot deceive nations or tempt individuals or do anything, if you are in a bottomless pit in a prison and shut up,, chained and sealed with a key.


The 1000 years has not begun yet as the devil is still loose , and walketh about, as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour:


1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I think I did not read this verse. Can you give me the reference , please.

Matt 24
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. [SUP]12 [/SUP]And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. [SUP]13 [/SUP]But he who endures to the end shall be saved. [SUP]14 [/SUP]And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

Christ spoke these words, do you know who he was talking about? And think, it is speaking of his return at the end of "great tribulation"

 

[zone]

Because I have made Jesus Lord of my life and I endeavor to let him lead me and guide me to that extent he is the "king" of my heart."

hahaha.....ok

you made Jesus The Lord of your life.
how did you do that exactly?

doesn't He have to be Lord in order for you to do that?
how did you make Him anything?

Acts 2:36
Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.”

God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus.

so, it was not you who made Jesus anything, was it?

God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus

so we see that God made Jesus Lord.
did He make Jesus Lord for Israel also?

Acts 2:36
Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.”

yes, it says He did.
doesn't it?

and what else did God (not you or me or paul or anybody else) make Him to be for Israel?

Acts 2:36
Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.”

both Lord and Christ

so Jesus was made both Lord and Christ for Israel.
what is Christ?

Christos: the Anointed One, Messiah, Christ
Original Word: Χριστός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: Christos
Phonetic Spelling: (khris-tos')
Short Definition: Anointed One, the Messiah, the Christ
Definition: Anointed One; the Messiah, the Christ.

so their Messiah DID come.
their Lord DID come.

was he not made King also?

let's see....

Luke 2:11
For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.

Acts 13:23
Of this man’s [king David's] offspring God has brought to Israel a Savior, Jesus, as he promised.

did God bring to Israel from the House of David, a Lord, a Savior, the Messiah as He promised?

it says He did...not that He will later, or that His Plans were thwarted.

it says He did what He PROMISED.

so did God make Jesus King also, or do we make Jesus the "king of our hearts"?

Matthew 2:2
and asked, "Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star in the east and have come to worship him."

were the Magi wrong?
they said Jesus was born a King.
and they worshipped Him.

did they just make Him "king of their hearts"?

Matthew 21:5
Say to the Daughter of Zion, 'See, your king comes to you, gentle and riding on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a donkey.'"

what went wrong? did Israel not know?
did everybody get it wrong?

Zechariah 9:9
Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion! Shout aloud, O daughter of Jerusalem! Behold, your king is coming to you; righteous and having salvation is he, humble and mounted on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a donkey.

no, it says God told them this would happen.
and that the King would come.

what did The King come bringing to Israel?

Behold, your king is coming to you; righteous and having salvation is he

did Jesus do everything He was supposed to do?

did the people have advance knowledge their Lord and Messiah and Savior would come?
was it foretold to them while they were in captivity awaiting their Deliverer?


Daniel 9
24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

if Daniel 9 is not fulfilled, you do not have a Lord of your life, no king in your heart, and no salvation.

and this all went TO ISRAEL FIRST.

those who remained and entered the new Covenant he made with them remained and we know them as the Church.
those who didn't remain were cut off.

gentiles were grafted in.

One faith, One Lord, One people, One church, One Plan, One Gospel.

does anything at all that is in this post suggest to you that Israel or anyone else has anything remaining that God did not fulfill on THEIR behalf?

please tell me what the future 1,000 years IS FOR.