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Hizikyah

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Paying taxes to the beast supports the beast, including all it's wars and evil actions.
 
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Paying taxes to the beast supports the beast, including all it's wars and evil actions.
?? what do you mean by this.

render to ceasar that which is ceasars comes to mind. Ceasar was the 4th beast.

 

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?? what do you mean by this.

render to ceasar that which is ceasars comes to mind. Ceasar was the 4th beast.

That's what the Jews also thought. However, Christ did not think like that. Christ thought the fourth beast was in Jerusalem, in the heart of God's people, in the Pharisee. Why did Caiaphas (and not Pilates) felt menaced by Jesus Christ?
 
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That's what the Jews also thought. However, Christ did not think like that. Christ thought the fourth beast was in Jerusalem, in the heart of God's people, in the Pharisee. Why did Caiaphas (and not Pilates) felt menaced by Jesus Christ?
Christ is the one who said render to ceasar that which is ceasars.

The 4th beast is rome, The pharisees do not even come close to representing the 4th beast.

Mind if I ask where you get this from?
 
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Christ is the one who said render to ceasar that which is ceasars.

The 4th beast is rome, The pharisees do not even come close to representing the 4th beast.

Mind if I ask where you get this from?
From the New Testament.
 

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Christ is the one who said render to ceasar that which is ceasars.

I said the Jews also thought that Rome was the fourth beast and that Christ thought otherwise. I didn't say it wasn't Christ who said to render to Ceasar what belongs to Ceasar.


 
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From the New Testament.
so we ignore daniel? and the NT makes daniel null and void?

You need to study the OT more. Your missing alot of Gods great treasure.
 

Hizikyah

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Yeremyah 23:15, "Therefore, this is what Yahweh of hosts says concerning these prophets; Behold, I will feed them with wormwood, and make them drink the water of gall; for from the prophets of Yerusalem profaneness has gone out into all the land."

Revelation 2:9, "I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan."



Amos 5:26, "Instead you have lifted up the idolatrous temple of Molech; your god and Chiun your star-god, the star of your god which you made for yourselves."

Mattithyah 15:2-3, "Why do Your disciples transgress the traditions of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat. But He answered, and said to them: And why do you transgress the Laws of Yahweh by your traditions?"
 
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?? what do you mean by this.

render to ceasar that which is ceasars comes to mind. Ceasar was the 4th beast.

Caesar represents that which rules over us by means of accepting the use of his property. If I lent you my car, I expect you to obey the rules of the road, don't smoke, fill up the gas tank and return my car by 12 am. Those are the rules I as the owner of the car have made to you who wants to borrow the car.

It is the same with those who owns the "right" to print money. You are given the money under rules, laws, statutes, codes and by laws you must comply with as stipulations for using it.

The difference however between the car and the dollar is that with the car, you disclosed of all the facts and stipulations attached before using the car. With money the facts were not disclosed to you as you were initially pledge as collateral to that dollar without your consent, never taught in school about this deception and bombarded with media aimed to keep you misinformed for the purpose of robbing you of the life we only see the "rich" living.


We're only poor because we believe that there is a such thing as rich.
 

Hizikyah

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I mean if one gives the beast money they are helping the beast.

The 1st vid may clarify the beast and image, 2nd how finances play a factor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7ttb-VFFuM&list=UUeiD5MkMuyK_b5r3R_wta8w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBdBTzIJjv4&list=UUeiD5MkMuyK_b5r3R_wta8w
the beast is the ruler of the final gentile empire.

If he is yuor leader. and you do not pay your taxes. You are going against the word of God.
Mark 12:17, "Thus Yahshua declared, saying to them: Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to Yahweh the things that are Yahweh's. And they marveled at Him."


Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's:

Romans 13:8, "Owe no man anything, except to love one another, for he who loves another has performed the Law. For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are briefly summed up in this (Law Leviticus 19:18); namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself. Love works no harm to his neighbor; therefore, love is the fulness of the Law."

Titus 1:9, "Holding fast the teaching according to the faithful word in order that he may be able, by sound doctrine, both to exhort and to refute those who contradict."

Leviticus 19:17, "You shall not hate your neighbor in your heart. Rebuke your brother or your sister frankly, so you will not share in his or her guilt."

Luke 17:3-4, "So be on your guard! If your brother trespasses against you, rebuke him! But if he repents, forgive him! And if he trespasses against you seven times in one day, and seven times in that day turns to you, and says; I repent; then you must forgive him."


to Yahweh the things that are Yahweh's:

Acts 5:29, "Then Kepha and the other apostles answered, and said; We must aobey Yahweh rather than men."

Romans 6:13, "And do not offer the members of your body to sin, as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to Yahweh, as those who have returned from death to life, and offer the members of your body to Him as instruments of righteousness."

1 Corinthians 2:9, "But as it is written: Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the mind of man the things which Yahweh has prepared for those who love Him."

Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."

Deuteronomy 10:12-13, "And now, O Israyl, what does Yahweh your Father require of you, but to reverence Yahweh your Father by walking in all His ways, by loving Him, by serving Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul. By keeping the Laws of Yahweh, with His statutes, which I command you this day, so that you may be blessed?"

1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

Mattithyah 22:37, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might."
 
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Mark 12:17, "Thus Yahshua declared, saying to them: Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to Yahweh the things that are Yahweh's. And they marveled at Him."


Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's:

Romans 13:8, "Owe no man anything, except to love one another, for he who loves another has performed the Law. For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are briefly summed up in this (Law Leviticus 19:18); namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself. Love works no harm to his neighbor; therefore, love is the fulness of the Law."

Titus 1:9, "Holding fast the teaching according to the faithful word in order that he may be able, by sound doctrine, both to exhort and to refute those who contradict."

Leviticus 19:17, "You shall not hate your neighbor in your heart. Rebuke your brother or your sister frankly, so you will not share in his or her guilt."

Luke 17:3-4, "So be on your guard! If your brother trespasses against you, rebuke him! But if he repents, forgive him! And if he trespasses against you seven times in one day, and seven times in that day turns to you, and says; I repent; then you must forgive him."


to Yahweh the things that are Yahweh's:

Acts 5:29, "Then Kepha and the other apostles answered, and said; We must aobey Yahweh rather than men."

Romans 6:13, "And do not offer the members of your body to sin, as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to Yahweh, as those who have returned from death to life, and offer the members of your body to Him as instruments of righteousness."

1 Corinthians 2:9, "But as it is written: Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the mind of man the things which Yahweh has prepared for those who love Him."

Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."

Deuteronomy 10:12-13, "And now, O Israyl, what does Yahweh your Father require of you, but to reverence Yahweh your Father by walking in all His ways, by loving Him, by serving Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul. By keeping the Laws of Yahweh, with His statutes, which I command you this day, so that you may be blessed?"

1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

Mattithyah 22:37, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might."
what does this have to do with paying taxes?

The pharisees tried to get Jesus to free them from paying taxes to ceasar. Jesus would not buy into their tactic. And told them to pay their taxes.

Some people I tell you.. Your going to act like the pharisees and try to get out of paying your taxes? I hate them to. I think they are stealing money from hard working people. But I am going to pay my taxes. and not give God another bad bname as a person who disobays the laws of the land.
 

Hizikyah

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what does this have to do with paying taxes?

The pharisees tried to get Jesus to free them from paying taxes to ceasar. Jesus would not buy into their tactic. And told them to pay their taxes.

Some people I tell you.. Your going to act like the pharisees and try to get out of paying your taxes? I hate them to. I think they are stealing money from hard working people. But I am going to pay my taxes. and not give God another bad bname as a person who disobays the laws of the land.
Ive never heard you outraged over disobedience to the Law of Yahweh like you are now.

If you look into the "Federal" Reserve, they are the MONEYCHANGERS that had their table flipped over. What they are doing is against the law of the land. Fiat banking and a fractional reserve currency... this is the largest criminal enterprise on earth.

So clearly you did not watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBdB...yK_b5r3R_wta8w

 

Hizikyah

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Fiat banking and a fractional reserve currency... this is the largest criminal enterprise on earth.
If these terms are new to anyone reading this or my statement sounds odd. Please study these terms and the Federal Reserve.
 

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so we ignore daniel? and the NT makes daniel null and void?

You need to study the OT more. Your missing alot of Gods great treasure.
So who do you think was Christ referring to when he said :“So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’[a]spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 "
 

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If you want to know who was Christ referring to, simply read, in the chapter before, the seven woes. I give you a clue: the "woes" weren't against Ceasar.
 
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what does this have to do with paying taxes?

The pharisees tried to get Jesus to free them from paying taxes to ceasar. Jesus would not buy into their tactic. And told them to pay their taxes.

Some people I tell you.. Your going to act like the pharisees and try to get out of paying your taxes? I hate them to. I think they are stealing money from hard working people. But I am going to pay my taxes. and not give God another bad bname as a person who disobays the laws of the land.
That isn't true. Sure the Pharisees didn't want to pay taxes, WHO DOES? Their goal was to get a confirmed verbal defiance to their captors to have a reason to bring charges against Him.

Christ's response further angered because He gave them what they were looking for, just not what they wanted to publicly hear! He implied that it was a matter of CHOICE. Who's face is on the dollar we use? Who's signature gives it authorization? Then render unto the Fed Reserve (Caesar) what is the Fed's. And the thing is, THEY REALLY ONLY OWN PAPER!
 

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So who do you think was Christ referring to when he said :“So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’[a]spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand—16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.17 "
It will be the believing Jews during the Tribulation. After all it's for those in Judea and it is addressed to those readers who understand.