Joel Osteen book "Your Best Life Now"

Depleted · Feb 20, 2018

Then you admit it! You're no different than someone talking politics.

You're the one not listening.

Old adage:
If someone calls you a duck, ignore it.
If two people call you a duck, think about it.
If three? Start waddling and quacking.

Dozens, if not hundreds, have called you a duck, and yet you completely utterly, boastfully ignore it!

So, who is not listening again?

BTW, this isn't a country. It's a website!

eternally-gratefull · Feb 20, 2018

joaniemarie said:

Sorry sister, Reading the review is not going to help me give an ounce of support for any book written by Joel Olsteen, It could be the best review every written, it would not change my view one degree the other way.

The book, whether the best book ever or the worse book ever, is tainted by the author. And not worth even giving the time of day to.

Depleted · Feb 20, 2018

joaniemarie said:

I see a pattern here. God's love and grace is poured out in all of us. And on these forums we have opportunity to be salt and light and show people how to respond to life and how we walk our Christian walk. A person came on this site the other day but was scared off by all the anger and hostility. I can honestly say it didn't come from me. I simply have a different interpretation of the book of Job and of Joel O.than some of those who came to my thread here.
Unless we come together and listen and "reason" there is no discussion.

Thornapple isn't salt.

You don't come to reason nor bring light.

You pamphlet.

Seedz · Feb 20, 2018

The title of the book is "Your best Life NOWWWWWW"

Did Jesus, Paul, and the other apostles tell us that we were to have our best life in the flesh?

eternally-gratefull · Feb 20, 2018

Depleted said:

I am just going by what I have heard by many people who I trust.

But if I have to give a nay or a yay by experience. I do not know. I know many years ago I read a book of his, And if I remember, it was a decent book. (It was not about prosperity or gifting, it was about something else) But I would not read that book, or support it today. For any reason.

Depleted · Feb 20, 2018

joaniemarie said:

Then folly and shame on you, because you don't listen!

joaniemarie · Feb 20, 2018

joaniemarie said:

Posting the OP again. The challenge is to hear the review. Not an endorsement of the book., not a 5 star rating of the book. Not an encouragement to buy the book. It's to help see how prejudice we Christians can be and even foolish by refusing to hear someone out. And then the way Christians can take other people apart and put them back together making them into a person not even remotely like the original.

Depleted · Feb 20, 2018

Budman said:

If you're giving away dollars...

Budman · Feb 20, 2018

Larry King interview with Joel Osteen:

KING: But don’t you think i f people don’t believe as you believe, they’re somehow condemned?

OSTEEN: You know, I think that happens in our society. But I try not to do that. I tell people all the time, preached a couple Sundays about it. I’m for every body. You may not agree with me, but to me it’s not my job to try to straighten every body out. The Gospel [is] called the good news. My message is a message of hope—that God’s for you. You can live a good life no matter what’s happened to you. And so I don’t know. I know there is condemnation but I don’t feel that’s my place.…

KING: Many evangelists feel that the church, the church it self, the religion, has failed. You share that view?

OSTEEN: Well, I think in a sense when you see certain things in society you would think that. But in another sense I see faith in America, faith in the world, at an all-time high today. When I was growing up it was a big deal to have a church of 1,000. Now there’s churches of 10,000. So many of them. So I think in one sense I can agree with that point. But in an other sense I see a real spiritual awakening taking place.…

KING: Is it hard to lead a Christian life?

OSTEEN: I don’t think it’s that hard. To me it’s fun. We have joy and happiness. Our family—I don’t feel like that at all. I’m not trying to follow a set of rules and stuff. I’ m just living my life.

KING: What if you’re Jewish or Muslim, you don’t accept Christ at all?

OSTEEN: You know, I’m very careful about saying who would and wouldn’t go to Heaven. I don’t know…

KING: If you believe you have to believe in Christ, they’re wrong, aren’t they?

OSTEEN: Well, I don’t know if I believe they’re wrong. I believe here’s what the Bible teaches and from the Christian faith this is what I believe. But I just think that only God will judge a person’s heart. I spent a lot of time in India with my father. I don ’t know all about their religion. But I know they love God. And I don’t know. I’ve seen their sincerity. So I don’t know. I know for me, and what the Bible teaches, I want to have a relationship with Jesus.

CALLER: Hello, Larry. You’re the best, and thank you, Joe—Joel—for your positive messages and your book. I’m wondering, though, why you side-stepped Larry’s earlier question about how we get to Heaven? The Bible clearly tells us that Jesus is the way, the truth and the life and the only way to the Father is through him. That’s not really a message of condemnation but of truth.

OSTEEN: Yes, I would agree with her. I believe that.

KING: So then a Jew is not going to Heaven?

OSTEEN: No, here’s my thing, Larry, is I can’t judge some body’s heart. You know? Only God can look at some - body’s heart, and so—I don’t know. To me, it’s not my business to say, you know, this one is or this one isn’t. I just say, here’s what the Bible teaches and I’m going to put my faith in Christ. And I just—I think it’s wrong when you go around saying, you’re not going, you’re not going, you’re not going, you’re not going, because it’s not exactly my way. I’m just…

KING: But you believe your way.

OSTEEN: I believe my way. I believe my way with all my heart.

KING: But for some one who doesn’t share it is wrong, isn’t he?

OSTEEN: Well, yes. Well, I don’t know if I look at it like that. I would present my way, but I’m just going to let God be the judge of that. I don’t know. I don’t know.

KING: So you make no judgment on anyone?

OSTEEN: No. But I ...

KING: What about atheists?

OSTEEN: You know what, I’m going to let some one—I’m going to let God be the judge of who goes to Heaven and hell. I just—again, I present the truth, and I say it every week. You know, I believe it’s a relationship with Jesus. But you know what? I’m not going to go around telling every body else if they don’t want to believe that, that’s going to be their choice. God’s got to look at your own heart. God’s got to look at your heart, and only God knows that.

WHY would any Bible believing Christian want to read a book by this man???

Depleted · Feb 20, 2018

joaniemarie said:

Have you ever tried it? I haven't seen you even truly responding to people who like you.

For instance, you ignored what Stunned said for weeks if not months, pushed off Ed, did nothing more to Stone except a quick pat on the back, and thanked your followers. I have never seen you give a true response to anyone about anything.

What I do see is
-- say one thing that is about maybe halfway related to what the other person said
-- whoa-is-me
-- How Christians should act (always aimed at everyone BUT you)
and on a really ambitious moment
-- toss in some verses from the Bible. And even when you do that, it's still about you, not about what has been said.

wolfwint · Feb 20, 2018

joaniemarie said:

Yes its a free country. But spreeading the ideas of false teacher should not be ignored. Many are deceived from false teachers like him. For what reason you open this thread? Yes, you are free to do it, but then you must accept that maby somebody dont like that lies are spreadet in a christian chat.

eternally-gratefull · Feb 20, 2018

The people I have spoke to say he was corrupted by money, He changed much of what he believes from a gospel of truth, to a gospel of universalism, and then moved to health and wealth. In order to reap up for himself more money.

remember, when the major flooding occurred in his hometown, he did not even want to open his church, it would hurt his pocketbook to much, it took a lot of negative publicity, which would have hurt his pocketbook more. To get him to relent and open his church.

I am sorry, but to even mention his name is an insult to God and his people.

Stunnedbygrace · Feb 20, 2018

Depleted said:

I noted this too. She isn't even wanting to have a conversation with those who AGREE with her beyond a "praise God and pass the salt please." Its part of the whole creepiness of it.

If someone is seeing something new to them, I'll do everything I can to stay and talk with them as they waffle back and forth, bringing in the doubts again by remembering what the world has so repeatedly taught them and trying to throw it off for good!

But then, those who agree with her have already been proselytised so...they aren't her goal, so why waste time with them?

joaniemarie · Feb 20, 2018

joaniemarie said:

This is a book review done by a Christian man on line named Ron Saunders from "Jew and Greek" who brings truth to light about controversial Christians and what they actually do hold to vs what they have been accused of holding to . Ron Saunders does his due diligence to show the truth apart from prejudice and I really appreciate that.

I've shared many of my views and most of my threads get taken over by the same people who do not believe in healing in the atonement. I never realized how other Christians could disassemble another Christian and then put them back together so wrongly and present it as the truth.

This review is about Joel Osteen's book "Your Best Life Now" I was very surprised about it's contents since I've never read the book and figured it was more of a motivational book. Which it is but it also has Biblical principals. I was also very happy to find out about Joel's father John Osteen. Amazing man of God. I hope you who came to this new thread will give Ron Saunders book review a listen. It gave me a new perspective on Joel O. and a great appreciation for His dad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmiv9poM6qI

Re posting so the thread is not side tracked. Blessings.

Stunnedbygrace · Feb 20, 2018

Oh good grief...

1ofthem · Feb 20, 2018

joaniemarie said:

I think God is sending out a message to you. This isn’t just the few churches and people that you dealt with in your past coming against these false teachings. This is people from all over the US and many different places in the world pleading with you to take a closer look at the word of God.

Like I said on the other thread, I have tried to avoid your threads because I felt like you just didn’t understand and didn’t want to offend you, but like (I think it was RoseMary) who said on the other thread…I felt I had to say something. God would not let me just keep passing it by…I am no one really, but the thing about it is I think God laid it on many people’s hearts here to try to warn and reach you.

And like Depleted said, when you see this many Christians, all of which are from many different backgrounds and walks in life, coming up against what you are saying and posting… then it is time to reflect on yourself and what you are posting.

I am not trying to offend you, I am concerned for you, and think God is trying to send you a message. I am praying and hope you will listen. Either way, I think he is wanting these threads to stop or at the very least be outted for what they really are (false teachings) because there are too many Christians all from different backgrounds coming together and refuting them with the word of God.

Nehemiah6 · Feb 20, 2018

joaniemarie said:

How can there be blessings from false teachers and false teachings? Joel Osteen is another false teacher, and now that you have been reminded about this by several Christians, you are simply being provocative.

joaniemarie · Feb 20, 2018

eternally-gratefull said:

I am just going by what I have heard by many people who I trust.

But if I have to give a nay or a yay by experience. I do not know. I know many years ago I read a book of his, And if I remember, it was a decent book. (It was not about prosperity or gifting, it was about something else) But I would not read that book, or support it today. For any reason.

"I'm just going by what I heard....."

PennEd · Feb 20, 2018

Budman said:

Larry King interview with Joel Osteen:

KING: But don’t you think i f people don’t believe as you believe, they’re somehow condemned?

OSTEEN: You know, I think that happens in our society. But I try not to do that. I tell people all the time, preached a couple Sundays about it. I’m for every body. You may not agree with me, but to me it’s not my job to try to straighten every body out. The Gospel [is] called the good news. My message is a message of hope—that God’s for you. You can live a good life no matter what’s happened to you. And so I don’t know. I know there is condemnation but I don’t feel that’s my place.…

KING: Many evangelists feel that the church, the church it self, the religion, has failed. You share that view?

OSTEEN: Well, I think in a sense when you see certain things in society you would think that. But in another sense I see faith in America, faith in the world, at an all-time high today. When I was growing up it was a big deal to have a church of 1,000. Now there’s churches of 10,000. So many of them. So I think in one sense I can agree with that point. But in an other sense I see a real spiritual awakening taking place.…

KING: Is it hard to lead a Christian life?

OSTEEN: I don’t think it’s that hard. To me it’s fun. We have joy and happiness. Our family—I don’t feel like that at all. I’m not trying to follow a set of rules and stuff. I’ m just living my life.

KING: What if you’re Jewish or Muslim, you don’t accept Christ at all?

OSTEEN: You know, I’m very careful about saying who would and wouldn’t go to Heaven. I don’t know…

KING: If you believe you have to believe in Christ, they’re wrong, aren’t they?

OSTEEN: Well, I don’t know if I believe they’re wrong. I believe here’s what the Bible teaches and from the Christian faith this is what I believe. But I just think that only God will judge a person’s heart. I spent a lot of time in India with my father. I don ’t know all about their religion. But I know they love God. And I don’t know. I’ve seen their sincerity. So I don’t know. I know for me, and what the Bible teaches, I want to have a relationship with Jesus.

CALLER: Hello, Larry. You’re the best, and thank you, Joe—Joel—for your positive messages and your book. I’m wondering, though, why you side-stepped Larry’s earlier question about how we get to Heaven? The Bible clearly tells us that Jesus is the way, the truth and the life and the only way to the Father is through him. That’s not really a message of condemnation but of truth.

OSTEEN: Yes, I would agree with her. I believe that.

KING: So then a Jew is not going to Heaven?

OSTEEN: No, here’s my thing, Larry, is I can’t judge some body’s heart. You know? Only God can look at some - body’s heart, and so—I don’t know. To me, it’s not my business to say, you know, this one is or this one isn’t. I just say, here’s what the Bible teaches and I’m going to put my faith in Christ. And I just—I think it’s wrong when you go around saying, you’re not going, you’re not going, you’re not going, you’re not going, because it’s not exactly my way. I’m just…

KING: But you believe your way.

OSTEEN: I believe my way. I believe my way with all my heart.

KING: But for some one who doesn’t share it is wrong, isn’t he?

OSTEEN: Well, yes. Well, I don’t know if I look at it like that. I would present my way, but I’m just going to let God be the judge of that. I don’t know. I don’t know.

KING: So you make no judgment on anyone?

OSTEEN: No. But I ...

KING: What about atheists?

OSTEEN: You know what, I’m going to let some one—I’m going to let God be the judge of who goes to Heaven and hell. I just—again, I present the truth, and I say it every week. You know, I believe it’s a relationship with Jesus. But you know what? I’m not going to go around telling every body else if they don’t want to believe that, that’s going to be their choice. God’s got to look at your own heart. God’s got to look at your heart, and only God knows that.

WHY would any Bible believing Christian want to read a book by this man???

This text actually makes me feel bad for Joel. It's like he aaaaalmost has it.

God is the one who GIVES the new heart. The hearts of muslims, jews, hindus, atheists, God doesn't have to search. THEY ARE DEAD! They must be given a NEW heart, and they can't get that by hearing a wishy washy, maaaaybe their way is ok gospel.

His reluctance to just flat out say that there is NO other way than through Jesus Christ is disturbing.

joaniemarie · Feb 20, 2018

Not agreeing with the people on this thread doesn't count as not agreeing with the whole of Christendom. This group of maybe 10 or so Christians on this thread are not my standard of truth. The Bible is and the Holy Spirit as He ministers.

I am not alone in my beliefs in healing in the atonement nor about many other topics I've shared from other Christians who have been dismissed as quickly as I have. Just a matter of being basically out numbered in this forum. Which is not odd.

Maybe some of you guys need to get out of the house more and visit other Christians who are not exactly the same as you are. We are out there all over the place and some of us are trying to fellowship with you and share with you. But you keep shutting the door.

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