John 3:16 what exactly does it mean in detail!!

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eternally-gratefull

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Why is it hard to believe that all men are saved? Some of you seem to even want some to perish.

People reject this message because there is no profit in it. It is truly free.
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No, Like God we are willing that non should parish. However God is not a slave master. He is not going to force someone who does not want to to receive his gift of salvation. To think everyone is going to heaven is a copout. Everyone can live as they wish and there are no consequences. This is just not true.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
No, Like God we are willing that non should parish. However God is not a slave master. He is not going to force someone who does not want to to receive his gift of salvation. To think everyone is going to heaven is a copout. Everyone can live as they wish and there are no consequences. This is just not true.
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If you believe this them why are they here? No one asked to be here but we were subjected to this by God. And do you really see error in all men saved?
 
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I however will stake my life on it.
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And you will waste your life defending a false doctrine that I would say is a heresy of the highest magnitude. Not everyone will be saved. If that is the case, then the blood of Jesus is pointless. We have the mandate to preach the gospel to all people, so as to keep them from eternal separation from God in the lake of fire.
 
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And you will waste your life defending a false doctrine that I would say is a heresy of the highest magnitude. Not everyone will be saved. If that is the case, then the blood of Jesus is pointless. We have the mandate to preach the gospel to all people, so as to keep them from eternal separation from God in the lake of fire.
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What do you do or go through that any so called unbeliever doesn't?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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If you believe this them why are they here? No one asked to be here but we were subjected to this by God. And do you really see error in all men saved?
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God could have destroyed mankind when we turned against him. But he didn't. If he did, neither of us would be here having this conversation, we would have never existed. He could have made all babies he knew would never accept him die. and only kept the ones who would chose him alive. would this be fair> I know many would complain about this.

The fact is, He died for everyone, he gives everyone the same chance. What we do has no bearing on what he did, He died for us when we were his enemy. If we reject him, thats not his fault.

Yes I do see error in all men saved. If someone came and offered you a get out of jail card, and you did not have to do anything bu trust him, and you refused his offer. Thats your fault. Not the man who offered. And you do not deserve saved. You deserve your fate.
 
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God could have destroyed mankind when we turned against him. But he didn't. If he did, neither of us would be here having this conversation, we would have never existed. He could have made all babies he knew would never accept him die. and only kept the ones who would chose him alive. would this be fair> I know many would complain about this.

The fact is, He died for everyone, he gives everyone the same chance. What we do has no bearing on what he did, He died for us when we were his enemy. If we reject him, thats not his fault.

Yes I do see error in all men saved. If someone came and offered you a get out of jail card, and you did not have to do anything bu trust him, and you refused his offer. Thats your fault. Not the man who offered. And you do not deserve saved. You deserve your fate.
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What would you change in your life if all men are saved?
Whatever I deemed evil or bad to me still is however I no longer do it out of fear but in the power of love. The law then becomes established through me.
 
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What do you do or go through that any so called unbeliever doesn't?
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Placing my faith in Jesus Christ alone for salvation would be the answer.
 
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What would you change in your life if all men are saved?
Whatever I deemed evil or bad to me still is however I no longer do it out of fear but in the power of love. The law then becomes established through me.
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It doesn't matter what we say or think, it is "What does the Bible say?". And what you believe is found in the confines of fallen degenerate mans idea that God is not holy, or righteous, or just but only love. Sadly such a heresy is found not in the Word of God and has led many people straight to hell. Universalism is one of the worst heresies man with the help of Satan came up with.
 
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Placing my faith in Jesus Christ alone for salvation would be the answer.
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Then why not believe in His message? He came not to destroy men's lives but to save them. He would not have condemn you so why then condemn another?
 
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It doesn't matter what we say or think, it is "What does the Bible say?". And what you believe is found in the confines of fallen degenerate mans idea that God is not holy, or righteous, or just but only love. Sadly such a heresy is found not in the Word of God and has led many people straight to hell. Universalism is one of the worst heresies man with the help of Satan came up with.
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What I state can be fully backed with scripture but you continue to search for eternal life in that book. It is not there.
 
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What I state can be fully backed with scripture but you continue to search for eternal life in that book. It is not there.
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No, it can't. Eternal life is not found in a book, it's found in Jesus Christ, actually Jesus Christ is eternal life.

1 John 1:2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)

A person cannot have eternal life outside of Jesus Christ (John 3:16), they can have eternal death, but not eternal life.
 
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Then why not believe in His message? He came not to destroy men's lives but to save them. He would not have condemn you so why then condemn another?
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The message you are teaching is not the message of the Bible. Christ did come to save, but not everyone accepts Him, and it is their fault because God offers them a free gift.
 
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Then why not believe in His message? He came not to destroy men's lives but to save them. He would not have condemn you so why then condemn another?
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It is true that God wants all men to be saved and God has given everything for our salvation but people must choose for themselves anyone who will not be in heaven will be there of there own fault.

John 3:16-18
(16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
(17) For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
(18) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Jeremiah 7:25-27
(25) Since the day that your fathers came forth out of the land of Egypt unto this day I have even sent unto you all my servants the prophets, daily rising up early and sending them:
(26) Yet they hearkened not unto me, nor inclined their ear, but hardened their neck: they did worse than their fathers.
(27) Therefore thou shalt speak all these words unto them; but they will not hearken to thee: thou shalt also call unto them; but they will not answer thee.

God sends His message to people, but the problem is not everyone will listen to the voice of God
 
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It is true that God wants all men to be saved and God has given everything for our salvation but people must choose for themselves anyone who will not be in heaven will be there of there own fault.

John 3:16-18
(16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
(17) For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
(18) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Jeremiah 7:25-27
(25) Since the day that your fathers came forth out of the land of Egypt unto this day I have even sent unto you all my servants the prophets, daily rising up early and sending them:
(26) Yet they hearkened not unto me, nor inclined their ear, but hardened their neck: they did worse than their fathers.
(27) Therefore thou shalt speak all these words unto them; but they will not hearken to thee: thou shalt also call unto them; but they will not answer thee.

God sends His message to people, but the problem is not everyone will listen to the voice of God
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Again I will say that the EARNEST expectation of the the creature us the manifestation of the sons of God. Every one believes.

What is that condemnation? That light has come into the world but men loved darkness rather than light, because their DEEDS were evil.

Men loved darkness (condemning one another) instead of the light. What did God do in Jesus?

Jeremiah 28:15-17

16Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.

17Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.

18And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.

The covenant of death was disannulled! However because most love darkness in condemning another man, we are trodden under foot by it.

Once again I will point out that their DEEDS were evil. What happens to their deeds or WORK when the day reveals it? Is not the unbeliever still saved though his deeds are burned for a loss?
 
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Again I will say that the EARNEST expectation of the the creature us the manifestation of the sons of God. Every one believes.

What is that condemnation? That light has come into the world but men loved darkness rather than light, because their DEEDS were evil.

Men loved darkness (condemning one another) instead of the light. What did God do in Jesus?

Jeremiah 28:15-17

16Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.

17Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.

18And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.

The covenant of death was disannulled! However because most love darkness in condemning another man, we are trodden under foot by it.

Once again I will point out that their DEEDS were evil. What happens to their deeds or WORK when the day reveals it? Is not the unbeliever still saved though his deeds are burned for a loss?
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Everyone whose name is not written in the book of life is thrown into the lake of fire. The only way that one has their name written in this book, which book is Jesus Christ, is to be born again of the Holy Spirit. And not all have been born of Him, and not all will be born of Him.

God will not be mocked.
 
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Everyone whose name is not written in the book of life is thrown into the lake of fire. The only way that one has their name written in this book, which book is Jesus Christ, is to be born again of the Holy Spirit. And not all have been born of Him, and not all will be born of Him.

God will not be mocked.
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Malachi 2:10

10Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?


We all have one Father and thus written in Him before the foundation of the world.
 
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Malachi 2:10

10Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?


We all have one Father and thus written in Him before the foundation of the world.
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Well, then that makes Jesus mistaken, when He told the Jews that they were of their father the devil. And this makes John wrong, when he stated that the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious, especially if there are no children of the devil.

Something is wrong with your theology.
 
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Once again I will point out that their DEEDS were evil. What happens to their deeds or WORK when the day reveals it? Is not the unbeliever still saved though his deeds are burned for a loss?
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So are you saying that we can live like the devil and still be saved?
 
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It is indeed what God has said.

1 Timothy 2:3-4

For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

4Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.


Hebrews 10:6-7

6In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

7Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.


This is not only about animals Phil. We die every day in sacrifice to God and He takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked.

Jesus came to do His Father's will.
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Hi Israel,

Thanks for your reply. Regarding the verses you quote in Timothy Pual is talking about corporate prayer, I a sure we all pray that men will be saved, our leaders friends family etc. and also addressing false teaching through the whole letter. Cf 1:5-7. Paul then seems to arguing against an exclusitive tendencay for some sort of Judaism.. thus downplaying the need to evangelize to the Gentiles. Therefore Paul can with us all say that God wants to see all men saved not just one type or ethnicity.

If you are using 1Timothy 2:3-4 as an argument for uniberaslism, then it falls at the first hurdle, for does not Paul also say in the very same letter:

24The sins of some men are conspicuous, going before them to judgment, but the sins of others appear later 1 Timothy 5:24, cf. 46And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." MTT 25:46

also please refer to in the same letter: 4:1; 6:10; now cf. Mt 25:30, 41, 46; Rev 14:9-22
 
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