Jonah Died and went to Hell

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7seasrekeyed

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And all through the Psalms...

But what the Jews think really doesn't matter when it comes to Scripture.

oh my lands

other than the fact they are the ones who wrote the contents of the Bible

some real earnest swiss cheese reasoning going on there :(
 
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The Jews didn't believe in Jesus as well. Does that mean Jesus isn't real? It makes no difference what the Jews believe or didn't believe. What saith the Scriptures is what counts.

what a ridiculous come back

most people today will not believe a big ole grouper swallowed Jonah so does that mean we should not either?

put a belt on your pants. they are around your knees :rolleyes:
 

watcher2013

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Yes, hell is described throughout the Psalms as overflowing floods and waves and suffering.
I would only add that sheol is the Hebrew word and hell is the correct English word. I speak English. It's hell and hell is hot. Sheol makes it seem not that bad.
Are u not confused?
Is it hot in there or overflowing with flood?
 

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just a personal observation here

it seems to me that many start threads to support what they already believe, rather than the thought of asking questions with the view to considering the answer

I've certainly done it, but I really do not start threads anymore...rather than the one about what the blood of Christ has secured for us, which went bust due to an individual who used it as a vehicle for his own persuasions

ah yes. nothing like the BDF :cautious:

alas, I seem to enjoy a little conflict...keeps the old noodle working
Good post. Thank you. :)
And I do see your point. I would hope that those who do as you describe would be open to gentle prodding to inform that they are mistaken in what they think they know. Being wrong about Exegesis, or any particular subject in Bible studies and that particularly concerns the foundation of one's faith, I would think would be a problem for that one who holds faith. They'd want to know the right answer, the right way to see scripture, the right understanding that informs, the Bible wasn't written in English first, etc...

And you and I both have encountered those types of people.
The one's that are the counter to that, that resort to bad manners in order to rebuke or assail those who do know what they're talking about are not, in my view, actually interested in learning how to study the Bible, or to learn what the different study subjects actually entail. And I think enough of us here who have encountered that particular mind set are able to discern them and their actual motives, from those aforementioned members who truly wish to learn and have their faith blossom due to right information being shared.

You're noodle by the way is just fine. Some could say you're a whole bowl of spaghetti. And we love you for it.


Sincerely,
meatball. :p
 

Chris1975

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what is actually more than enough?

is that when someone thinks they have found a persuasive article that clearly indicates to them that they are right?

actually, no, the Jews do not believe in hell the way you seem to be representing it in this thread...in fact some do not even believe in an afterlife. period...while some believe in reincarnation

google it. nothing is written in stone. save perhaps the 10 commandments ;)
OK, let's rephrase then....the apostate Jews don't believe in hell. Whereas the Tanakh (if the Jews read it themselves) testifies to Sheol and the Lake of Fire existing.

There....better? ;)
 

Chris1975

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everyone who says they died and went to hell are lying. the bible teaches you cant leave once you are in hell. check rich man and lazarus
Jonah went to hell. Paul went to the Third Heaven. Both continued their walk on earth thereafter.
 

Chris1975

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1. Hell is not lake of fire.
Rev 20:14 KJV And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

2. Peter did not mention spirits after noah.

3. Peter is very specific...angels that sinned...not man.
4. Hell is not sheol
Luk 16:23 KJV And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
Jon 2:2 KJV And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

Both are talking of hell...place of torment...

5. Sheol is not cast in the lake of fire...
Why?
You are not thinking of korea....

Your doctrine is a mess..still want to stick with it....there's nothing to lose if you change but a lot to gain.
Rev 20v14 is actually Death and Hades was thrown into the lake of fire.

Here is proof from the Greek..

Strongs
http://www.godrules.net/library/strongs2b/gre86.htm

So its Death and Hades that is thrown into the Lake of Fire and NOT Death and Hell is thrown into the Lake of Fire.

KJV is getting this wrong consistently. NKJV gets it right.
 

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Nonsense! Jonah is the exception and only proves the rule. This is exactly why the Lord can use him as a type of what he was going to do, that is die physically, his body placed in a tomb, and his soul going to hell to preach victory over sin and death, and deliver those in captivity (Abraham's bosom).
The Book of Revelation proves you are mistaken in this errant proclamation of yours.
Rather than provide the chapters as anyone doing so thus far have had no success in leading you to understanding contrary to your own missives, I'll direct you instead to the Book of Revelation. Wherein we are told NO ONE is yet in Hell.
And add a warning from that Book. If you add to that or deny that, you are condemned.
"And if anyone should take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life, and out of the holy city, of those having been written in this book."
 

Chris1975

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The Book of Revelation proves you are mistaken in this errant proclamation of yours.
Rather than provide the chapters as anyone doing so thus far have had no success in leading you to understanding contrary to your own missives, I'll direct you instead to the Book of Revelation. Wherein we are told NO ONE is yet in Hell.
And add a warning from that Book. If you add to that or deny that, you are condemned.
"And if anyone should take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life, and out of the holy city, of those having been written in this book."
Ease up. The KJV has the wrong translation. Its translating Hades into "Hell" in English. Much of the confusion is arising because of this. He and @watcher2013 are quoting from the KJV and that is why confusion reigns. Fix that and the theology corrects itself.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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Good post. Thank you. :)
And I do see your point. I would hope that those who do as you describe would be open to gentle prodding to inform that they are mistaken in what they think they know. Being wrong about Exegesis, or any particular subject in Bible studies and that particularly concerns the foundation of one's faith, I would think would be a problem for that one who holds faith. They'd want to know the right answer, the right way to see scripture, the right understanding that informs, the Bible wasn't written in English first, etc...

And you and I both have encountered those types of people.
The one's that are the counter to that, that resort to bad manners in order to rebuke or assail those who do know what they're talking about are not, in my view, actually interested in learning how to study the Bible, or to learn what the different study subjects actually entail. And I think enough of us here who have encountered that particular mind set are able to discern them and their actual motives, from those aforementioned members who truly wish to learn and have their faith blossom due to right information being shared.

You're noodle by the way is just fine. Some could say you're a whole bowl of spaghetti. And we love you for it.


Sincerely,
meatball. :p

mmmmm spaghetti....thank you meatball



I am in agreement with your observations on 'good manners'

basic Christianity 101
 
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7seasrekeyed

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OK, let's rephrase then....the apostate Jews don't believe in hell. Whereas the Tanakh (if the Jews read it themselves) testifies to Sheol and the Lake of Fire existing.

There....better? ;)

 
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7seasrekeyed

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Ease up. The KJV has the wrong translation. Its translating Hades into "Hell" in English. Much of the confusion is arising because of this. He and @watcher2013 are quoting from the KJV and that is why confusion reigns. Fix that and the theology corrects itself.

oh cool

a theology patch! :cool:
 

watcher2013

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Rev 20v14 is actually Death and Hades was thrown into the lake of fire.

Here is proof from the Greek..

Strongs
http://www.godrules.net/library/strongs2b/gre86.htm

So its Death and Hades that is thrown into the Lake of Fire and NOT Death and Hell is thrown into the Lake of Fire.

KJV is getting this wrong consistently. NKJV gets it right.
Did you read the synonyms in your link?.
And the footnote...it refers to luke 16:23
 

Chris1975

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Are you saying...
A soul can go to hell, prayed to God..then escapes hell?
Typo, I meant to say Hades (Sheol)
And no this is not a precedent at all. But God is sovereign and can do as HE wishes. And in this case He restored Jonah to his body from Hades.

Hell is only occupied later:
- First two people into Hell are the Beast and False Prophet
- Followed by the Dragon 1000 years later (3rd being into Hell)
- Followed by all the Goats On the Day of Judgement.
 

watcher2013

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Typo, I meant to say Hades (Sheol)
And no this is not a precedent at all. But God is sovereign and can do as HE wishes. And in this case He restored Jonah to his body from Hades.

Hell is only occupied later:
- First two people into Hell are the Beast and False Prophet
- Followed by the Dragon 1000 years later (3rd being into Hell)
- Followed by all the Goats On the Day of Judgement.
Sheol or hades.
Its not a precedent- how do you know its not?
We are not talking about it...we are talking about the possibility of one soul in sheol later escaping sheol/hades should God decide.