Joseph Prince. What is his doctrine? A research thread.

1still_waters · Nov 15, 2013

He's one of the newer big name TV preachers.
I'm not too familiar with his doctrine.
Many others are not familiar with his doctrine.

So let's do some research.

Post content.
Inform each other.

*****ADD ON---GETTING RIGHT TO THE HEART OF THE MATTER*****

This will take just a lil over a minute of your time to prove.

Assertion: Joseph Prince says he stands on the shoulders of Kenneth E. Hagin. Kenneth E. Hagin proudly participates in and encourages "holy laughter"

Proof: "I give thanks tor God for my roots in the Word of Faith teachings. It is truly on the shoulders of great men of God like Brother Kenneth E. Hagin that we are able to see further into the Word of God today. "--(Joseph Prince, Destined to Reign: The Secret to effortless success, wholeness and victorious living p.271)

[video=youtube;cQLAp_WE_qU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQLAp_WE_qU[/video]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQLAp_WE_qU
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Do we really want to follow the teachings of someone who claims to stand on the shoulders of all of that?

Source: Destined to Reign: The Secret to Effortless Success, Wholeness and ... - Joseph Prince - Google Books

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DorothyG · Nov 15, 2013

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WE BELIEVE in one God, who exists in three Persons — the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. He is loving, holy and just.

WE BELIEVE that the Bible is God’s Word. It is inspired and accurate. It is our perfect guide in all matters of life.

WE BELIEVE that sin has separated us all from God, and that only through Jesus Christ can we be reconciled to God.

WE BELIEVE that Jesus Christ is both God and Man. He was conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary. He led a sinless life, took all our sins upon Himself, died and rose again. Today, He is seated at the right hand of the Father as our High Priest and Mediator.

WE BELIEVE that salvation is the gift of God to man. This gift is effected by grace through faith in Jesus Christ and it results in works pleasing to God.

WE BELIEVE that water baptism is a symbol of the cleansing power of God and a testimony of our faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

WE BELIEVE that the Holy Spirit is our Comforter. He guides us in all areas of our lives. He also blesses us with spiritual gifts and empowers us to yield the fruit of the Spirit.

WE BELIEVE that the Holy Communion is a celebration of Jesus’ death and our remembrance of Him.

WE BELIEVE that God wants to transform, heal and provide for us, so that we can live blessed and victorious lives that will impact and help others.

WE BELIEVE that we are called to preach the gospel to all nations.

WE BELIEVE that our Lord Jesus Christ is coming back again just as He promised.

Taken from: http://www.josephprince.org/About_We_Believe.html?active=about
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Bookends · Nov 15, 2013

He is prosperity teacher that mixes truth with error. Stay away. He teaches a licentious to sin gospel.

Closing Words of his book "Destined to Reign"

"Throughout this book, I have endeavored to show you the gospel of Jesus Christ through the Scriptures as well as through my own struggles with the erroneous teachings that I had received as I wass growing in the Lord. I have shown you that under the dispensation of grace, God is not judging you and does not punish His own children with sicknesses, diseases, or accidents. Because of Jesus' finished work at the cross, He will never be angry with you nor rebuke you even when you fail. So don't ever forget the main clause of the new covenant, which says that your sins and your lawless deeds He remembers no more!" pg. 305

Hebrews 12
[h=3]The Discipline of God[/h][SUP]3 [/SUP]For consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners against Himself, lest you become weary and discouraged in your souls. [SUP]4 [/SUP]You have not yet resisted to bloodshed, striving against sin. [SUP]5 [/SUP]And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as to sons:

“My son, do not despise the chastening of the Lord,
Nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For whom the Lord loves He chastens,
And scourges every son whom He receives.”[SUP][a][/SUP]

[SUP]7 [/SUP]If[SUP][/SUP] you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten? [SUP]8 [/SUP]But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live? [SUP]10 [/SUP]For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed best to them, but He for our profit, that we may be partakers of His holiness. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.

Brother_Don · Nov 15, 2013

seems like he is one of the ORU mafia, his doctrine seems like it lines up with theirs.

zone · Nov 15, 2013

Bookends said:

under the dispensation of grace

sigh.

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The Grace Movement, which began about 1938 with the teaching ministries of JC O'Hair, Cornelius R. Stam, Henry T. Hudson and Charles Baker has been labeled "ultra" or "hyper" dispensationalism. The term serves to distinguish a theological system that has applied the tenets of dispensationalism far more consistently than the Acts 2 position. Thus it has also been designated at times as "consistent" dispensationalism.....

....The contrasts between law and grace, prophecy and mystery, Israel and the Church, the body of Christ were promoted by Scofield, Barnhouse and Ironside, then studied and taught by O'Hair, Stam and other "grace" teachers. It is however contended by dispensational teachers such as Charles Caldwell Ryrie, J. Dwight Pentecost and Arnold Fruchtenbaum that ultradispensationalism is removed enough from dispensationalism to not any longer be dispensationalism at all.

Nevertheless, ultradispensationalism continues to be forcefully advocated by many as the consistent position on dispensationalism. They allege that the Acts 2 position does not take the time to properly and fully understand the Mid-Acts position and challenge it in any way other than superficially if at all. Mostly, they feel consistent dispensationalists are ignored and that, until consistent dispensationalism is taken seriously, such dismissals by Acts 2 proponents cannot be taken seriously. Ultradispensationalists consider themselves fundamentalists, evangelical, and serious dispensationalists holding to the tenets of dispensationalism far more strictly and precisely than the more popular Acts 2 position.

Dispensationalism has become very popular with American evangelicalism[citation needed], especially among nondenominational Bible churches, Baptists, Pentecostal, and Charismatic groups.

Protestant denomiminations that as a whole embrace covenant theology reject dispensationalism. For example, the General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church USA termed it "evil and subversive" and regards it as a heresy.[25]

Dispensationalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Is Joseph Prince's Radical Grace Teaching Biblical?
8:00AM EDT 9/11/2013 JOSEPH MATTERA

...The following are some of my concerns with the book. (Since this is not an academic treatise, I am not citing the exact page numbers of Prince’s statements—you just have to read the whole book.)

1. Prince Makes Blanket Statements and Tries to Fit All Scripture Within His System

For example, he says it is not necessary to confess our sins and that Paul’s epistles never give an example of a believer confessing sin....

2. Prince Bases His Theology Only on the Writings of Paul

I find it interesting that Prince says he only preaches the gospel Paul preaches....

3. Prince Doesn’t Clearly Define the Role of the Moral Law of God

Prince says there is no room for preaching the law of God in the church and that God only blesses the message of grace.

5. Prince Teaches That God Can’t Get Angry With or Punish Christians

etc

Is Joseph Prince's Radical Grace Teaching Biblical?

1still_waters · Nov 15, 2013

[video=youtube;GAn4bqNjyXw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAn4bqNjyXw[/video]

In this video he says walking in the light is about location, location, location.
Not necessarily about behavior.

HeRoseFromTheDead · Nov 15, 2013

zone said:

Obviously an economy of grace is different than an economy of law. Is it the term itself that bothers you?

HeRoseFromTheDead · Nov 15, 2013

1still_waters said:

He is plain wrong about sinning in the light. If we sin, we do so in darkness. We have to return to the light to be cleansed.

nathan3 · Nov 15, 2013

I really think this kind of stuff is very divisive; and counter productive.

Proverbs 6:16-19

King James Version (KJV)

16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:

17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,

19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Is this the Bible study forum or the witch hunting forum ?

As a Bible study forum, all Christians no matter your denomination, can learn God's word, and God's word , will do the correcting. With no need to Alienate fellow believers in Christ, seeking the truth, by calling them out by name and denomination simply because they happen to fall into this church or that church .

LT · Nov 15, 2013

There are some certain things the Joseph Prince says that are very insightful, and then some things that are ... sketchy at best. Health/wealth gospel is a red flag for me. Are there any other red flags?
I like his expository on Sarah and Hagar.

p_rehbein · Nov 15, 2013

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WE BELIEVE in one God, who exists in three Persons — the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. He is loving, holy and just.

WE BELIEVE that the Bible is God’s Word. It is inspired and accurate. It is our perfect guide in all matters of life.

WE BELIEVE that sin has separated us all from God, and that only through Jesus Christ can we be reconciled to God.

WE BELIEVE that Jesus Christ is both God and Man. He was conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary. He led a sinless life, took all our sins upon Himself, died and rose again. Today, He is seated at the right hand of the Father as our High Priest and Mediator.

WE BELIEVE that salvation is the gift of God to man. This gift is effected by grace through faith in Jesus Christ and it results in works pleasing to God.

WE BELIEVE that water baptism is a symbol of the cleansing power of God and a testimony of our faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

WE BELIEVE that the Holy Spirit is our Comforter. He guides us in all areas of our lives. He also blesses us with spiritual gifts and empowers us to yield the fruit of the Spirit.

WE BELIEVE that the Holy Communion is a celebration of Jesus’ death and our remembrance of Him.

WE BELIEVE that God wants to transform, heal and provide for us, so that we can live blessed and victorious lives that will impact and help others.

WE BELIEVE that we are called to preach the gospel to all nations.

WE BELIEVE that our Lord Jesus Christ is coming back again just as He promised.

Taken from: http://www.josephprince.org/About_We_Believe.html?active=about
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I don't know this person.........however JUST considering the quoted "WE BELIEVE" material, which do any object to? Now, given the other info provided, I can see why there would be concerns about his teachings, but JUST CONSIDERING the quoted "WE BELIEVE" statements, which do any object to?

LT · Nov 15, 2013

nathan3 said:

It is better to call them out by name than generalize a whole denomination. Are you accusing us of bearing false witness against this man? Are you accusing us of shedding his innocent blood? Are we devising against him for our own gain?
-no.
defend him if you feel the need to, and rebuke if someone steps out of line; but to not test any spirits or teachers is foolishness.

nathan3 · Nov 15, 2013

LT said:

How can you generalize God's words ? If God's words are taught, then people will be start to Know, what God has to say, and then they can being to see if there is a problem or not, and make their own, mind up about what to do.

You are putting words in my mouth by saying I said :

""Are you accusing us of bearing false witness against this man? Are you accusing us of shedding his innocent blood? Are we devising against him for our own gain?""..

One thing I am against is sowing discord among brothers & sisters . You do realize don't you that we do not all attend the same church with the same pastor right ?

By the time you follow your logic to its end, you would have divided more people; then you brought together in truth.

Apostol2013 · Nov 15, 2013

well in my experience Jesus does rebuke through his Holy spirit many of times God speaks to me tells me wqhen I am wrong in judgement , even guides me in how I must do things , He speaks revelation to me that I may seek scripture most of the times when I am spoken to is during prayer He allways uses the title Lord Of Host or Lord of the Sabbath or , I Am the Lord thy God or evn I am the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob , God still speaks to his servants today through the Holy Spirit it is written Jesus replied, “Because I will only reveal Myself to those who love Me and obey Me. The Father will love them too, and We will come to them and live with them . . . But when the Father sends the Comforter instead of Me – and by the Comforter I mean the Holy Spirit – He will teach you much, as well as remind you of everything I Myself have told you” (John 14:20-23 and remember God never contradicts His own word but in my knowledge of scripture and personaly communing with Him in spirit prayer and of Him personaly instructing me through his own voice through the Holy Spirit God hates sin , God does correct , instruct and teach , God is a counselor but , God also punishes I am a witness to this and many others too . tthose who speak that God does not rebuke have no real communion with Him , God corrects His children that they may correct their way , It does matter how we live but as you know though we may never be perfect in the flesh , we will strive to be ," for Jesus had said My sheep shall hear my voice " . and his sheep know their master , and the master"s instruction is in all righteousness , God does not condemm but is allways with open arms many can give a good bible study or may know extensive scriptue and knowledge but if not chosen for the work they are hurting the gospel more than helping the gospel study and show thyself approved , seek the righteousness of the kingdom first and all else will be added this is one scripture showing the character of the reign of Jesus within our kingdom " Isa 16:5 And in mercy shall the throne be established: and he shall sit upon it in truth in the tabernacle of David, judging, and seeking judgment, and hasting righteousness.
therefore we must strive to a sinless life in all righteousness not be comfortable in sin for the Lord had said if you are luke warm I will spew thee out , for if you are hot or cold you are aware of the state you are in but if you are luke warm your eyes have been shut in the fact that your mind has been desensitized in sin making it seem normal , therefore seek righteousness in its fullness not self righteousness and refuse not the right judgement of thee Holy Spirit as scripture says as it is written : Heb 3:7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,
Heb 3:8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
Heb 3:9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
Heb 3:10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
Heb 3:11 So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)
Heb 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Heb 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
here we see the warning of Paul about being lukewarm , so do not refuse instruction open your bibles bend knees and pray seeking counsel allways , and allways in obedience for there are many faiths but the faith that pleases God is a Faith like Abel"s that pleased God and his testimony still speaks to us for abel strived to please God and in scripture cain was told " Gen 4:6 And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
Gen 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
let you not be deceived but remain firm in the Gospel to christ be the glory to the honor of the Father peace be unto him all amen... now we must be aware of the faith that pleases God allways through scripture ....

zone · Nov 15, 2013

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

the term bothers me because it's a corruption of Eph 3:2:

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
If you have heard of the administration of the grace of God, which is given to me among you.

King James 2000 Bible
If you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me toward you:

from Paul's stewardship of the same Gospel message (of Salvation by Grace through Faith in Christ - The Promise to Abraham) that all the Apostles and all the world - including and beginning with Israel - to a monstrous dividing of redemptive history into 'epochs of time' where God has all these different soteriological programs He switches back and forth in.

under the dispensation of grace

means, for those who use it - this "Church Age" non-existent parenthesis gap time; between Israel rejecting Jesus as King (catching God off guard) and the calling of the gentiles in a PURE GRACE gap dispensation where NOTHING before or after is related....baptism - OUT...moral Law...OUT. anything "Old Testamenty" OUT.....supposedly including the Gospel of Matthew!

Israel is dangling somewhere out there in blindness while gentiles are called in the Grace Gap...later Israel gets called - under a Grace/Law system..while the Grace Mystery Church is gone....for 7 yea..................oh....n.m.

Apostol2013 · Nov 15, 2013

16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.

17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Apostol2013 · Nov 15, 2013

Look at the word truth

zone · Nov 15, 2013

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

hopefully this isn't off topic too much Still - it's core for Mr. Prince:

HRFTD:

though this piece may not be what we actually hear outright from the Grace Movement, it's the (il)logical conclusion of the DofG (not written by Prince):

The Dispensation of Grace

Dispensations are periods of time in which God is
related to man in a certain way to carry out His
purpose. From Adam to Moses, God was related to man
in a certain way — without law. From Moses to Christ,
He was related to the people under law while His purpose
was reaffirmed and typified. Now, during this period of
Christ’s first coming to His second coming, we are in the
dispensation of grace. This is the period when you can get
everything from God — free. Amen!

The period where God does it all
The dispensation of grace is the period where you do
not do one thing in yourself. It is not your works. It is not
your keeping of the law, but it is you and I opening up, and
out of His fullness keep on getting loaded up. Just get
loaded up.

That means enjoy God. Draw from Him. Yell
to Him. Cry to Him. Complain to Him. Tell Him He has
to do it. Grace means God does it all and then dumps it
all out. Amen! This is the period of grace.

http://www.thechristian.org/multimedia/articles/thedispensationofgrace.pdf < very short.

Apostol2013 · Nov 15, 2013

Then john outlines the sin factor yes it is not our works but God demands a change

zone · Nov 15, 2013

Prince has become a very popular sought out speaker. He is messages are about grace. He is charismatic, articulate and immediately attracts the listener. He has just enough right knowledge mixed with wrong theology to be dangerous and hurt people as much as he intends to help them.

He is strongly into the word faith teaching which means by faith one has the guarantee to be healthy and prosperous. This is clearly the vein that runs through many of his teachings. But if one does not know what to look for how will they notice it is there?

Prince has changed the basic premise that the word faith teaching uses, instead of using faith, it is all “by grace,” so it has more of an appeal.

His book Destined to Reign, was released in July 2007, it contains teachings from the last ten years of preaching his gospel of grace. And one should take notice as to whom he credits in it. “I give thanks tor God for my roots in the Word of Faith teachings. It is truly on the shoulders of great men of God like Brother Kenneth E. Hagin that we are able to see further into the Word of God today. Growing up, I learned a lot about faith from Brother Hagin who truly had a special revelation of faith from the Lord. I deeply honor and respect him for all that he has taught me.” (Joseph Prince, Destined to Reign: The Secret to effortless success, wholeness and victorious living p.271)

Apart from the kudos, little is known about his theological training. Hagin’s teaching consists of many errors and heresies, and formed by his visions. But the main heresy taught is that Jesus did not pay for our sins on the cross but in hell, known as “Jesus Died Spiritually” teaching.

It’s not difficult to know how much Prince believes of Hagin’s teachings (teachings); his background has certainly influenced his teaching on grace. In his sermon "Walking in the undeserved favor of God" (3/28/04), he said: “Now I've been in the Word of Faith circle and I find that Word of Faith preachers know about favor. Churches of faith know about favor. The thing that I wish many of them would say though would be this - to use that phase - undeserved favor. Favor is good and the teaching of favor has produced tremendous testimonies but I would rather the Word of Faith preachers like myself use undeserved favor because that's the true definition of grace. Now I didn't learn amazing grace from Word of Faith though I'm a Word of Faith preacher. I had to learn that truly struggling on my own.” (Source: Jonathan Koh Thoughts on New Creation Church-and grace, faith, health and wealth).

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