Judgement, the coming wrath from scripture

followjesus · Feb 10, 2017

Solomon declared the wisest man to ever live, until Jesus of course.....this is solomons conclusion in ecclesiastes after considering "everything under the sun" after trying to find happiness in riches and pleasures in all things He could possibly think of He came to the conclusion in His God given wisdom according to scripture.

ecclesiastes 12:13-14 "Let us hear the CONCLUSION of the whole matter: fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the WHOLE DUTY OF MAN. 14For God shall bring EVERY WORK into judgment, with EVERY SECRET THING, WHETHER IT BE GOOD, OR WHETHER IT BE EVIL."

Paul speaking of Himself.....1 corinthians 4:4-5 "For I know nothing by myself; yet AM I NOT HEREBY JUSTIFIED: but he that JUDGETH ME is the LORD. 5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, UNTIL the LORD COME, who both will bring to light the HIDDEN THINGS of DARKNESS, and will make manifest the COUNSELS OF THE HEARTS: and then shall every man have praise of God."

Paul....Galatians 6:7-10 ":Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. 8For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that SOWETH TO THE SPIRIT shall of the Spirit reap LIFE EVERLASTING. 9And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not. 10As we have therefore opportunity, let us DO GOOD UNTO ALL MEN, especially unto them who are of the household of faith."

Paul....2 corinthians 5:10-15 " For we must ALL APPEAR before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the THINGS DONE IN HIS BODY, according to that HE HATH DONE, whether it be GOOD or BAD. 11Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences........ 14For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15And that HE DIED FOR ALL, that they which live should NOT HENCEFORTH LIVE UNTO THEMSELVES, BUT UNTO HIM WICH DIED FOR THEM, and rose again."

Paul....romans 2: 5-11 ":But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; 6Who will render to EVERY MAN ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS: 7To them who by PATIENT CONTINUANCE in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, ETERNAL LIFE: 8 BUT UNTO THEM THAT are contentious, and DO NOT OBEY THE TRUTH, but OBEY UNRIGHTEUSNESS, indignation and WRATH, 9 TRIBULATION AND ANGUISH, upon EVERY SOUL OF MAN THAT DOETH EVIL, of the JEW FIRST, and also of the GENTILE; 10But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that WORKETH GOOD, to the JEW FIRST, and also to the GENTILE: 11For there is no respect of persons with God."

daniel 12:2 "And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, SOME TO EVERLASTING LIFE, and SOME TO SHAME and EVERLASTING CONTEMPT"

paul.... acts 24:14-16 "But this I confess unto thee, that after THE WAY which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, BELIEVING ALL THINGS WHICH ARE WRITTEN in the LAW and in the PROPHETS: 15And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the JUST AND THE UNJUST. 16And herein do I EXERCISE MYSELF, to have always a conscience VOID OF OFFENSE toward God, and toward men"

Paul ....2 thessolonians 1: 7-9 "And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that* know not God, and THAT OBEY NOT THE GOSPEL OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST: 9Who shall be punished with EVERLASTING DESTRUCTION from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; " * (2 john 1:9)

Jesus ..Matthew 16:24-27 "Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him DENY HIMSELF, and take up his cross, and FOLLOW ME. 25For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will LOSE HIS LIFE FOR MY SAKE shall find it. 26For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? 27For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward EVERY MAN ACCORDING TO HIS WORKS."

Jesus matthew 25:31-46 "When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32And before him shall be gathered ALL NATIONS: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left 34Then shall the King say UNTO THEM ON HIS RIGHT hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, INHERIT THE KINGDOM prepared for you from the foundation of the world:.....v 41 "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: ...v 46"And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but THE RIGHTEOUS into life eternal."

2 peter 3:6-7 "Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of JUDGEMENT and perdition of UNGODLY MEN."

why then does grace " teach us to deny unglodly and worldly lusts and Live upright Goidly lives ?

2 peter 3:1013 "-But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness."

Just a portion of the consistant warnings. Jesus , paul, peter, solomon, david all of them Have taught that a day of eternal Judgement is coming where every man will be judged according to thier deeds. this never has changed from old to new testament, it has gotten Lost in doctrine these days, but Just as noah was told " there is a flood coming, so you noah do this....and noah believed and obeyed and was saved....So to, we are warned and commanded what to do to build our "ark" Jesus made the way of salvation from this terrible day of His wrath, not believing it is coming surely, doesnt change the fact that it is coming and we are well warned By A good God who is willing that we come to repentance and salvation. Trust Gods word......Its a good thing that We have a God that cares about our eternal Life, and has told us How to avoid this sure prophecy.

Id rather have a Father that teaches me to stay out of the middle of the busy street, than One who doesnt mention that ill end up getting ran over because i feel like playing in the street, Im glad God is forthcoming about the danger and is so clear to His children about repentance....Gods word is for us, especially the "rules to live by"

Enow · Feb 10, 2017

followjesus said:

Solomon declared the wisest man to ever live, until Jesus of course.....this is solomons conclusion in ecclesiastes after considering "everything under the sun" after trying to find happiness in riches and pleasures in all things He could possibly think of He came to the conclusion in His God given wisdom according to scripture.

ecclesiastes 12:13-14 "Let us hear the CONCLUSION of the whole matter: fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the WHOLE DUTY OF MAN. 14For God shall bring EVERY WORK into judgment, with EVERY SECRET THING, WHETHER IT BE GOOD, OR WHETHER IT BE EVIL."

Paul speaking of Himself.....1 corinthians 4:4-5 "For I know nothing by myself; yet AM I NOT HEREBY JUSTIFIED: but he that JUDGETH ME is the LORD. 5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, UNTIL the LORD COME, who both will bring to light the HIDDEN THINGS of DARKNESS, and will make manifest the COUNSELS OF THE HEARTS: and then shall every man have praise of God."

Paul....Galatians 6:7-10 ":Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. 8For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that SOWETH TO THE SPIRIT shall of the Spirit reap LIFE EVERLASTING. 9And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not. 10As we have therefore opportunity, let us DO GOOD UNTO ALL MEN, especially unto them who are of the household of faith."

Paul....2 corinthians 5:10-15 " For we must ALL APPEAR before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the THINGS DONE IN HIS BODY, according to that HE HATH DONE, whether it be GOOD or BAD. 11Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences........ 14For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15And that HE DIED FOR ALL, that they which live should NOT HENCEFORTH LIVE UNTO THEMSELVES, BUT UNTO HIM WICH DIED FOR THEM, and rose again."

Paul....romans 2: 5-11 ":But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; 6Who will render to EVERY MAN ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS: 7To them who by PATIENT CONTINUANCE in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, ETERNAL LIFE: 8 BUT UNTO THEM THAT are contentious, and DO NOT OBEY THE TRUTH, but OBEY UNRIGHTEUSNESS, indignation and WRATH, 9 TRIBULATION AND ANGUISH, upon EVERY SOUL OF MAN THAT DOETH EVIL, of the JEW FIRST, and also of the GENTILE; 10But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that WORKETH GOOD, to the JEW FIRST, and also to the GENTILE: 11For there is no respect of persons with God."

daniel 12:2 "And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, SOME TO EVERLASTING LIFE, and SOME TO SHAME and EVERLASTING CONTEMPT"

paul.... acts 24:14-16 "But this I confess unto thee, that after THE WAY which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, BELIEVING ALL THINGS WHICH ARE WRITTEN in the LAW and in the PROPHETS: 15And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the JUST AND THE UNJUST. 16And herein do I EXERCISE MYSELF, to have always a conscience VOID OF OFFENSE toward God, and toward men"

Paul ....2 thessolonians 1: 7-9 "And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that* know not God, and THAT OBEY NOT THE GOSPEL OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST: 9Who shall be punished with EVERLASTING DESTRUCTION from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; " * (2 john 1:9)

Jesus ..Matthew 16:24-27 "Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him DENY HIMSELF, and take up his cross, and FOLLOW ME. 25For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will LOSE HIS LIFE FOR MY SAKE shall find it. 26For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? 27For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward EVERY MAN ACCORDING TO HIS WORKS."

Jesus matthew 25:31-46 "When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32And before him shall be gathered ALL NATIONS: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left 34Then shall the King say UNTO THEM ON HIS RIGHT hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, INHERIT THE KINGDOM prepared for you from the foundation of the world:.....v 41 "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: ...v 46"And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but THE RIGHTEOUS into life eternal."

2 peter 3:6-7 "Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of JUDGEMENT and perdition of UNGODLY MEN."

why then does grace " teach us to deny unglodly and worldly lusts and Live upright Goidly lives ?

2 peter 3:1013 "-But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness."

Just a portion of the consistant warnings. Jesus , paul, peter, solomon, david all of them Have taught that a day of eternal Judgement is coming where every man will be judged according to thier deeds. this never has changed from old to new testament, it has gotten Lost in doctrine these days, but Just as noah was told " there is a flood coming, so you noah do this....and noah believed and obeyed and was saved....So to, we are warned and commanded what to do to build our "ark" Jesus made the way of salvation from this terrible day of His wrath, not believing it is coming surely, doesnt change the fact that it is coming and we are well warned By A good God who is willing that we come to repentance and salvation. Trust Gods word......Its a good thing that We have a God that cares about our eternal Life, and has told us How to avoid this sure prophecy.

Id rather have a Father that teaches me to stay out of the middle of the busy street, than One who doesnt mention that ill end up getting ran over because i feel like playing in the street, Im glad God is forthcoming about the danger and is so clear to His children about repentance....Gods word is for us, especially the "rules to live by"

But how do you live by in doing those rules? By doing the best you can by the flesh & will power or by faith in Jesus Christ?

Titus 1:[SUP]13 [/SUP]This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;[SUP]14 [/SUP]Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.[SUP]15 [/SUP]Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.[SUP]16 [/SUP]They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

Hebrews 11:[SUP]6 [/SUP]But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

1 John 3:[SUP]3 [/SUP]And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.....[SUP]8 [/SUP]He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

2 Timothy 4:[SUP]18 [/SUP]And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Jude 1:[SUP]24 [/SUP]Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,[SUP]25 [/SUP]To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

We can read His rules and His warnings, but either we resort to our own power by keeping a commitment to follow Christ OR we respond by trusting Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd in helping us run that race as saved believers that believe He is able to finish His work in us to His glory where no man can boast over another in Heaven.

If we could not save our selves but surrender and trust Him as our Savior, then neither can we follow Him but surrender and trust Him as our Good Shepherd to help us to follow Him and abide in His words thereby is why we can rest in Him for He will do it.

SCHISM · Feb 10, 2017

Enow said:

But how do you live by in doing those rules? By doing the best you can by the flesh & will power or by faith in Jesus Christ?

Titus 1:[SUP]13 [/SUP]This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;[SUP]14 [/SUP]Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.[SUP]15 [/SUP]Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.[SUP]16 [/SUP]They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

Hebrews 11:[SUP]6 [/SUP]But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

1 John 3:[SUP]3 [/SUP]And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.....[SUP]8 [/SUP]He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

2 Timothy 4:[SUP]18 [/SUP]And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Jude 1:[SUP]24 [/SUP]Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,[SUP]25 [/SUP]To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

We can read His rules and His warnings, but either we resort to our own power by keeping a commitment to follow Christ OR we respond by trusting Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd in helping us run that race as saved believers that believe He is able to finish His work in us to His glory where no man can boast over another in Heaven.

If we could not save our selves but surrender and trust Him as our Savior, then neither can we follow Him but surrender and trust Him as our Good Shepherd to help us to follow Him and abide in His words thereby is why we can rest in Him for He will do it.

Why on earth would you quote 1 John 3:3-8 but leave out verses 4-7 and the rest of the chapter?

Jesus Christ bless us all.

Blain · Feb 10, 2017

I am all for repentance as I always ask God for forgiveness when I screw up but I do not fear his judgement because I know he judges the heart not how well one followed and obeyed and how little they sinned.

I have searched my heart and I search it everyday and when I envision me standing before him on judgement day I simply feel no condemnation even though I should be condemned. The issue with being all to aware of our sins and weaknesses is we tend to only see those things and become to focused on them the enemy then puts fear of judgement and wrath in us all the while father is shaking his head smiling as if to say you silly child let me show you what I see and believe me what he sees is not normally what we do.

If I am to be judged let me be judged by he who sees and knows the hearts of man and let me not be judged by my own efforts or my own righteousness and purity because apart form him I have none of this rather let me be judged according to his righteousness and his purity

Ahwatukee · Feb 10, 2017

Hello FollowJesus,

You are confusing the judgement at the Bema seat of Christ vs. the great white throne judgment, which takes place after the thousand year reign of Christ. At the Bema seat all believers who are gathered to the Lord at the resurrection will stand before the Lord and receive reward for our good works or suffer loss of reward. But we are not judged for sin, because Christ already paid the penalty four our sins and we were credited with righteousness by grace through faith.

All of the wicked throughout all of history are those who be resurrected at the end of the thousand year reign of Christ and will be judged at the great white throne judgment and will give an account for all of their works of sin.

Blessed are those who take part in the first resurrection, for on such, the second death has no power. But the rest of the dead did not come to life until after the thousand years had ended.

followjesus · Feb 11, 2017

Enow said:

its not about rules friend, its about the spirit of the Gospel. we can say " we gotts trust Jesus as Lord and savior" but ask yourself, If I have a Lord and savior and He teaches me to do something......at what Point am I supposed to do it, given He is a teacher, and we are disciples? If a person trusts Jesus, there is no reason to begin explaining why we just cant do what He says its simple.

your saying this is how, gotta Just trust...But Jesus has said, Just do what I am teaching you to actually do. If we Have trust in Jesus, Him saying Learn what im teaching and do it...shouldnt be a problem. from the beginning of the Bible there is a very Plain and clear message it is from genesis to revelation and everywhere in between. Hear Gods Word, and obey it. He is right He will never Lead any person who does that astray.

I dont need at all to " find my true identity in Christ" I am a follower of the Lord, a disciple of the teacher. thats what every Christian is its not different for any of us, There is 1 Lord, One who God said " Listen to Him" its Jesus Christ. So if Jesus teaches principles and says " dont just hear my word, actually do my word....Im good with that, and That is Faith. keeping Faith is like in a marriage, you dont go sleep with another woman, or you have broken faith with Her. keeping Faith is keeping your part of the deal and Jesus has always said the same things " Obey my teachings, learn from me, do the things im teaching you to do.

im not really looking to squabble its Just the truth, anyone can plainly read what the 4 gospels say. You trust Jesus therefore if He says " obey me" thats all a person needs. sure He died for our sins and without Jesus we wouldnt have any truth to learn, trusting Him is the same as trusting His word. If you Love someone, you treat them asthey deserve, He is the Lord and Has plainly said " if anyone loves me, he will obey my teachings, if anyone doesnt love me, he wont obey me" its really simple. we serve sin or the Lord, choice beloings to mankind, always has. God doesnt make us do anything against our will...salvation is an offer, when faith is present, the offer is accepted. when it is not present, we have to start deciding which parts of the bible " apply to us" Obedience to God will never change its the sopurce from adams fall to the redemption in revelation those Who turn to God will live.....thats not possible without Knowing Jesus. but even if we Know Jesus, we have to hear and follow the Lord

followjesus · Feb 11, 2017

Ahwatukee said:

Yeah i keep hearing that theory friend, but its not in scripture is the thing, there is One day of the Lord that consistantly is taught, false doctrines have came up with " well if you dont obey Jesus your punished here in this life, but you still are saved" until someone actually can show the scriptures saying such a thing, and not obscure scripture suggesting well maybe...but that should be taught in scripture if there is any merit to it.

seems to me, a believer Jumps off a cliff, or an athiest, both are going to reap that harvest. But its really clear actually when the reward is eternal Life, that says what the subject is.

romans 2:6-9 "Who will render to EVERY MAN ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS: 7To them who by PATIENT CONTINUANCE in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, ETERNAL LIFE: 8 BUT UNTO THEM THAT are contentious, and DO NOT OBEY THE TRUTH, but OBEY UNRIGHTEUSNESS, indignation and WRATH, 9 TRIBULATION AND ANGUISH, upon EVERY SOUL OF MAN THAT DOETH EVIL, of the JEW FIRST, and also of the GENTILE"

this is CLEARLY regarding eternal life, clearly the same Judgement as Jesus taught in matthew 25, this isnt saying " those who consistantly do well seeking glory honor ect...will get an extra reward, no it says they will receive ternal Life based on what they actually do with salvation, onj the other hand those who do not obey the truth, but rather unrighteousness have indignation, wrath, tribulation and anguish" that isnt saying well theyll be poor in life but thier saved anyways. its not as complex as people make it with the 100 different ideas, whats ther is there. same Judgement that the Lord spoke forth

matthew 25 "When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: "...this group acted in Love, theuy fed the hungry, clothed the naked ect they acted based on Jesus....they recieve the Kingdom

this groupThen shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did itnot to me. 46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

ends up in everlasting punishment because they did nothing for anyone, they didnt Love anyone Jesus way, that is absolutely what this all says, and the matter is eternal Life v eternal punishment

This is what [aul is refering to in romans there and also " the judgement seat of Christ" just look at how Jesus starts this.....theres alot of misinterpretation around " we werent Judged by the cross, were not free from obedience to God, there isnt a judgement only for earth, and then another for eternal Life its just what it is we have to reopent and start Living the gospel thats Just what is written

followjesus · Feb 11, 2017

Blain said:

Im all for everyone feelinghow they feel man. But the wors is pretty clear regarding our actions. The heart is what is Judged but the actions come from the heart that is what the gospel is about " circumcising the heart unto God" or " removing the Lust, the greed, the impuritues SO THAT Our actions become natural. You and I and everyone else has an appointment to stand before Jesus Christ, and we will have to give an account of Our deeds done while in the body. thats all im saying, we do Have a judge, and He said an aweful Lot about obeying Him. <<thats not a theory its fact written in Gods word. we are accountable for How we Live, having claimed the suffering and agonizing Death of the Son of God that also is on our account, free gift yes, but it was paid for at the Highest of all costs by Jesus, the same who spoke many things and said dont Just Hear me, but do the things im teaching you are right....

Judgement day has alot of glimpses and we are absolutely accountable for our Lives after coming to Christ, because He suffered so much, to clear our account, we are not our own, we belong to the One who bought us.

Galatians6:7-9"Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. 8For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that SOWETH TO THE SPIRIT shall of the Spirit reap LIFE EVERLASTING. 9And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not"

eternal Life based on what we sow into, the flesh or the spirit.

2 corinthians 5:9-10 "Wherefore we LABOR THAT, whether present or absent, WE MAY BE ACCEPTED OF HIM. 10For we must ALL APPEAR before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad."

again Judgement based on what we have done good or bad.

again acts 10:42 "And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. "

Matthew 16:24-27 "Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. 25For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. 26For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? 27For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works."

again according to Our deeds, see matthew 25. The thing is man i wish we could just think what we want to think, but over and over we are taught that we all must go stand before Jesus and give an account of our wrongs, The wise people repent now and begin serving God, i dont want to be the one explaining why ijust didnt feel like i needed to obey Jesus, so ill trust that He told the truth about it all and if i dont agree, ill make the adjustments to the Lords thinking.

followjesus · Feb 11, 2017

SCHISM said:

"She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee:"

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, "

."She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and SIN NO MORE."

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, WHO WALK NOT AFTER THE FLESH, BUT AFTERTHE SPIRIT.

Thats the difference, plucking out verses to try to make a point rather than letting scripture form the point and change our mind to it, rather than conformng scripture to meet a thought or false idea.

what is popularly taught is

there is no condemnation in christ, look he said "neither do i condemn you, and look here " Icam not to call the righteous but sinners...see<<<< theres no more to it yay!

but no condemnation for those who do not walk after theflesh, but instead after the spirit<<<makes a huge difference and

Niether do i condemn you, NOW GO AND SIN NO MORE" MAKES A HUGE DIFFERENCE

AND " I have not come to call the righteous BUT SINNERS TO REPENTANCE"<<<maks a huge difference.

when a person teaches wrong and gets popular because of the world friendly message, it deceives People and derails thier thought from the truth. and when that doctrine is formed, we have to leave anything that doesnt say what" Im saying" out or else we have to change our thinking to match the word.

JustWhoIAm · Feb 11, 2017

Blain said:

Bah. Even the prophets in the old days had sin issues according to scripture, and they were the ones doing the judging normally.

Nobody is perfect

Ahwatukee · Feb 11, 2017

Hello followJesus,

Can assure you that the gathering of the church vs. the Lord's return to the earth as being two separate events is no theory, but is scriptural.

The gathering of the church is in accordance with the Lord's promise to the disciples and all believers, that he was going to the Father's house to prepare dwelling places for us and that he would come back to get us and take us back to the Father's house, as found in John 14:1-3. The details of His return are found in 1 Thes.4:13-18 where the dead in Christ shall rise first and then we who are still alive will be changed and caught up with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.

The coming wrath of God will be carried out via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, which scripture states believers are not appointed to suffer.

The second coming is when the Lord physically returns to the earth to end the age and establish is millennial kingdom. Revelation 19:11-21 is a detailed account of the Lord's return which has the church following him out of heaven riding on white horses and wearing the fine linen, white and clean that the bride/church is seen receiving in Rev.19:6-8 at the wedding of the Lamb. In order to follow the Lord out of heaven, we would already have to be in heaven.

"I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and wages war. His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean."

Who are those on the white horses following Christ out of heaven?

"They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.”

Until you recognize that the gathering of the church and the Lord's return to the earth to end the age as being two separate events, you will not be able to understand end-time events.

The above scriptures that you provided are in reference to when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age and has nothing to do withe gathering of the church. At that time, when Jesus sends his angels out, they will be gathering the great tribulation saints who will have made it alive through the entire seven years of God's wrath. These will still be in their immortal bodies and they along with the woman/Israel, will repopulate the earth during the thousand years.

Many, because they do not understand that the gathering of the church and the Lord's return to the earth to end the age as being two separate events, mistake Matt.24:30-31 as the gathering of the church (raputre). However, when the gathering of the church takes place, angels do not gather us. For the Lord himself descends from heaven resurrecting the dead and changing and catching up the living. Matt.24:30-31 has to do with the parable in Matt.13 regarding the weeds and the wheat.

The bottom line is, the wrath of God via the seals, trumpets and bowls must take place in between now and the time that the Lord returns to the earth to end the age. Regarding this, scripture states that believers are not appointed to suffer God's wrath. And that is scriptural, for I listed the scriptures for you that states this fact.

Another thing that many do not understand is the severity and magnitude of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. For if they did, they would not be claiming that the church must go through it. These plagues of wrath will decimate the majority of the population of the earth and will dismantle all human government.

I don't post any\Biblical issue that I am not completely sure of. You ought to stop just repeating other people apologetics and take a look at what I am presenting to you.

Enow · Feb 11, 2017

SCHISM said:

Because 1 John 3:8 is the same message, but it ends with Whom we look to for deliverance from our sins in our lives.

People keep emphasizing the sinner and even new believers and even backsliding believers to repent when sin has dominion over his life when they should be testifying that is why Jesus came to deliver them from their bondage to sin & to death.

Trusting Jesus Christ as your Good Shepherd and not just as your Savior is the only way we can ran that race which is still be faith in Jesus Christ to finish His work in us as in finish the race for us all the way Home to God the Father above. So that is how we live this reconciled relationship with God and that is by faith thru Jesus Christ.

dcontroversal · Feb 11, 2017

The Day of Lord, The Day of the Christ, The Day of God<----one day, three different aspects, initiated 7th trump of Revelation when...JESUS is LORD, CHRIST and GOD!

1. As Lord Jesus seizes control of all earthly kingdoms
2. As Christ rewards the saints, prophets and those that fear in the air
3. As God pours out his wrath on the lost world gathered under the beast

THE announcement is MADE in HEAVEN before the THRONE that the WRATH of GOD has arrived......the PEOPLE hiding in dens and caves WRONGLY ASSUME the wrath is here at the 6th SEAL......as do many you rejected the announced wrath at the 7TH TRUMP

FreeNChrist · Feb 11, 2017

"God never punishes his children in the sense of avenging justice: he chastens as a father does his child, but he never punishes his redeemed as a judge does a criminal. It would be unjust to exact punishment from redeemed souls since Christ has been punished in their place. How can the Lord punish twice for one offense? If Christ took my sins and stood as my substitute, then there is no wrath of God for me; and though my cup may be bitter, yet there cannot be a single drop of Almighty wrath in it…

Oh! what a mercy that Sinai has ceased to thunder! Lord, let Jesus say what he will so long as Moses is quieted forever."

- C H Spurgeon

SCHISM · Feb 11, 2017

There was a bit of a loophole in the old law. Whereas a wealthy man could willingly sin, purchase a sin offering that didn't really have an effect in his heart, and keep on keeping on like he was a righteous man.

Because of his wealth it did not cause grief in his heart to sin, which the grief should eventually teach him to abstain from sin.

Some people look at Christ's sacrifice as an endless amount of wealth to pay for their sins. When they willingly sin they think that Jesus is going to pick up the tab and they don't experience the grief in their heart to sin no more.

Some people look at Christ's sacrifice as an endless amount of wealth to pay for their sins. When they reflect on things they did that are of sinful nature, their hearts are torn and they cry out for Jesus to forgive them. Eventually those people will learn to think before they act, and they will learn to act instead of react.

The wheat will grow up with the tares. Both types can call themselves Christian and believe in the sacrifice that Jesus made, but if the spirit isn't working in their hearts to lead them to righteousness then they don't really know Jesus.

How do we tell them apart? We don't. How do we judge a person's heart? Perhaps they are just slow learners, and we shouldn't judge a person for that.

followjesus · Feb 11, 2017

Ahwatukee said:

[FONT=&quot]and with him will be his called, chosen and FAITHFUL FOLLOWERS.

[/FONT]"The coming wrath of God will be carried out via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, which scripture states believers are not appointed to suffer." is it the ones who say "I believe" your refering to oir " the called, chosen AND FAITHFUL FOLLOWERS?

Heres the thing Belief equals repentance and obedience and to be honest with you, none of what you are saying makes any sense at all to me. When we have to [pluck obscure verses to form important ideas such as " believers will not face Judgement based on thier actions, just whether they say i believe or not" Believers believe God, and obey Him. Like Abraham did, like noah did. those who are " chisen" yet dont obey, that is because of unbelief.

I read your post pretty thouroughly and dont see any real connection to the scriptures you shared supporting your explaination. The new testament is all written to believers, and again and again we see things Like this

Romans 2:5-11 "But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; 6Who will render to every man according to his deeds: 7To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: 8But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 9Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11For there is no respect of persons with God.

this is repeated throughout scripture, the letter of romans was written to the roman Church. this is paul warning believers of the coming Judgement and Like felix people just dont want to hear it, doesnt make it untrue. This fact is repetaed from solomon to revelation. look at all the op scriptures, and there ar 2 times as many left out saying the same exact things. yet you pull a few verses from revelation and are saying that makes all the clear scriptures pertaining to Judgement somehow not true? Gotta go with the scriptures and get away from the theology.

this is how people reacted then and still do when

acts 24:24-25 "And after certain days, when Felix came with his wife Drusilla, which was a Jewess, he sent for Paul, and heard him concerning the faith in Christ. 25And as he reasoned of righteousness, temperance, and judgment to come, Felix trembled, and answered, Go thy way for this time; when I have a convenient season, I will call for thee."

thats what people do when righteousness, SELF control, and judgement to come is spoken. There is only 1 way to God, 1 Gospel, 1 church and that church are those commanded to repent and obey God. to suggest that because we are the church, were not the ones who are commanded by the Lord is ridiculous. basically that theology says " the unbelievers are the ones who have to obey or face Judgement....but the ones who say : I believe" they are excluded from Obedience and excused from judgement.....i have o just disagree for my part i see things totally different than you regarding Judgement.

In the end, the people explaining why believers dont have to actually abide by Gods word, and those saying " we have to repent and obey Gods word, because we will all every one stand before Jesus Christ and be held accountable for what we have done" they have 2 different paths and faiths.

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followjesus · Feb 11, 2017

SCHISM said:

Some people look at Christ's sacrifice as an endless amount of wealth to pay for their sins. When they willingly sin they think that Jesus is going to pick up the tab and they don't experience the grief in their heart to sin no more.

This is absolutely true and the very reason incorrect doctrine derails the mind and leads a person astray. I have been trying to show this for almost a year. when we dont believe right, it keeps us from acting right. If a pastor like jospeh prince for example teaches people " anything that makes you feel guilty, or as if youve done wrong is of the devil, God can no longer see your sin, all He sees is Jesus righteousness when He looks at you, he will never be displeased"

That totally takes away the thing that leads a person to repent, the truth is " we should feel guilty when we sin, we should acknowledge our wrong, when we do that it leads us to reopenting of what made our conscience Guilty. every time we knowingly sin, we should see Jesus hanging on a cross, bleeding profusely, beaten terribly, being laughed at and ridiculed byu the passers by, we should hear Him call out forgive them for they KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO......when we know we are doing wrong according to that man on the cross, let Godly sorrow flow because Of the One who paid the price for our " free gift" its all about honoring the Lord Jesus Christ, motivated By His incredible Love shown at calvary.

The holy spirit convicts us of sin, conviction of our sin and the following guilt, is imperitive to repentance. If you teach a kid " you can do no wrong, ill never correct you or punish you for anything you do, dont ever feel like you have done wrong"......when the Kid starts doing what they want without conscience, the parent realizes what thier " Grace" has imparted to the child. yet if the parent teaches thier Kid right and wrong, explains that hitting another kid is wrong if you do it you will face punishment, this doesnt mean the parent doesnt Love the Kid, it means that they DO. because they are ewquipping the kid with a conscience that knows right and wrong. God is a great parent

followjesus · Feb 11, 2017

dcontroversal said:

The Day of Lord, The Day of the Christ, The Day of God<----one day, three different aspects, initiated 7th trump of Revelation when...JESUS is LORD, CHRIST and GOD!

1. As Lord Jesus seizes control of all earthly kingdoms
2. As Christ rewards the saints, prophets and those that fear in the air
3. As God pours out his wrath on the lost world gathered under the beast

THE announcement is MADE in HEAVEN before the THRONE that the WRATH of GOD has arrived......the PEOPLE hiding in dens and caves WRONGLY ASSUME the wrath is here at the 6th SEAL......as do many you rejected the announced wrath at the 7TH TRUMP

ummm....alrighty

followjesus · Feb 11, 2017

Enow said:

its not meant to take each scripture as a different message, one verse doesnt exclude whats actually being said. sure we gotta trust Jesus for deliverance...yet isnt part of trusting someone believing what they have said? and if its the Lord of Heaven and earth speaking....that hold wuite a bit of wieght to me anyways being that He is the Lord and my savior.

we can say "just trust Christ" but if we dont trust Him enough to acceopt His word, His directions , His teachings, the things He actually taught and then said " dont just hear my word, but do my word, apply it to life" at what point do we trust Jesus? is it when we dont obey Him because false doctrines tell us " if you think you gotta obey god, your not trusting in Him for salvation"

Jesus spoke the salvation in the gospels. trusting Him includes trusting Hois word, not only the " Just believe in the one God sent word, but also " obey my commands" those go together you see? if i just believe in the one God sent, then i have no reason to say " His words arent for me, even though the one i believe in said " dont just call me lord, but do what i am telling you to do" it isnt one or the other and one isnt against the other.

if i believe in Jesus, His word is Gods word, that will never change or be les authopritative than when He spoke it. the Only way to God, is through Jesus. There is no other way to the Father. Just believe, just trust.......and find out what the one we trust and believe actually said to do, how to live to please God, as the apostles taught, how to live a pleasing life to God, having been forgiven of your past life of sin...."Niether do i condemn you....Now go and sin no more"<<< that Grace teaches repentance, after forgiving the convicted sinner. Ther is no grace that says " i will never hold you accountable no matter what you do" Grace teaches repentance, and upright living here and now while we set our hope on the glory to come. Gotta obey the one we believe in, or its just words....

Luke 6:46-49 "And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? 47Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: 48He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock. 49But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great."

That is Jesus teaching and it is the Word of God. saying i believe you Lord, and believing and obeying Him are 2 diffrent things, belief when it is sincere, believes " The words of Jesus, are the words of my LORD"......gotta obey Jesus thats what its all about

Grace777x70 · Feb 11, 2017

Some people have an evangelical anaphylaxis event in their minds when they hear that the Holy Spirit does not "convict" the believer of sins because we have been taught differently.

The Holy Spirit convicts/convinces the believer of the righteousness that is in us which indirectly points to the "works of the flesh" that we need to repent of ( change our minds on how we view them ).

For example things like malice and the slandering of others in the body of Christ.

His life that is in us because of righteousness causes the works of the flesh to drop off us as we "become" who we really are in Christ in our new man - the new creation. This is "walking by the spirit" which will stop the flesh from fulfilling "it's" desires.

The word " convict/reprove/convince/expose" in question has many meanings attached to it as well.

It is only used 1 time in KJV as "convict"....it is used more often with the word "to reprove/rebuke/convince/expose"...the word needs to be looked at in the "context" that it is used...

It is a revealing of things.....to the world the Holy Spirit reveals/convinces/expose their sin of unbelief in Jesus..

To the believer He reveals/convinces/expose that they are the righteousness of Christ because He went to the Father to stand as an Advocate.

John 16:8-10 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] "And He, when He comes, will convict the world ( unbelievers ) concerning sin and righteousness and judgment;

[SUP]9 [/SUP] concerning sin, because they ( unbelievers ) do not believe in Me;

[SUP]10 [/SUP] and concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father and you ( believers ) no longer see Me;

1 John 2:1-2 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous;

[SUP]2 [/SUP] and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.

Here are a few examples of the same exact word used in scripture...as one can clearly see....this word has many uses depending on the context.

1 Corinthians 14:24 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:

Titus 1:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

Matthew 18:15 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.

John 8:46 (KJV)
[SUP]46 [/SUP] Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

So, we can clearly seen the Greek word translated once in the KJV as "convict" really means to expose, reveal, convince people of something.

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