KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE VS. MODERN ENGLISH BIBLES

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Since we are actually talking about the Sunday following Passover, I would use Firstfruits, as does Lev 23.
I like that argument MarcR but isn't Easter the fulfillment of Passover, Unleavend Bread, and Firstfruits?
 

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I like that argument MarcR but isn't Easter the fulfillment of Passover, Unleavend Bread, and Firstfruits?
How could it be?
There was no such thing for a Jew or an early Christian in the Apostolic age!

Easter did NOT exist!!!!???!!!!!!!!!
 
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How could it be?
There was no such thing for a Jew or an early Christian in the Apostolic age!

Easter did NOT exist!!!!???!!!!!!!!!
I'm talking about the meaning of Easter, I'm not talking about the apostolic age.
 

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I like that argument MarcR but isn't Easter the fulfillment of Passover, Unleavend Bread, and Firstfruits?

You have already been shown that in 1611 Easter referred to a fertility goddess; not the resurrection; and because of the bad translation, pagan fertility rites have been conflated with the Resurrection. I can't believe that this was inspired!
 

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I'm talking about the meaning of Easter, I'm not talking about the apostolic age.
The meaning of Easter for us it irrelevant. Luke was just using Jewish regular event to tell us when that thing in Acts happened. Nothing more.

And it happened after Pascha.
 
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The meaning of Easter for us it irrelevant. Luke was just using Jewish regular event to tell us when that thing in Acts happened. Nothing more.

And it happened after Pascha.
I don't think you're getting my point but that's ok.... I'm getting tired of this. :)
 
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You have already been shown that in 1611 Easter referred to a fertility goddess; not the resurrection; and because of the bad translation, pagan fertility rites have been conflated with the Resurrection. I can't believe that this was inspired!
Do you have an opinion of why the translators chose the word Easter? I mean in your view Easter is basically a blasphemous word. Do you think the translators were ignorant and forgot what pascha meant when they got to that verse? I'm just interested in your thoughts as to why they did it.
 

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I don't think you're getting my point but that's ok.... I'm getting tired of this. :)
Yes, I am usually not getting your points :D

The goal of Luke was to tell us when that event happened. With word "Easter" we cannot identify it, because modern Easter is not at that time and ancient Easter was a pagan holiday celebrated in a totally different time.

So, for a correct reading, the word "Pascha" needs to be used, as also Luke uses.

The KJV uses anachronism, the same as with "candle", "brass" or lets say "computer" instead of pergamen.
 
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I'm talking about the meaning of Easter, I'm not talking about the apostolic age.
Have you any idea how silly this sounds!

The word and the concept of easter (it was a pagan festival) did not exist for the people who wrote the New testament.
You need to accept that the word "Easter" does NOT belong in any translation of the Bible in ANY language at ANY time!

There is just no getting away from the fact that the word translated "Easter" in the KJV is "πάσχα " which means "Passover".
No amount of sophistry can change this.
This is an error of translation and there is no denying it!
It is likely that the word "Easter" in the KJV actually did not come from a Greek language manuscript but from the Latin Vulgate.
If I dug deep enough I could probably confirm it, but its source is immaterial - it is an error....
 
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Have you any idea how silly this sounds!

The word and the concept of easter (it was a pagan festival) did not exist for the people who wrote the New testament.
You need to accept that the word "Easter" does NOT belong in any translation of the Bible in ANY language at ANY time!

There is just no getting away from the fact that the word translated "Easter" in the KJV is "πάσχα " which means "Passover".
No amount of sophistry can change this.
This is an error of translation and there is no denying it!
It is likely that the word "Easter" in the KJV actually did not come from a Greek language manuscript but from the Latin Vulgate.
If I dug deep enough I could probably confirm it, but its source is immaterial - it is an error....
Let's take a step back for a moment. Did you know that passover had already been fulfilled in the book of Acts?
 

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Do you have an opinion of why the translators chose the word Easter? I mean in your view Easter is basically a blasphemous word. Do you think the translators were ignorant and forgot what pascha meant when they got to that verse? I'm just interested in your thoughts as to why they did it.
The KJ translators didn't have a complete set of manuscripts to use, they had bits missing so they used other sources like The Latin Vulgate to "fill in" as bet they could.
 
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The KJ translators didn't have a complete set of manuscripts to use, they had bits missing so they used other sources like The Latin Vulgate to "fill in" as bet they could.
Is Easter one of those missing pieces?
 

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Do you have an opinion of why the translators chose the word Easter? I mean in your view Easter is basically a blasphemous word. Do you think the translators were ignorant and forgot what pascha meant when they got to that verse? I'm just interested in your thoughts as to why they did it.
I see no profit in speculating on their motives. I know that they were using the work of Erasmus, who had strong Catholic leanings. Catholics like to paganize Christian observances. That may have motivated Erasmus and they might have copied.

There, NOW I DID SPECULATE, and I don't like to do so.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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Is Easter one of those missing pieces?

No. Easter is the spring festival devoted to the worship of the goddess Astoreth.

Astoreth (Northwest Semitic), a form of Ishtar (East Semitic), worshipped from the Bronze Age through classical antiquity. The name is particularly associated with her worship in the ancient Levant among the Canaanites and Phoenicians. She was also celebrated in Egypt following the importation of Levantine cults there. The name Astarte is sometimes also applied to her cults in Mesopotamian cultures like Assyria and Babylonia. Astarte (Greek: Ἀστάρτη, Astártē) is the Hellenized form of the Middle Eastern goddess
 

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Eostre, the ‘easter fertility goddess’ has her own celebration every March 21st, the spring equinox. That’s why Easter is different every year, as it’s celebrated after the first full moon after 3/21 on that following Sunday.


EOSTRE

Germanic Fertility Goddess


Also known as Ēostre, Ostara, Eastre
Spring Goddess of Fertility and bouncy bunny girl

She has her own festival on 21 March, the Spring Equinox, in which bouncing springy behavior is encouraged.

A Germanic goddess, EOSTRE was very popular with the Anglo-Saxon pagan brigade who worshipped her under the name — and kicked off the whole Easter business without a JESUS in sight. If you ever wondered what eggs and bunnies have to do with crucifixion and resurrection, the answer is: absolutely nothing.

EOSTRE
’s sacred animal is a cute wittle wabbit — an obvious symbol of fertility — and the egg is her symbol of fertile purity. So Easter Egg hunts are actually packed with symbolic meanings of rebirth and renewal. And Elmer Fudd is obviously just a high priest of the Great Easter Bunny.

In case you think we’re being flippant, recent research suggests that EOSTREherself may have been invented during a mischievous moment by the Venerable St BEDE. This well-known monk mentioned her in connection with the pagan festival Eosturmonath in a book written in 750 A.D. — but extensive research has failed to find a trace of her prior to that. Could he possibly have been fibbing?

Rabbits and hares are ubiquitous in mythology. Every culture seems to have a rabbit god — and they’re nearly always trickster spirits. This, we feel, explains a lot. We also have a terrific theory explaining why stage magicians love doing tricks with eggs and rabbits. Was EOSTRE pulled out of a hat?
So, Easter and the German mythology are proven unrelated.
For the German myth is related to the equinox of the sun, but Easter is related to Passover by use of the moon, as it should be.

I can tell you critics are trying language experts by the way you present language as if it is designed to allow communication devoid of context.
 

Joseppi

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Ēastre, ōstatūn Plural Ostern
A Pagan fertility goddess whose feast was celebrated at the vernal equinox. (Shorter Oxford English Dictionary)
[Goddess of the East] Astarte, Ishtar (PCBE)
Thank you for proving that Easter is not related to any mythology.
 
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No. Easter is the spring festival devoted to the worship of the goddess Astoreth.

Astoreth (Northwest Semitic), a form of Ishtar (East Semitic), worshipped from the Bronze Age through classical antiquity. The name is particularly associated with her worship in the ancient Levant among the Canaanites and Phoenicians. She was also celebrated in Egypt following the importation of Levantine cults there. The name Astarte is sometimes also applied to her cults in Mesopotamian cultures like Assyria and Babylonia. Astarte (Greek: Ἀστάρτη, Astártē) is the Hellenized form of the Middle Eastern goddess
Easter has dual meanings - one pagan and one Christian... no?
 

Joseppi

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Adam Clarke's commentary:

Intending after Easter to bring him forth - Μετα το πασχα, After the passover. Perhaps there never was a more unhappy, not to say absurd, translation than that in our text.

Inspired?

I don't think so Tim.
I note that the time denoting “after Easter” occurs later in time than does, “after Passover.”
So, again, quite notably, they aren’t really the same in the context of the persecution of Peter as a Christian.
The use of Easter avoids the Jewish view because the Jews weren’t in the context, and it also reveals how rapidly Christianity distinguished itself as not being of Mosaic law and Jewish religion.
 

Joseppi

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Easter has dual meanings - one pagan and one Christian... no?
This occurs often because the Devil hates true Christianity and always tries to associate his pagan things with Christianity.

That’s why you end up with people thinking that The King James Bible is the title of the Holy Bible.
And why the Appocrypha was inserted as if it should be thought related to the Holy Bible.
And why a phony book called the Septuagint was invented.

And what happens?
Uneducated followers of heathen scholars blindly accept flies in their flavorite corrupted ointment.
 

Joseppi

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Soooo....Herod, who punished and imprisoned those preaching the Gospel was celebrating the Resurrection on Easter?
No. Herod, who pandered to Jewish interests was wanting the Christians to be present when he sought to humiliate them when he was brought Peter the Apostle of Jesus of Nazareth, before him as planned.