Last Trump: 1 Cor 15:52
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Nonbelievers suffer the wrath (judgment/destruction, not tribulation) at the 7th trump of Rev.
Rev 11:15-18 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
If you believe the last trump of 1Cor15:52 and the 7th trump of Rev are different trumps then please address post 71 of this thread and show where it is in error. Tthanks in advance.
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I would imagine soon enough we'll be able to tell by personal experience which of the many doctrines is right. Don't ya think so? If we do find ourselves here for the reign of the antichrist, people loosing their heads...I would have to conclude that a pre-tribulation rapture was not the right one...not that it ever was...
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I was pre-tribber for a long time. My basis for that? It is what I was taught...I just trusted what the TV preachers with all the fancy shmancy titles and letters behind their names. That is until I read the word for myself. It does sell a lot of books and makes for some cheesy movies...like the Left Behind books and movies...
And what is He, or better, what does He simultaneously do to the kingdom of heaven and the kingdom in the heavenly places, well, He has filled the positions, with who, well, those whom have obtained an inheritance in the plan of glory. There is a reason for the shout as Christ is appearing, it is the voice of the trumpet. This is the first resurrection... if there is a first, there is a last or a second. The last trump of this trumpet, changes the pre-trib saints. What is the voice of the archangel doing, well there is a lot going on here. Also, there is a reason for saints meeting Him in the clouds. And, there are different judgement seats.
There are tribulation saints, beginning with maybe the two witnesses now resurrected. Thrones were now being occupied in the kingdom of heaven, but souls were still evidently waiting for their bodies? Just looking at the verses in Rev 20.
Interesting stuff. I want to look at prophesy in my studying, but I'm not ready. I have enjoyed the thread.
There are tribulation saints, beginning with maybe the two witnesses now resurrected. Thrones were now being occupied in the kingdom of heaven, but souls were still evidently waiting for their bodies? Just looking at the verses in Rev 20.
Interesting stuff. I want to look at prophesy in my studying, but I'm not ready. I have enjoyed the thread.
God saves in many ways. Through trials, like Noah saved within the ark when all around him died, within the trials but without being touched, like the land of Goshen, escaping the trials, like Lot and his daughters, literally through trials, like the wilderness generation and the captivity of the Southern kingdom.
God also saves through Rapture, like with Enoch, who walked with God and was not, like Elijah, who was caught up to God in a chariot of fire, and like those who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, 1 Thess.
God also saves through Rapture, like with Enoch, who walked with God and was not, like Elijah, who was caught up to God in a chariot of fire, and like those who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, 1 Thess.
