Laying on Hands (Dangerous?)

[Willie-T]

Good Lord!!!! How on Earth do so many people get so hung up with interjecting 21st century thinking into the customs of that day?

Basically, all "Laying on of Hands", in that context, means is to "Elevate to a position of authority."

I see that a little differently. The authority to believe God is after no man. We have that authority in us but are never to reckon it could be of us. That would be to blaspheme the Holy name by which we are called heavenward.

The laying on of hands with hands representing a will is a ceremonial law used as a parable of the things not seen (the will of God). It represented God’s unseen approval .Ceremonial laws used as shadows and types pointed ahead to the suffering of Christ beforehand and the glory that did follow as the gospel preached in the Old Testament. We look back at that demonstration.

Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what “manner of time” the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. 1Pe 1:9

The “manner of time” was the reformation spoken of in Hebrews 9. the shadows became substance.

The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:

Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the “time of reformation”. Heb 9:8

The use of hands does not bring the will of God .God is not served by human hands (will). In any way shape or form .But rather by a work of His faith working in us to both will and perform that which He appoints to us.

Seeking after outward signs as something(self righteousness) we could do outwardly causes a person to stumble over the cross. It’s what the apostate Jew sought after before they would believe. This shows they did not mix faith (Christ's) in what they did hear or see.

For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; 1Co 1:22

A lot of unnecessary verbiage, due to simply overlooking three words of mine... "in that context."

 

[Ariel82]

19) Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses.
20 .) Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
21 .) I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.
22 .) Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep thyself pure.
23 .) Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.
24 .) Some men's sins are open beforehand, going before to judgment; and some men they follow after.
25 .) Likewise also the good works of some are manifest beforehand; and they that are otherwise cannot be hid.

butt whomping was sarcasm.........but the concept is STILL the same......to not lay hands on someone suddenly......IT IS NOT SPEAKING OF THE PRAYING OVER.....

Don't care if you disagree or not...........common sense (if not understanding) reveals the truth of this Scripture..... goodness..........

That's what I got too.i
.recognize the term "laying on if hands" from other passages in context means giving blessings to another person, but object to the false teaching that it bestows authority.

Only God gives the power and your laying on of hands can give a blessing to someone, but you can't give them divine authority.

Therefore you can't be held responsible if they teach false doctrines unless you taught them those false doctrines.
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The idea that the laying on of hands gives power is why Simon the sorcerer sought to buy it.

In context this passage is about discipline of church elders who already hold positions of authority.

 

[Ariel82]

Paul's letter to Timothy was a pastoral letter. Timothy was in spiritual authority at the time within a local assembly. They would lay hands on the leadership being recognized in that local assembly. Perhaps Paul was telling Timothy not to be too hasty to lay hands and "authenticate" leaders before they are ready by the Lord? If people are trust into a leadership position before their time - all kinds of sinning can manifest from the works of the flesh.

How many times have we seen those in a leadership position try to manipulate others or "lord it over their faith"? This is sinning and those that bring them in leadership positions over people are "participating" in this sinning to some degree in this.

That's my quick take on it. I'm sure there is more to it and it most likely has different facets to it.

Here is the context of that verse.

1 Timothy 5:19-22 (NASB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Do not receive an accusation against an elder except on the basis of two or three witnesses.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Those who continue in sin, rebuke in the presence of all, so that the rest also will be fearful of sinning.

[SUP]21 [/SUP] I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus and of His chosen angels, to maintain these principles without bias, doing nothing in a spirit of partiality.

[SUP]22 [/SUP] Do not lay hands upon anyone too hastily and thereby share responsibility for the sins of others; keep yourself free from sin.

I noticed that it is the local elders that are to do all this rebuking and restortation - not every Tom, Dick and Sally from the internet or CC who are not in an eldership position.

( this is why it was legitimate for Paul to mention Hymeanus and Alexander in a private letter to Timothy who was in spiritual authority in that assembly - that he had turned them over to satan. )

The elder already has a position of authority and I do not believe people "share the sin" of those they lay hands upon.

Aren't you the person preaching that there is no sin in CHRIST?

How does that work that someone would be judged for another sin then?

 

[Grace777x70]

The elder already has a position of authority and I do not believe people "share the sin" of those they lay hands upon.

Aren't you the person preaching that there is no sin in CHRIST?

How does that work that someone would be judged for another sin then?

They are not being judged for the sin of another but we can participate in them b y causing them to stumble. By sharing in helping them to fall into the works of the flesh because they are immature.

Putting people in a leadership position before they are ready can cause lot's of fleshly things to come about and cause much trouble in a local body of believers.

Anyway that's my view on the passage.

 

[stonesoffire]

1Ti 5:22　 Do not ordain anyone hastily. Do not participate in the sins of others. Keep yourself pure.　

ISV

 

[hornetguy]

1Ti 5:22　 Do not ordain anyone hastily. Do not participate in the sins of others. Keep yourself pure.　

ISV

Sounds like three different "commands" to Timothy. Sort of like, say your prayers, brush your teeth, and don't take candy from strangers.

Why does this have to be made so complex?

 

[p_rehbein]

Ah you assume I follow the path you mention in your post? Actually Ceile De means companion of God and I just happen to like it. Please ask me instead of assuming something about me. God Bless

I did know what it meant.......but it has a couple of other translations as well............ still, it was a fairly safe assumption, I mean, given that few people here would know that Ceile De was actually a movement/group of people.........

Anyway, I really was just messing with ya........... I figured anyone who believed (apparently you do not, but Ceile De do) that Christ came "with a fairy in His hand" HAD TO HAVE a sense of humor...........

I be outtahere..........God bless you too

 

[CeileDe]

I did know what it meant.......but it has a couple of other translations as well............ still, it was a fairly safe assumption, I mean, given that few people here would know that Ceile De was actually a movement/group of people.........

Anyway, I really was just messing with ya........... I figured anyone who believed (apparently you do not, but Ceile De do) that Christ came "with a fairy in His hand" HAD TO HAVE a sense of humor...........

I be outtahere..........God bless you too

Sorry, kina hard to tell if someone is joking on this or not. If I misunderstood you on any posts I'm sorry. Yeah I read up on the new Ceile De movement and it is pretty far out there. I love history, mostly Celtic and the Ceile De were an interesting order. Yes you are right the name has multiple meanings, the two I like the most are Companion of God and Spouse of God.

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

1 Timothy 5:22 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Do not lay hands upon anyone too hastily and thereby share responsibility for the sins of others; keep yourself free from sin.

So has anyone encountered anything strange when laying on hands? Just something someone brought up in chat tonight that they would never allow anyone to lay hands on them and they would never lay hands on someone else. I'm speaking of laying on hands for prayer.

I guess this person felt they could receive something bad from the other person like a sin or a demon?

I've never had this happen to me so just curious if anyone has experienced this or know of anyone who has?

If a person refuses to repent and approval is given to that person, the Preacher giving the approval then becomes a partaker of the sins being committed. The KJV says keep yourself pure, which can be done only by understanding that our Faith must ever be in the Cross, which then gives the Holy Spirit the latitude to give us Victory.

 

[pottersclay]

The o.p.of this has nothing to do with a spiritual matter. It was a expression in the day not to do with the laying of hands to pray for or heal.
It means to not embrace suddenly. Some people talk godly act godly but are not. Judas is a example for one.

 

[CeileDe]

The o.p.of this has nothing to do with a spiritual matter. It was a expression in the day not to do with the laying of hands to pray for or heal.
It means to not embrace suddenly. Some people talk godly act godly but are not. Judas is a example for one.

I was simply stating what someone else was worried about on the forum. So I asked if anyone else had this issue, it isn't my issue. I lay hands on whomever God tells me to lay hands on.

 

[pottersclay]

I was simply stating what someone else was worried about on the forum. So I asked if anyone else had this issue, it isn't my issue. I lay hands on whomever God tells me to lay hands on.

O I understand but the text is a expression of the day not the act of the laying of hands.

 

[CeileDe]

O I understand but the text is a expression of the day not the act of the laying of hands.

I agree with you. That was the verse they used.

 

[OneFaith]

I would have to disagree with this. Where is the love in your statement? If someone is in need of praying for shouldn't we as Christians, out of love, lay our hands on them and pray for whatever need they may have? Why should I worry about my integrity? That is a very selfish statement and if I'm worried about that then I'm not walking in the footsteps of our Lord.

I'm sorry but I'm just a bit dumbfounded by your statement because it is a statement that is all about you and not about the person needing the prayer/laying on of hands and definitely not about God.

I know this is hard to understand, please stay with me as I explain. You know the verse "It rains on the just and the unjust"? Why does it rain on the unjust? Because God is sending rain to the just, and the unjust are receiving the overflow of the just's blessing. Someday, when the unjust are in hell, they will not take part in our overflowing blessings. They will wish rain would fall on them, to cool their tongues in the fire, but they will receive no such relief.

Even today they can find out about what the Word of God says, and get excited about the bennefits, but it's not for them. They are reading someone else's mail- the Bible is addressed to Christians, not to the worldly. It could be for them if they became Christians, but as it is now "Thou shalt be saved" is for those belonging to the Lord.

There was a time when even Gentiles were not recipients of the benefits of being God's people. Jesus addressed such a one before He died on the cross and changed the beneficiaries from "Israelites" to "Whosoever will." Read Mathew 15, and see that she was turned down her request until proven the faith in her heart. It is like our Master to check the heart first. He wasn't hasty, neither should we be.

Of course we want all to obey and recieve the blessings of being God's child. But unless they see something they want, they won't become God's child. We are fishers of men. What does a fisher do? Do they run through the water grabbing at fish? No- they show the bait and wait patiently for the fish to come to them. Even still you don't snatch at them, but wait for them to take a bite.

The prayer if a righteous man does much good. That is a benefit of being God's child. A worldly person may see that, and want that, but they need to want it enough to take a bite, and get hooked on the love and power of God. Now the thought of being hooked with a hook physically is not at all desirable. But it's just and example, and going to heaven is desirable to most.

 

[CeileDe]

I know this is hard to understand, please stay with me as I explain. You know the verse "It rains on the just and the unjust"? Why does it rain on the unjust? Because God is sending rain to the just, and the unjust are receiving the overflow of the just's blessing. Someday, when the unjust are in hell, they will not take part in our overflowing blessings. They will wish rain would fall on them, to cool their tongues in the fire, but they will receive no such relief.

Even today they can find out about what the Word of God says, and get excited about the bennefits, but it's not for them. They are reading someone else's mail- the Bible is addressed to Christians, not to the worldly. It could be for them if they became Christians, but as it is now "Thou shalt be saved" is for those belonging to the Lord.

There was a time when even Gentiles were not recipients of the benefits of being God's people. Jesus addressed such a one before He died on the cross and changed the beneficiaries from "Israelites" to "Whosoever will." Read Mathew 15, and see that she was turned down her request until proven the faith in her heart. It is like our Master to check the heart first. He wasn't hasty, neither should we be.

Of course we want all to obey and recieve the blessings of being God's child. But unless they see something they want, they won't become God's child. We are fishers of men. What does a fisher do? Do they run through the water grabbing at fish? No- they show the bait and wait patiently for the fish to come to them. Even still you don't snatch at them, but wait for them to take a bite.

The prayer if a righteous man does much good. That is a benefit of being God's child. A worldly person may see that, and want that, but they need to want it enough to take a bite, and get hooked on the love and power of God. Now the thought of being hooked with a hook physically is not at all desirable. But it's just and example, and going to heaven is desirable to most.

From your profile I see you are self taught? If you don't belong to a Church how do you fellowship with other Christians? Who do you go to for mentorship? Your post is a lot of rambling and I'm not here to be taught by you so no I won't stay with you on your post.