lazarus and the rich man is a parable
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Judgment seat, you, and, God speaking to you, who took Christ seriously but not taught/believed of hell seriously, and, therefore, your teaching caused many to misstep, stumble, fall away, and, sigh, here is the biggest 'milstone' word for you, you caused them to depart from their faith.
I have for you this Word.....
John 11:46-50:
Listen to these 4 verses words, and, tell me who God is talking to about receiving 'everlasting life.'
The saved or the unsaved ?
I have for you this Word.....
John 11:46-50:
Listen to these 4 verses words, and, tell me who God is talking to about receiving 'everlasting life.'
The saved or the unsaved ?
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[FONT="]The parable of the rich man and Lazarus is a parable Look at the way Jesus starts His parables
[/FONT][FONT="]Luke 10:30[/FONT][FONT="]
(30) And Jesus answering said, [/FONT][FONT="]A certain man [/FONT][FONT="]went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.
[/FONT][FONT="]Luke 12:16[/FONT][FONT="]
(16) And he spake a parable unto them, saying, The ground of [/FONT][FONT="]a certain rich man[/FONT][FONT="] brought forth plentifully:
[/FONT][FONT="]Luke 13:6[/FONT][FONT="]
(6) He spake also this parable;[/FONT][FONT="] A certain man [/FONT][FONT="]had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none.
[/FONT][FONT="]Luke 14:16[/FONT][FONT="]
(16) Then said he unto him, [/FONT][FONT="]A certain man[/FONT][FONT="] made a great supper, and bade many:
[/FONT][FONT="]Luke 15:11[/FONT][FONT="]
(11) And he said, [/FONT][FONT="]A certain man[/FONT][FONT="] had two sons:
[/FONT][FONT="]Luke 16:1[/FONT][FONT="]
(1) And he said also unto his disciples, There was [/FONT][FONT="]a certain rich man,[/FONT][FONT="] which had a steward; and the same was accused unto him that he had wasted his goods.
[/FONT][FONT="]Luke 19:12[/FONT][FONT="]
(12) He said therefore, [/FONT][FONT="]A certain nobleman[/FONT][FONT="] went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.[/FONT][FONT="]
Luke 20:9[/FONT][FONT="]
(9) Then began he to speak to the people this parable; [/FONT][FONT="]A certain man[/FONT][FONT="] planted a vineyard, and let it forth to husbandmen, and went into a far country for a long time.
Notice how all these parables start now look at how the parable of the rich man and Lazarus starts.
[/FONT][FONT="]Luke 16:19[/FONT][FONT="]
(19) There was [/FONT][FONT="]a certain rich man,[/FONT][FONT="] which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
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Literally, it means the unseen state. In the KJV of the Bible it is translted as grave 31 times, hell 31 times, and pit 3 times. It should never have been translated as hell. Most of the new Bible versions use the word as it is, sheol. Sheol is never used in the OT to denote a place of everlasting torment.
God bless.
Tom
God bless.
Tom
I completely agree with you about sheol being mistranslated, which is why I asked the question about what scriptures you use to support the idea that physical bodies go to sheol.
So, what scriptures do you use to support that idea?
There is a different word that is better translated grave, which actually identifies that physical bodies go into it.
So, what scriptures do you use to support that idea?
There is a different word that is better translated grave, which actually identifies that physical bodies go into it.
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LAODICEA
YOU SAID: As I said and showed from the Bible that if people go to heaven or hell when they die then the Bible contradicts itself, the Bible does not contradict itself so it is a parable.
1st of all, Jesus did not say that Lazarus was taken to Heaven. Do you see that in the text anywhere? No you do not, you are incorrect in this assumption. Where does it really say that Lazarus was taken?... That's right.."Abraham's Bosom."
Abraham was not in Heaven at this time because Jesus had not yet paid the price of admission, which was His blood. This was a place for the righteous dead... it was a paradise, but it wasn't heaven, that's why the place of torment was so close to it. This is the place where Jesus descended to with the theif and preached to the righteous souls held captive in the grave and he took them to Heaven with Him.
LUKE 23:43
Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”
1 PETER 3:18-20
18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us[e] to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, 19 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited[f] in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water.
EPHESIANS 4:8-10
8 Therefore He says: “When He ascended on high,He led captivity captive,And gave gifts to men.”[b]9 (Now this, “He ascended”—what does it mean but that He also first[c] descended into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He who descended is also the One who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things.)
YOU SAID: As I said and showed from the Bible that if people go to heaven or hell when they die then the Bible contradicts itself, the Bible does not contradict itself so it is a parable.
1st of all, Jesus did not say that Lazarus was taken to Heaven. Do you see that in the text anywhere? No you do not, you are incorrect in this assumption. Where does it really say that Lazarus was taken?... That's right.."Abraham's Bosom."
Abraham was not in Heaven at this time because Jesus had not yet paid the price of admission, which was His blood. This was a place for the righteous dead... it was a paradise, but it wasn't heaven, that's why the place of torment was so close to it. This is the place where Jesus descended to with the theif and preached to the righteous souls held captive in the grave and he took them to Heaven with Him.
LUKE 23:43
Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”
1 PETER 3:18-20
18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us[e] to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, 19 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited[f] in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water.
EPHESIANS 4:8-10
8 Therefore He says: “When He ascended on high,He led captivity captive,And gave gifts to men.”[b]9 (Now this, “He ascended”—what does it mean but that He also first[c] descended into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He who descended is also the One who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things.)
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laodicea
you said: Notice how all these parables start now look at how the parable of the rich man and Lazarus starts.
[FONT="]Luke 16:19[/FONT][FONT="]
(19) There was [/FONT][FONT="]a certain rich man,[/FONT][FONT="] which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:[/FONT]
Also notice how Jesus uses names..."What other parable did Jesus do this?"
Also notice how Jesus quoted a historical figure...Abraham..."What other parable did he do this?"
If Abraham did not actually speak these words then Jesus is a liar. The fact that you think this is a parable does not excuse the lie.
you said: Notice how all these parables start now look at how the parable of the rich man and Lazarus starts.
[FONT="]Luke 16:19[/FONT][FONT="]
(19) There was [/FONT][FONT="]a certain rich man,[/FONT][FONT="] which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:[/FONT]
Also notice how Jesus uses names..."What other parable did Jesus do this?"
Also notice how Jesus quoted a historical figure...Abraham..."What other parable did he do this?"
If Abraham did not actually speak these words then Jesus is a liar. The fact that you think this is a parable does not excuse the lie.
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Doesn't matter. You can debate all day long and call it a parable all day long. If it was a parable then you are teaching that it is the only parable that is based on a false scenario. All other teachings and parables are based on events that really could happen, yet this one you have to say "He taught this parable based on a event that is impossible" All so you can squeeze it into what you want the Bible to say.
Ok, First of all, WHAT PARABLE JESUS EVER SPOKE OF WAS BASED OF ANYTHING NOT TRUE, HE USES ONE TRUE THING TO MAKE A BIGGER PICTURE OF ANOTHER.
Isn't it true that before every summer fig trees will start growing leaves?
Isn't it true that if a person found a great treasure in a field, he will sell everything to buy that field, because he will regain what he spent plus more.
Isn't it true that if a man go a spend his inheritance and have to live with pigs, he will go home where he can live good.
NOT ONE PARABLE WAS BASED ON SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT TRUE ALREADY.............. AND THEY WERE ONLY USED SO PEOPLE WITH SMALL UNDERSTANDINGS MAY SEE THE BIG PICTURE.
AND NOT ONLY DID JESUS USE ABRAHAM IN THE TRUE STORY............ HE SAID MOSES AND THE PROPHETS TOO, WHEN THE MAN SAID THAT HE WANTED TO WARN HIS 5 BROTHERS............ HE SAID MOSES WAS ALIVE AT THE TIME WHEN THIS MAN WENT TO HELL AND THERE WAS ALSO PROPHETS ....... AND IF HIS BROTHERS WON'T LISTEN TO THE """ LIVING"" THEY WONT LISTEN TO SOMEONE FROM THE WHO IS DEAD.
A PARABLE IS NOT A FALSE STORY, NOT ONE OF THEM......... THEY ARE THROUGHOUT THE OLD TESTAMENT, BUT THE STORY OF THE RICH MAN GOING TO HELL IS A TRUE STORY........ ALSO REMEMBER JESUS SAID THAT GOD IS THE GOD OF THE LIVING NOT THE DEAD, WHEN THE PHARISEES SAID ABRAHAM WAS DEAD...........
Isn't it true that before every summer fig trees will start growing leaves?
Isn't it true that if a person found a great treasure in a field, he will sell everything to buy that field, because he will regain what he spent plus more.
Isn't it true that if a man go a spend his inheritance and have to live with pigs, he will go home where he can live good.
NOT ONE PARABLE WAS BASED ON SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT TRUE ALREADY.............. AND THEY WERE ONLY USED SO PEOPLE WITH SMALL UNDERSTANDINGS MAY SEE THE BIG PICTURE.
AND NOT ONLY DID JESUS USE ABRAHAM IN THE TRUE STORY............ HE SAID MOSES AND THE PROPHETS TOO, WHEN THE MAN SAID THAT HE WANTED TO WARN HIS 5 BROTHERS............ HE SAID MOSES WAS ALIVE AT THE TIME WHEN THIS MAN WENT TO HELL AND THERE WAS ALSO PROPHETS ....... AND IF HIS BROTHERS WON'T LISTEN TO THE """ LIVING"" THEY WONT LISTEN TO SOMEONE FROM THE WHO IS DEAD.
A PARABLE IS NOT A FALSE STORY, NOT ONE OF THEM......... THEY ARE THROUGHOUT THE OLD TESTAMENT, BUT THE STORY OF THE RICH MAN GOING TO HELL IS A TRUE STORY........ ALSO REMEMBER JESUS SAID THAT GOD IS THE GOD OF THE LIVING NOT THE DEAD, WHEN THE PHARISEES SAID ABRAHAM WAS DEAD...........
L
My brother who died last week suffered from parkinsons decease for the last 13 years of his life and dementia for the last 6 as a result of parkinsons. For any to say he is in eternal torment is teaching doctrines of devils and is not teaching correctly the character of God. To teach this is not a parable is to teach the doctrine of eternal torment.
If people want to reject the story of Lazarus and the rich man by calling it a parable or any other thing so that they can reject the doctrine of hell and eternal torment for the wicked. let them. They are the ones living in unbelief about the justice of God and the place of eternal torment that God has reserved for the wicked along with Satan and his angels.
Does sheol refer to the grave, or does it refer to hell, or perhaps both? This is a common concern. It certainly does refer to the grave. Many people, however, think that it only refers to the grave, and that it doesn't refer to hell at all. To find out, we can simply look at some of the verses in which it appears, and examine their context.
Keep in mind that hell's direction is down (2 Peter 2:4).
4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; (2 Peter 2:4)
Based on the context, the following verses use sheol to refer to hell, the destination of the wicked:
22 For a fire is kindled by my anger, And shall burn to the lowest hell; It shall consume the earth with her increase, And set on fire the foundations of the mountains. (Deuteronomy 32:22)
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17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, And all the nations that forget God. (Psalm 9:17)
Psalm 9:17 tells us that the wicked and all the nations that forget God shall be turned into hell. It wouldn't make sense to say that this is just referring to the grave. Everyone dies, both the just and the unjust. But hell is for the wicked only.
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15 Let death seize them; Let them go down alive into hell, For wickedness is in their dwellings and among them. (Psalm 55:15)
Psalm 55:15 tells us that the wicked go down alive into hell. Of course, corpses are not alive. When the wicked die, the soul departs the body, which remains dead and is left behind to rot. In hell, the soul has a new body, which is alive in hell. All of this can be determined from Matthew 10:28:
28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. (Matthew 10:28)
Therefore, Psalm 55:15 can only be a reference to hell.
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5 Her feet go down to death, Her steps lay hold of hell. (Proverbs 5:5)
Her feet do down (the direction of hell) to death. Her steps (corpses do not walk) lay hold of hell.
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27 Her house is the way to hell, Descending to the chambers of death. (Proverbs 7:27)
Descending is movement in the direction of hell.
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18 But he does not know that the dead are there, That her guests are in the depths of hell. (Proverbs 9:18)
Corpses aren't guests.
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24 The way of life winds upward for the wise, That he may turn away from hell below. (Proverbs 15:24)
The way of life (righteousness) winds upward (to heaven) for the wise, that he may turn from hell (the destination of the wicked) below (the direction of hell).
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14 You shall beat him with a rod, And deliver his soul from hell. (Proverbs 23:14)
Proverbs 22:14 should remove remaining doubt that sheol can refer to hell. It tells us that souls are delivered from sheol. No explanation is really needed here. Souls are delivered from hell, not the grave. The grave is the destination for corpses, not souls.
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14 Therefore Sheol has enlarged itself And opened its mouth beyond measure; Their glory and their multitude and their pomp, And he who is jubilant, shall descend into it. (Isaiah 5:14)
They descend (the direction of hell) into sheol.
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19 As drought and heat consume the snow waters, So the grave consumes those who have sinned. (Job 24:19)
Job 24:19 tells us that sheol is a reference to the destination of the wicked (those who have sinned).
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15 But God will redeem my soul from the power of the grave, For He shall receive me. Selah (Psalm 49:15)
Psalm 49:15 similarly should remove any doubt. God redeems souls from the power of hell, not the grave. Everyone goes to the grave, redeemed or not.
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13 For great is Your mercy toward me, And You have delivered my soul from the depths of Sheol. (Psalm 86:13)
Again, God delivers the righteous from hell, not the grave.
Similarly, context shows us that sheol is also used to refer to the grave. This is why some people get the mistaken idea that it refers only to the grave and never to hell.
35 And all his sons and all his daughters arose to comfort him; but he refused to be comforted, and he said, "For I shall go down into the grave to my son in mourning." Thus his father wept for him. (Genesis 37:35)
38 But he said, "My son shall not go down with you, for his brother is dead, and he is left alone. If any calamity should befall him along the way in which you go, then you would bring down my gray hair with sorrow to the grave." (Genesis 42:38)
29 But if you take this one also from me, and calamity befalls him, you shall bring down my gray hair with sorrow to the grave.' (Genesis 44:29)
31 it will happen, when he sees that the lad is not with us, that he will die. So your servants will bring down the gray hair of your servant our father with sorrow to the grave. (Genesis 44:31)
6 "The Lord kills and makes alive; He brings down to the grave and brings up. (1 Samuel 2:6)
13 "Oh, that You would hide me in the grave, That You would conceal me until Your wrath is past, That You would appoint me a set time, and remember me! (Job 14:13)
5 For in death there is no remembrance of You; In the grave who will give You thanks? (Psalm 6:5)
3 For my soul is full of troubles, And my life draws near to the grave. (Psalm 88:3)
48 What man can live and not see death? Can he deliver his life from the power of the grave? Selah (Psalm 89:48)
7 Our bones are scattered at the mouth of the grave, As when one plows and breaks up the earth. (Psalm 141:7)
10 Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might; for there is no work or device or knowledge or wisdom in the grave where you are going. (Ecclesiastes 9:10)
Keep in mind that hell's direction is down (2 Peter 2:4).
4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; (2 Peter 2:4)
Based on the context, the following verses use sheol to refer to hell, the destination of the wicked:
22 For a fire is kindled by my anger, And shall burn to the lowest hell; It shall consume the earth with her increase, And set on fire the foundations of the mountains. (Deuteronomy 32:22)
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17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, And all the nations that forget God. (Psalm 9:17)
Psalm 9:17 tells us that the wicked and all the nations that forget God shall be turned into hell. It wouldn't make sense to say that this is just referring to the grave. Everyone dies, both the just and the unjust. But hell is for the wicked only.
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15 Let death seize them; Let them go down alive into hell, For wickedness is in their dwellings and among them. (Psalm 55:15)
Psalm 55:15 tells us that the wicked go down alive into hell. Of course, corpses are not alive. When the wicked die, the soul departs the body, which remains dead and is left behind to rot. In hell, the soul has a new body, which is alive in hell. All of this can be determined from Matthew 10:28:
28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. (Matthew 10:28)
Therefore, Psalm 55:15 can only be a reference to hell.
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5 Her feet go down to death, Her steps lay hold of hell. (Proverbs 5:5)
Her feet do down (the direction of hell) to death. Her steps (corpses do not walk) lay hold of hell.
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27 Her house is the way to hell, Descending to the chambers of death. (Proverbs 7:27)
Descending is movement in the direction of hell.
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18 But he does not know that the dead are there, That her guests are in the depths of hell. (Proverbs 9:18)
Corpses aren't guests.
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24 The way of life winds upward for the wise, That he may turn away from hell below. (Proverbs 15:24)
The way of life (righteousness) winds upward (to heaven) for the wise, that he may turn from hell (the destination of the wicked) below (the direction of hell).
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14 You shall beat him with a rod, And deliver his soul from hell. (Proverbs 23:14)
Proverbs 22:14 should remove remaining doubt that sheol can refer to hell. It tells us that souls are delivered from sheol. No explanation is really needed here. Souls are delivered from hell, not the grave. The grave is the destination for corpses, not souls.
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14 Therefore Sheol has enlarged itself And opened its mouth beyond measure; Their glory and their multitude and their pomp, And he who is jubilant, shall descend into it. (Isaiah 5:14)
They descend (the direction of hell) into sheol.
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19 As drought and heat consume the snow waters, So the grave consumes those who have sinned. (Job 24:19)
Job 24:19 tells us that sheol is a reference to the destination of the wicked (those who have sinned).
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15 But God will redeem my soul from the power of the grave, For He shall receive me. Selah (Psalm 49:15)
Psalm 49:15 similarly should remove any doubt. God redeems souls from the power of hell, not the grave. Everyone goes to the grave, redeemed or not.
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13 For great is Your mercy toward me, And You have delivered my soul from the depths of Sheol. (Psalm 86:13)
Again, God delivers the righteous from hell, not the grave.
Similarly, context shows us that sheol is also used to refer to the grave. This is why some people get the mistaken idea that it refers only to the grave and never to hell.
35 And all his sons and all his daughters arose to comfort him; but he refused to be comforted, and he said, "For I shall go down into the grave to my son in mourning." Thus his father wept for him. (Genesis 37:35)
38 But he said, "My son shall not go down with you, for his brother is dead, and he is left alone. If any calamity should befall him along the way in which you go, then you would bring down my gray hair with sorrow to the grave." (Genesis 42:38)
29 But if you take this one also from me, and calamity befalls him, you shall bring down my gray hair with sorrow to the grave.' (Genesis 44:29)
31 it will happen, when he sees that the lad is not with us, that he will die. So your servants will bring down the gray hair of your servant our father with sorrow to the grave. (Genesis 44:31)
6 "The Lord kills and makes alive; He brings down to the grave and brings up. (1 Samuel 2:6)
13 "Oh, that You would hide me in the grave, That You would conceal me until Your wrath is past, That You would appoint me a set time, and remember me! (Job 14:13)
5 For in death there is no remembrance of You; In the grave who will give You thanks? (Psalm 6:5)
3 For my soul is full of troubles, And my life draws near to the grave. (Psalm 88:3)
48 What man can live and not see death? Can he deliver his life from the power of the grave? Selah (Psalm 89:48)
7 Our bones are scattered at the mouth of the grave, As when one plows and breaks up the earth. (Psalm 141:7)
10 Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might; for there is no work or device or knowledge or wisdom in the grave where you are going. (Ecclesiastes 9:10)
So are you saying that Jesus preached and taught doctrines of devils????
may I ask what bible do you read, that do not teach about the eternal judgment of God........... all through the bible from the Old to the New it teaches of God's judgement.......... And God love is not giving so that man can live in their sins and be rewarded good............. if this was to be true, there would be no need for Jesus to have come to suffer and die, there would be no need for the Lord to be raised from the dead............. if God being love, will just allow us to go into his kingdom for all eternity no matter what we do....... then why did he kill so many people in the Old testament........... Why did Jesus say that it would be better for Sodom in the day of Judgement then it will be for those who rejected him after the working of the Holy Spirit was given to them..............
What did Jesus mean when he said there will be weeping and nashing of teeth, were the worms never die and the FIRES are never quenched???
What was the bible speaking of when it said the second death which is the LAKE OF FIRE, in which ALL WHO NAMES WERE NOT WRITTEN IN THE LAMBS BOOK OF LIFE WILL GO???
What God is it that you speak of?? it sure is not the God of the Holy Bible, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Love do not mean you will not punish for wrong doing, even in the book of proverbs it say if you don't beat your children you hate them............. yet God said he will chasten his own, those whom he love...... because God loved his creation, he did not want to see it all destroyed again because of man.... so He was making a way so that all who will walk away from their wick ways will not be destroyed as it had happened in the flood...... He while we were still in sin.... offered His love to us........ He through Christ Jesus showed us that His love was worth that taking, He did not give it until it was excepted. please, look up the definition of the words in the bible you never seen before........ most of them does not mean what others preach they do.......
Romans 5:8
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
commended past participle, past tense of com·mend (Verb)
Verb:
Praise formally or officially.
Present as suitable for approval or acceptance; recommend
see this verse is not saying that God loved us while we were sinners..... it is saying that He showed how having His love is better then what we had in the world....... it is saying that God is showing how good His love is and how worthy His love is to be praised........ He offered it to us while we were still in our sins..... If He sent his only Son to die and suffer to save souls..... He is asking, "who ant this kind of Love......... and whosoever chooses to except His Son will be saved.
may I ask what bible do you read, that do not teach about the eternal judgment of God........... all through the bible from the Old to the New it teaches of God's judgement.......... And God love is not giving so that man can live in their sins and be rewarded good............. if this was to be true, there would be no need for Jesus to have come to suffer and die, there would be no need for the Lord to be raised from the dead............. if God being love, will just allow us to go into his kingdom for all eternity no matter what we do....... then why did he kill so many people in the Old testament........... Why did Jesus say that it would be better for Sodom in the day of Judgement then it will be for those who rejected him after the working of the Holy Spirit was given to them..............
What did Jesus mean when he said there will be weeping and nashing of teeth, were the worms never die and the FIRES are never quenched???
What was the bible speaking of when it said the second death which is the LAKE OF FIRE, in which ALL WHO NAMES WERE NOT WRITTEN IN THE LAMBS BOOK OF LIFE WILL GO???
What God is it that you speak of?? it sure is not the God of the Holy Bible, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Love do not mean you will not punish for wrong doing, even in the book of proverbs it say if you don't beat your children you hate them............. yet God said he will chasten his own, those whom he love...... because God loved his creation, he did not want to see it all destroyed again because of man.... so He was making a way so that all who will walk away from their wick ways will not be destroyed as it had happened in the flood...... He while we were still in sin.... offered His love to us........ He through Christ Jesus showed us that His love was worth that taking, He did not give it until it was excepted. please, look up the definition of the words in the bible you never seen before........ most of them does not mean what others preach they do.......
Romans 5:8
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
commended past participle, past tense of com·mend (Verb)
Verb:
Praise formally or officially.
Present as suitable for approval or acceptance; recommend
see this verse is not saying that God loved us while we were sinners..... it is saying that He showed how having His love is better then what we had in the world....... it is saying that God is showing how good His love is and how worthy His love is to be praised........ He offered it to us while we were still in our sins..... If He sent his only Son to die and suffer to save souls..... He is asking, "who ant this kind of Love......... and whosoever chooses to except His Son will be saved.
