Less than 30 Christian denominations, sects, and cults
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Interestingly enough Four Square Gospel churches are listed among denomination lists, but not Vineyard churches. If I could go back and edit the OP (which I can't) we could include them. Here's what's posted in Wikipedia:
The Association of Vineyard Churches, also known as the Vineyard Movement, is a neocharismatic evangelical Christian denomination.[SUP][2][/SUP] It has over 1,500 affiliated churches worldwide.[SUP][1]
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The Vineyard Movement is rooted in the charismatic renewal and historic evangelicalism. Instead of the mainstream charismatic label, however, the movement has preferred the term Empowered Evangelicals (a term coined by Rich Nathan and Ken Wilson in their book of the same name) to reflect their roots in traditional evangelicalism as opposed to classical Pentecostalism. Members also sometimes describe themselves as the "radical middle" between evangelicals and Pentecostals, which is a reference to the book The Quest for the Radical Middle, a historical survey of the Vineyard by Bill Jackson.
The Association of Vineyard Churches, also known as the Vineyard Movement, is a neocharismatic evangelical Christian denomination.[SUP][2][/SUP] It has over 1,500 affiliated churches worldwide.[SUP][1]
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The Vineyard Movement is rooted in the charismatic renewal and historic evangelicalism. Instead of the mainstream charismatic label, however, the movement has preferred the term Empowered Evangelicals (a term coined by Rich Nathan and Ken Wilson in their book of the same name) to reflect their roots in traditional evangelicalism as opposed to classical Pentecostalism. Members also sometimes describe themselves as the "radical middle" between evangelicals and Pentecostals, which is a reference to the book The Quest for the Radical Middle, a historical survey of the Vineyard by Bill Jackson.
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being the one that put the number at 200,000, i of course had a reason,
whether 30, 30,000 or 200,000. it reeks of nonsense, everybody can't be right nor is everybody wrong, as an example. lets use the Gospel as a baseline for truth. 1 group believes the bible is the Gospel, 1 Group believes that the first 4 books of the NT is the Gospel. another group in which I include myself. believe that Paul stated what the Gospel is and if you preach or teach anything else then you are doubly cursed.
on that basis alone you can see the nonsense created by preachers and teachers.
also 1 group believes in the cessation of all gifts of the spirit, while my group, believes that the gifts are alive and well,
then there is the church within the church, the leadership the big givers, the blowhards, you all know them well. then there are the churches that carry a large name but doo there own thing, possibly the rattlesnake people
Of course you have to include the eclesia in this. those that are loved of the father and are absolutely assured of salvation. that church is the one that is world wide, we carry no denominations, nor titles we just are. we go out daily spreading, the word. we aren't worldly or seeking fame and fortune. its the lonely road because all of the above inclosed in a building, as the preacher said, is vanities of vanities
the Gospel is and will always be Jesus, died on Thursday evening, rose on Sunday morning, and seated at the right hand of the Father.
As to the gifts, i believe in the book of Titus,(might be wrong) but if you deny the gifts then you are anti Christ after all Christ is the annointing, the annointing is the Holy Spirit, so in fact you are denying Jesus.
200,000 seems about right!!!!!
whether 30, 30,000 or 200,000. it reeks of nonsense, everybody can't be right nor is everybody wrong, as an example. lets use the Gospel as a baseline for truth. 1 group believes the bible is the Gospel, 1 Group believes that the first 4 books of the NT is the Gospel. another group in which I include myself. believe that Paul stated what the Gospel is and if you preach or teach anything else then you are doubly cursed.
on that basis alone you can see the nonsense created by preachers and teachers.
also 1 group believes in the cessation of all gifts of the spirit, while my group, believes that the gifts are alive and well,
then there is the church within the church, the leadership the big givers, the blowhards, you all know them well. then there are the churches that carry a large name but doo there own thing, possibly the rattlesnake people
Of course you have to include the eclesia in this. those that are loved of the father and are absolutely assured of salvation. that church is the one that is world wide, we carry no denominations, nor titles we just are. we go out daily spreading, the word. we aren't worldly or seeking fame and fortune. its the lonely road because all of the above inclosed in a building, as the preacher said, is vanities of vanities
the Gospel is and will always be Jesus, died on Thursday evening, rose on Sunday morning, and seated at the right hand of the Father.
As to the gifts, i believe in the book of Titus,(might be wrong) but if you deny the gifts then you are anti Christ after all Christ is the annointing, the annointing is the Holy Spirit, so in fact you are denying Jesus.
200,000 seems about right!!!!!
Just for Catholics
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30,000 Protestant Denominations?
Question: If one thing is clear, it's that there is one, single, visible Church that Jesus founded. This multitude of competing, conflicting denominations is no sign of God's work; therefore, it must be the work of the Evil One. Somewhere in the midst of these 30,000 denominations, there is one true church, and the rest are in sin and rebellion.
Answer: The "thousands-of-denominations" argument is very often employed to prove all sorts of things. Here are some citations from letters received from other Catholics:
How can all these denominations claim to follow the Bible yet all come to different conclusions? How can I possibly know which one of those above teach the truth when they can't even agree on what the Bible says? The Bible alone has created so much havoc in this world.
If there is only one Church, why are there so many Protestant denominations? Possibly many thousands throughout the world, as compared to only one Catholic Church? I do see it as a sign of God's judgment that there are close to 30,000 Protestant denominations.
The Bible alone can be dangerous. In fact, the Bible alone IS dangerous. Look at Protestantism: 100,000 different interpretation of the Bible, 100,000 contradictions, 100,000 different denominations claiming to have the key.
Peter said that no prophecy of the Scripture is for private interpretation. This is why you have 30,000 different Protestant denominations that all believe differently from one another. This alone should give you a clue that Protestantism is not the true Church of Jesus Christ.
So, the existence of many Protestant denominations supposedly proves that the Sola Scriptura is dangerous, that we should not try to understand the Bible for ourselves, that the church of Rome is the one true church, and of course, all the other churches are false.
Elsewhere I have written on the significance of the heterogeneity among Christians. (See That They May Be One and Disagreement among Protestants). Here I simply want to make one important addition, namely, that the allegation so often repeated by Catholic apologists that there are 20,000 to 30,000 Protestant denominations is simply FALSE . . . not to mention the double standard employed, for the Roman Church is not exactly united. There are untold factions and divisions, and diverse understanding of doctrine within Catholic groups and by different Catholic theologians and individuals.
In an article entitled "30,000 Protestant Denominations?", Evangelical apologist Eric Svendsen exposes the falsehood of this fabrication. Briefly:
Svendsen shows that the source of this figure is the World Christian Encyclopedia (David A. Barrett; Oxford University Press, 1982).
Barrett cites a figure of 20,780 denominations. However not all of them are Protestants. According to Barrett, Protestants account for 8,196 (and incidentally, Roman Catholics account for 223).
However, even this figure of eight thousand Protestant denominations is misleading, for Barrett defines "distinct denominations" as any group that might have a slightly different emphasis than another group. The distinction is made on the basis of jurisdiction, rather than differing beliefs and practices.
Barrett breaks down the Protestant bloc into twenty-one major "traditions" which are much closer to what we usually mean by the word "denominations." It is interesting that Roman Catholics are subdivided into sixteen such "traditions."
Svendsen concludes, "In short, Roman Catholic apologists have hurriedly, carelessly - and, as a result, irresponsibly - glanced at Barrett's work, found a large number (22,189), and arrived at all sorts of absurdities that Barrett never concluded."
The Lie of 30000 Protestant Denominations
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30,000 Protestant Denominations?
Question: If one thing is clear, it's that there is one, single, visible Church that Jesus founded. This multitude of competing, conflicting denominations is no sign of God's work; therefore, it must be the work of the Evil One. Somewhere in the midst of these 30,000 denominations, there is one true church, and the rest are in sin and rebellion.
Answer: The "thousands-of-denominations" argument is very often employed to prove all sorts of things. Here are some citations from letters received from other Catholics:
How can all these denominations claim to follow the Bible yet all come to different conclusions? How can I possibly know which one of those above teach the truth when they can't even agree on what the Bible says? The Bible alone has created so much havoc in this world.
If there is only one Church, why are there so many Protestant denominations? Possibly many thousands throughout the world, as compared to only one Catholic Church? I do see it as a sign of God's judgment that there are close to 30,000 Protestant denominations.
The Bible alone can be dangerous. In fact, the Bible alone IS dangerous. Look at Protestantism: 100,000 different interpretation of the Bible, 100,000 contradictions, 100,000 different denominations claiming to have the key.
Peter said that no prophecy of the Scripture is for private interpretation. This is why you have 30,000 different Protestant denominations that all believe differently from one another. This alone should give you a clue that Protestantism is not the true Church of Jesus Christ.
So, the existence of many Protestant denominations supposedly proves that the Sola Scriptura is dangerous, that we should not try to understand the Bible for ourselves, that the church of Rome is the one true church, and of course, all the other churches are false.
Elsewhere I have written on the significance of the heterogeneity among Christians. (See That They May Be One and Disagreement among Protestants). Here I simply want to make one important addition, namely, that the allegation so often repeated by Catholic apologists that there are 20,000 to 30,000 Protestant denominations is simply FALSE . . . not to mention the double standard employed, for the Roman Church is not exactly united. There are untold factions and divisions, and diverse understanding of doctrine within Catholic groups and by different Catholic theologians and individuals.
In an article entitled "30,000 Protestant Denominations?", Evangelical apologist Eric Svendsen exposes the falsehood of this fabrication. Briefly:
Svendsen shows that the source of this figure is the World Christian Encyclopedia (David A. Barrett; Oxford University Press, 1982).
Barrett cites a figure of 20,780 denominations. However not all of them are Protestants. According to Barrett, Protestants account for 8,196 (and incidentally, Roman Catholics account for 223).
However, even this figure of eight thousand Protestant denominations is misleading, for Barrett defines "distinct denominations" as any group that might have a slightly different emphasis than another group. The distinction is made on the basis of jurisdiction, rather than differing beliefs and practices.
Barrett breaks down the Protestant bloc into twenty-one major "traditions" which are much closer to what we usually mean by the word "denominations." It is interesting that Roman Catholics are subdivided into sixteen such "traditions."
Svendsen concludes, "In short, Roman Catholic apologists have hurriedly, carelessly - and, as a result, irresponsibly - glanced at Barrett's work, found a large number (22,189), and arrived at all sorts of absurdities that Barrett never concluded."
The Lie of 30000 Protestant Denominations
like i said, deliberately shortening the list.
why not fully embrace the bias?
here:
there's only two.
why not fully embrace the bias?
here:
- Catholics (various)
- Others
there's only two.
I know many denounce her, but most keep her traditions.
Except yours right....of course...we forget you set the standard for biblical correctness and Jesus molded and modeled his church off what yours would be like..........by the way....there is a world of difference between the listed denominations....and only bias ignorance would post what you posted......oh that is right...I keep forgetting you are all that and a bag of understanding........most keep her traditions you say...HAHAHAH what a farce.
"various"
heh
you know we could go the other way, and say that seeing how difficult it is to find any two people who agree 100% on every single detail and understanding, that each individual person is a denomination unto themselves -- millions!
if you wanna make a short list, you'll find a way to make a short list.
if you wanna make a long list, you'll find a way to make a long list.
ya just quietly fiddle with the working definition of 'denomination' and 'division'
heh
you know we could go the other way, and say that seeing how difficult it is to find any two people who agree 100% on every single detail and understanding, that each individual person is a denomination unto themselves -- millions!
if you wanna make a short list, you'll find a way to make a short list.
if you wanna make a long list, you'll find a way to make a long list.
ya just quietly fiddle with the working definition of 'denomination' and 'division'
mormons will come to your door and try to broadside you with "there are so many divisions in the Christian churches, so how can they be right?"
((there's well over an hundred registered divisions calling themselves LDS, too, though, in little more than 100 years time))
but i can see, easily, the compulsion to shorten the list of divisions when someone hits you with that. it's out of love, seeking to defend the object of that love.
((there's well over an hundred registered divisions calling themselves LDS, too, though, in little more than 100 years time))
but i can see, easily, the compulsion to shorten the list of divisions when someone hits you with that. it's out of love, seeking to defend the object of that love.