Let's kill the anti-rhetoric concerning missions

[preacher4truth]

Let me just pose an idea, something to consider.


It upsets you when people misrepresent your side, and your views, right?

You just did that yourself below!

I understand that.

Hmmm...lolzzzz

Is it within the realm of possibility that the Calvinist side might sometimes misrepresent the Arminian side?
Is this at least feasible?

LOL!!!!!!! Gotta love it! Come on maxwel, you're generally smarter that this, plus it was past your bedtime.

There is a need to leave off the rhetoric and unsubstantiated accusations. "Could it be you're misrepresenting the other side?" (paraphrasing of course).

Um, where exactly?

I mean, the OP is at least being factual, not merely accusatory.

Instead of the veiled accusation, provide some facts and examples? It just doesn't fly, it's all hypothesis, and frankly it's gossip and is divisive when one gets right down to it.

Facts. That's all. We Calvinists like facts, not hypotheses.

Anyhow, great OP SG!!!

 

[Johnny_B]

So do those missionaries honestly tell the unsaved "Listen, there is just no hope for some of you"? That's the logical Calvinistic gospel.

Where does that mind set or idea come from? Because I do not see it in Scripture, never seen Paul or any of the apostles saying that when the Lord told Paul that there were many of His people in Corith did cause him to preach any different. I never seen the apostles disobey Chirst and not preach the Gospel to all nations as He commanded. Have you never read Luke 24:46-48

“Then He said to them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day,47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.48 And you are witnesses of these things.”

Why do Brothers and Sisters that do not believe in sovereign grace to salvation, get a none Scripturall idea to the discussion? Bring the Scripture that says we are to preach some of you have hope and the rest of you do not. Where does it say we are to preach hope?

What does the logic of Calvinism or the logic of what you think Calvinism is, have to do with the Gospel?

 

[preacher4truth]

Where does that mind set or idea come from? Because I do not see it in Scripture, never seen Paul or any of the apostles saying that when the Lord told Paul that there were many of His people in Corith did cause him to preach any different. I never seen the apostles disobey Chirst and not preach the Gospel to all nations as He commanded. Have you never read Luke 24:46-48

“Then He said to them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day,47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.48 And you are witnesses of these things.”

Why do Brothers and Sisters that do not believe in sovereign grace to salvation, get a none Scripturall idea to the discussion? Bring the Scripture that says we are to preach some of you have hope and the rest of you do not. Where does it say we are to preach hope?

What does the logic of Calvinism or the logic of what you think Calvinism is, have to do with the Gospel?

No holds barred among those who hate biblical Sovereignty, election, predestination, that it is God being God who is ultimately in charge of who is saved, and who is not. Bearing false witness against those who believe is then not out of the question, which N6 has done.

 

[notuptome]

No holds barred among those who hate biblical Sovereignty, election, predestination, that it is God being God who is ultimately in charge of who is saved, and who is not. Bearing false witness against those who believe is then not out of the question, which N6 has done.

Calvinism as presented here is not biblical. Cowardice is hiding behind the ignore button.

I almost never respond to posters by name but Preacher4Truth and SovereignGrace are two of the most condescending and arrogant posters on this site. They bully and demean all who would even question their own conceited opinion of themselves. Where is the fruit of the Holy Spirit in their tone and conduct?

Put this on the burn pile but will you really need wood to stay warm in eternity? Lay up treasure not on earth but the incorruptible treasure in heaven.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[TruthTalk]

'Burn pile' is another name for my ignore list. Another log is another name for that one that gets added to it.

Kinda like this one

 

[Willie-T]

So do those missionaries honestly tell the unsaved "Listen, there is just no hope for some of you"? That's the logical Calvinistic gospel.

I'd bet a dollar against a donut that never a word of that stuff is breathed............ until AFTER they get them dunked.
THEN they proudly congratulate them on being among those that weren't condemned to Hell before they were born.

 

[TruthTalk]

I'd bet a dollar against a donut that never a word of that stuff is breathed............ until AFTER they get them dunked.
THEN they proudly congratulate them on being among those that weren't condemned to Hell before they were born.

Quote:
"until AFTER they get them dunked." What a shameful and disrespectful post, to speak in these terms of a new born believer being baptized into the body of Christ, is shocking to say the least.

"In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents." Luke15:10

 

[Laish]

I'd bet a dollar against a donut that never a word of that stuff is breathed............ until AFTER they get them dunked.
THEN they proudly congratulate them on being among those that weren't condemned to Hell before they were born.

Reformed folk would never say a complete load of nonsense like that Willie. Nor would we tell them some folks joke about their salvation on the internet . Also just for discussions sake Do you believe your joke helps ? My thinking jokes or comments about who is saved or not in this fashion only places a emotional and damaging wedge between those who have differing beliefs concerning this topic .
Blessings
Bill

 

[SovereignGrace]

Reformed folk would never say a complete load of nonsense like that Willie. Nor would we tell them some folks joke about their salvation on the internet . Also just for discussions sake Do you believe your joke helps ? My thinking jokes or comments about who is saved or not in this fashion only places a emotional and damaging wedge between those who have differing beliefs concerning this topic .
Blessings
Bill

Well stated Brother Bill.

Now go and bless some dingos.

Blesdings,

SG

 

[SovereignGrace]

Kinda like this one

Wow!! That Weinerdog can chop the wood!!

#Braggart

 

[notmyown]

I'd bet a dollar against a donut that never a word of that stuff is breathed............ until AFTER they get them dunked.
THEN they proudly congratulate them on being among those that weren't condemned to Hell before they were born.

hey, Willie? i think you're maybe confusing us with the baptismal regeneration crowd.

we ain't about that.

 

[SovereignGrace]

I'd bet a dollar against a donut that never a word of that stuff is breathed............ until AFTER they get them dunked.
THEN they proudly congratulate them on being among those that weren't condemned to Hell before they were born.

1) Totally false
2) Totally made-up
3) Totally unnecessary

 

[SovereignGrace]

hey, Willie? i think you're maybe confusing us with the baptismal regeneration crowd.

we ain't about that.

I know several Baptists that hold to the belief those who died without being baptized, they're not saved. And they hold to free will beliefs, to boot. No matter the grace God wrought in their heart, if they're not immersed in the H2O, they will die and go to hell.

This ain't baptismal regeneration, per se, but as the old timers around here, its pert near to it.

 

[preacher4truth]

I'd bet a dollar against a donut that never a word of that stuff is breathed............ until AFTER they get them dunked.
THEN they proudly congratulate them on being among those that weren't condemned to Hell before they were born.

Except for the pesky truth of Scripture that is beyond our comprehension and reason, refuting your false accusations:

And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. Ephesians 2:1-3

Oh. And the "you" referenced in the above Scripture? It refers to the elect and only the elect.

 

[Willie-T]

hey, Willie? i think you're maybe confusing us with the baptismal regeneration crowd.

we ain't about that.

Calvinists don't baptize? Now, that is something I didn't know.

 

[notmyown]

I know several Baptists that hold to the belief those who died without being baptized, they're not saved. And they hold to free will beliefs, to boot. No matter the grace God wrought in their heart, if they're not immersed in the H2O, they will die and go to hell.

This ain't baptismal regeneration, per se, but as the old timers around here, its pert near to it.

well, i never!

we attended a baptist church for years when we were first married, and boy, howdy, there were classes before baptism. they wanted to be as sure as anyone can be you were saved before you were baptized.

add this to my pile of stuff i don't know.

 

[notmyown]

Calvinists don't baptize? Now, that is something I didn't know.

for sure we do! we just don't believe baptism saves. Jesus saves.

 

[Snoozy]

i havent decided on this doctrine yet.

i believe both predestination and free will are true. bible has examples of both

 

[TruthTalk]

Wow!! That Weinerdog can chop the wood!!

#Braggart

Every Dog has its day.....

Title: Proud Weinerdog

 

[Depleted]

Now look guys, I know this isn't what Reformed missionaries say or do...

but it was still kinda funny.


: )

Actually, from a marketing standpoint, that might not be a bad idea. "I have this great deal to offer you, but there are more of you than what I have. So, quick! Take now, because it won't be available to all of you."

Sounds sleazy because it's been used in sleazy ways, BUT it is accurate.