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The problem with this theory is that true and just law comes from God. A nation that has a majority of bible believing Christians, has laws that pertain. However, when that nation begins to fall away from the statutes of God, things like homosexuality and child murder become acceptable and even now we are slapping pedophiles on the wrist.

Then that nation begins to fall into judgement and liberties are taken away, economic prosperity begins to diminish (sound familiar). It's the same thing that happened to Israel and Judea. Once the most powerful nation in the world, became dominated by its enemies and morality almost didn't exist. At one point God spoke through his prophet and said that Moses and Elijah were in the land, I would not spare it.

So the remnant of bible believing Christians are reaching out and trying to set things right, because we know whats going to happen if things don't change back to 50 years ago as far as morality and fearing God goes. Rest assured God has destroyed nations and cities. Many say that if God doesn't judge America strongly, then He will have to apologize to Sodom.
I strongly disagree that only christians will stop people murdering children. It might surprise you, but many non christians have an absolutely beautiful basis for their morality;

That people are inherently equal. Treat others as you'd like to be treated. Don't hurt others if you don't want to be hurt. Don't hate others, if you do not like to be hated. Don't cause someone to suffer, if you, yourself don't like to suffer. Don't kill. Don't maim. Don't torture. Do nothing to another person against their will. Do not fight with people.

In any society, there are exceptions to this. Every society has them. But to assume that without christianity, that people are without any moral guide, is false. Humans are usually born with empathy.
 
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I see you reside in the UK so you might be interested to know that the UK is reckoned to be the first western nation that will fall to Islamic Sharia Law. At the last election a Muslim MP said in his maiden speech "At the last election there were two muslims elected to parliament. At this election there were four muslims elected to parliament. The day will come when all members of parliament are muslims."

What does that mean? Secular law goes out the door and religious law becomes the law of the land.
Non-Muslims won't be trumpeting the 'evils' of society's Christian foundation if/when this happens.
 
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Because otherwise you'll deprive them of their human rights and Constitutional rights and put them in prison and bankrupt them and their families if they don't participate in your immoral activities which may or may not be legal. Got it Jhana. Got it you evil tyrant.

Then they best not get into a business in capitalist consumerism.
 
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I see you reside in the UK so you might be interested to know that the UK is reckoned to be the first western nation that will fall to Islamic Sharia Law. At the last election a Muslim MP said in his maiden speech "At the last election there were two muslims elected to parliament. At this election there were four muslims elected to parliament. The day will come when all members of parliament are muslims."

What does that mean? Secular law goes out the door and religious law becomes the law of the land.
I would begin the revolution with my own immolation if that ever happened, just like I would do so if christian law (as interpreted by a fundamentalist) were to become law.

But, there are statutes and principles of British law that simply cannot be changed, and while so many may be elected into office, there is only so many who can be. Office seats are numbered against a fair representation of the population of the country, as far as I'm aware.

I value morality, but mustaphadrink, what I do not value is forcing it on anyone. I love the fact that we have multicultural nations full of diverse beliefs and viewpoints. I think that the only way to truly come to a great understanding of one another is if, as nations made up of different types of people with varying beliefs, we embrace it and have common laws that apply to all. And if someone should wish to go above and beyond them, then so be it.

However, I consider discrimination as a step below them.
 
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Because otherwise you'll deprive them of their human rights and Constitutional rights and put them in prison and bankrupt them and their families if they don't participate in your immoral activities which may or may not be legal. Got it Jhana. Got it you evil tyrant.
I don't make the laws AgeOfKnowledge. And 'they' aren't 'my' immoral activities. But if you'd rather live in a society where religious beliefs are connotative of the extent to which a person can break the law and get away with it, then by all means.
 
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Sexual immorality doesn't come above religious freedom. Anybody can choose to be any religion. And anybody can choose their sexual preference. Each is equal in the eyes of the law. And that's the law.
Except that one judge in the U.K. said that homosexual rights are superior to religious freedom and ruled in favour of homosexuals to silence some Christians.

Except that homosexuals do not believe that everyone is equal in the eyes of the law. They have made it very clear that religious freedom it to be subject to homosexual rights and they will do all they can to silence anyone who disagrees with them.

As homosexuality has become a belief system, it has developed into a battle between truth and lies. Homosexuality is based on a lie that you are born homosexual. Satan is the father of lies, therefore their claim to be born homosexual is a lie and as a result they have to build lie upon lie to sustain their campaign.

I for one do not feel that I have to subject myself to a barrage of lies especially as I have been given the weapons to fight against such lies. Ultimately our enemy is satan. The homosexuals are just pawns to fight his battles.
 

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Non-Muslims won't be trumpeting the 'evils' of society's Christian foundation if/when this happens.
So right Tintin, so right. As they say you often don't know what you have until you haven't got it.
 
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Non-Muslims won't be trumpeting the 'evils' of society's Christian foundation if/when this happens.
Without God, where do we get our morals from? From evolution? That say that man is inherently good and getting better and smarter. Who built and started the ivy league colleges? now the have turned against their roots.Look a thief robs a train, but an educated thief steals the whole train company and in a non God fearing society, does it legally.

No man is good no not one. Not to the high standard that God demands and if you have a nation that adheres to His statutes, then you have the best nation on Earth. Most were idolatrous and sacrificed their children ( familiar) to these demons.

Only a nation that is majority bible Christians have liberty and true justice. Many states are now legalizing drugs what does that lead to? Homo marriage is legal in 13 states if not more. What was wrong with 50 years ago? we sure didn't have the problems that we do now.
 
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I don't make the laws AgeOfKnowledge. And 'they' aren't 'my' immoral activities. But if you'd rather live in a society where religious beliefs are connotative of the extent to which a person can break the law and get away with it, then by all means.
So you're admitting that you prefer to live in a society informed by Christianity? Interesting.
 
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Sorry tin imeant to reply to someone else. Think I got a bug. gonna log of and scan.
 

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I value morality, but mustaphadrink, what I do not value is forcing it on anyone.
In response, this story shows very clearly that homosexuals are keen to impose their immorality on everyone. My computer is full of stories where homosexuals have rode roughshod over law abiding citizens because they disagreed with them. In fact a file I have labelled intolerance seems to get at least one new case every day.

The homosexuals memorandum of understanding makes it quite clear their intention is to force their demands on everyone whether they agree or not. In this case it will be forcing IMMORALITY on society not morality. Already NAMBLA is gearing up to have sex between men and boys made legal on the back of the legalisation of same sex marriage.
 
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Except that one judge in the U.K. said that homosexual rights are superior to religious freedom and ruled in favour of homosexuals to silence some Christians.

Except that homosexuals do not believe that everyone is equal in the eyes of the law. They have made it very clear that religious freedom it to be subject to homosexual rights and they will do all they can to silence anyone who disagrees with them.

As homosexuality has become a belief system, it has developed into a battle between truth and lies. Homosexuality is based on a lie that you are born homosexual. Satan is the father of lies, therefore their claim to be born homosexual is a lie and as a result they have to build lie upon lie to sustain their campaign.

I for one do not feel that I have to subject myself to a barrage of lies especially as I have been given the weapons to fight against such lies. Ultimately our enemy is satan. The homosexuals are just pawns to fight his battles.
No, mustaphadrink, homosexuality is not based on a lie that you are born homosexual - the common scientific view of homosexuality is that a person is born homosexual. The fact that you view this scientific statement as a lie, does not mean anything about what they have built their campaign upon, it simply means you view the scientific statement as a lie.

Which is your choice, to accept or discard.

You are not being subject to a barrage of lies, any more than you subject them to a barrage of assaults, since both views are a matter of perspectives. It may be said that the christian focus on homosexuality in today's society is a social christian movement intimately incensed to try to force 'them' into changing their own decisions on your word. And such a thing, in fact, will never work, on the simple premise that to be against someone, and ask them to do as you say, is like Mitt Romney demanding that Barrack Obama change his worldview.

The bottom line of your faith is what,k that you desire to save others? How do you expect to do this with a battle-like view of 'them' being the forward mechanism in your method?
 
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In response, this story shows very clearly that homosexuals are keen to impose their immorality on everyone. My computer is full of stories where homosexuals have rode roughshod over law abiding citizens because they disagreed with them. In fact a file I have labelled intolerance seems to get at least one new case every day.

The homosexuals memorandum of understanding makes it quite clear their intention is to force their demands on everyone whether they agree or not. In this case it will be forcing IMMORALITY on society not morality. Already NAMBLA is gearing up to have sex between men and boys made legal on the back of the legalisation of same sex marriage.
If you view the restrictions of the current law as 'homosexuals forcing their morality on someone' then yea, but I view the restrictions of the current law as the current law.

And nothing in that law says 'every person must be gay'.
 

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That people are inherently equal. Treat others as you'd like to be treated. Don't hurt others if you don't want to be hurt. Don't hate others, if you do not like to be hated. Don't cause someone to suffer, if you, yourself don't like to suffer. Don't kill. Don't maim. Don't torture. Do nothing to another person against their will. Do not fight with people.
Sounds like a paraphrased version of the 10 commandments.
 

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No, mustaphadrink, homosexuality is not based on a lie that you are born homosexual - the common scientific view of homosexuality is that a person is born homosexual. The fact that you view this scientific statement as a lie, does not mean anything about what they have built their campaign upon, it simply means you view the scientific statement as a lie.
I would suggest that your opinion is that the scientific view is that a person is born homosexual. The evidence speaks otherwise. if that was the case, do you not think that the homosexual community would be trumpeting their 'scientific' evidence? Every so called piece of "scientific" research to prove a person is born homosexual has sunk without trace.

In various web discussions I have asked one question time and time again and it is this. Where is your proof that you are born homosexual and to date not one of them have been able to give me any proof. Therefore the claim must be a lie. In fact I know it is. I went to a homosexual national conference and in the workshop detailing their plans for acceptance the presenter said, 'I know we are not born gay but we have to convince people we are so that can we make our claims a civil right.'

Graham Willet who was sometime editor of a homosexual newspaper wrote a book. In it he said "being born gay is crap. If we believe that, we cannot try and get all those good looking straight boys into bed."

The APA which the homosexuals hold up as their champion of homosexual rights said 30 years ago that homosexuality was a mental disorder. In the 80s they said you are born homosexual. A couple of years ago they said they didn't know if you were born homosexual or not.

A retired president of the APA said that the APA has become a captive of the homosexual thought police so their research was not informed by scientific rigour but by pressure to comply with homosexual demands.

What I want to believe seems irrelevant in the light of this evidence.
 
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Sounds like a paraphrased version of the 10 commandments.
Exactly my point. I knew this stuff before I'd ever been to a church. And it's what I'll teach my kids, and what they'll teach their kids. Almost every religion on Earth has some form of this as their basis for morality. The study of ethics will show people this, easily. Just look at the examples.

Jesus says 'love your enemies, wish well for those who slander you, pray for those who persecute you'

Buddha says 'Consider others as yourself'.

Mahariva says 'just as I dislike to suffer, so all beings dislike to suffer'

Lao Tzu says 'I have only three things to teach you; simplicity, patience, compassion. These are the greatest of treaures'

The Hindu texts contain 'The great success of true happiness, of true success, is this; the man or woman who asks for no return, the perfectly unselfish person - they are the most successful'

The Sikhs read 'the giver of peace is eternally blissful' and 'through selfless service, eternal peace is obtained'.

Yet you think that people can't be moral unless they are christian, and should a christian ever become law, I imagine all these 'heresies' would be burned. All these fantastic, wonderful insights from all these people into human character and the mind, and compassion, and morality. Christians always talk about all these like they're dirt needing to be wiped from the Earth lol it boggles my mind.

Lots of these texts actually give a great insight into what your own bible means, because many, many figures of speech were shared among people in the East in the days of the Jews and Jesus. You have to remember Jerusalem was a hotbed. There weren't just Jews in Jerusalem, there ware people and influences from all over the eastern world.

Morality isn't only specific to Christianity, you know.
 
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All false religion uses a little truth. Didn't Satan use a little truth in the garden. he always includes a little truth and then distorts it.
 
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We've already been through this Jhana. You appear to be having difficulty processing and retaining information.

Morality is not subjective. It is objective and the reason it is objective is because objective reality really exists. We speak of the metaphysical in objective terms for both the material reality and the supernatural.

Murder, for example, is immoral. Whether it's legal or illegal or considered moral (as it has in many different cultures throughout human history into antiquity) or immoral by a people group's culture doesn't change the fact that murder is objectively immoral.

It is a true statement that murder is immoral no matter whether or not a people group accept that it is immoral.

The post modern revisionist relativist pluralistic definition of morality that liberals now posit is that morality is purely subjective to culture and arose as a result of linguistic markers during the process of human evolution. It's not difficult to see that this is a ridiculous false assertion.

In that definition, a witch doctor selling occult curses in Africa to make people sick is exactly as moral as a Christian pastor praying to God for one of his parishioners to be healed if each people group view their respective activity as moral.

Nonsense. The occult is a power emanating from the devil and selling curses to make someone sick is immoral and evil. The people group that believes this is moral are merely deceived.

That contrasts not compares to the pastor praying to God for his parishioner to be healed. Moral belief is not subjective to each person. Rather Jhana, people align or fail to align with the truth to the extent that they do.

I've already refuted your false assertion that just because a people pass a law that equates to the law being objectively moral (e.g. right), even though you just argued that is impossible for a law to be objectively moral, and therefore it is immoral (e.g. wrong) to break any law passed whatsoever.

I don't want to go in endless circles with you because you can't accept the truth and simply rewind and continue making the same false assertions repeatedly.

The truth is that business laws are rescinded regularly for many reasons and one of those reasons is because people come to realize they passed laws that were immoral! That's why immoral Jim Crow laws were repealed. That's why laws that once allowed manufactures to put heroin in cough syrup were repealed. That's why laws that allowed employers to work little children eighteen hours a day in sweat shops as prisoners were repealed. And that's why I'm arguing against persecuting moral people because they refuse to surrender their human rights (which no law can rightfully take) and their Constitutional rights (by the perverse perverting them).

The people that passed a great many immoral laws thought they were moral at the time they passed them. So were they once moral and then became immoral? No. They were always immoral and the people finally repealed them aligning themselves better with objective morality.

What you liberals want to do is go backwards and pass immoral laws to allow the immoral to exercise tyranny against the moral.

Again, stop putting words in my mouth. I'm not saying any of the things you are saying that I'm saying. That's a very bad habit you have of fabricating statements and projecting them at other people claiming they are saying them when they obviously are not.

What I've been saying is that creating a new legal environment (which has not existed before Jhana in this nation) that allows immoral people to persecute moral people depriving moral people of their human right to a moral freedom of conscience and their traditional Constitutional right to freedom of religion toward morality for refusing to participate in and facilitate objective immoral activities is tyrannical, evil, and immoral and that people, like you, who support doing that are engaging in tyranny, evil, and immorality against them.

Jhana, when you stand before Jesus and have to give an account for persecuting God's people for not violating their moral conscience and God's standard of holiness which is an extension of God's own character; you'll finally understand.

Until then, you're just going to go in circles and it's starting to get boring correcting you over and over again because your view of the world is tragically flawed to both your detriment and theirs.


Cookies are not facilitating immoral behavior. Cookies are inanimate objects for people to eat Cookies are not promoting immoral behavior, cookies are inanimate objects for people to eat. Cookies have no linkable tie to the maker. Many, many people make cookies. Cookies are not copyrighted.

Immoral behaviour is only black and white to those who view it in black and white terms. Moral belief is subjective to each person. Every person has different moral beliefs. What you're basically saying is that the whole of the US or world must live by the moralities of christians like you, in the USA. And it, frankly, is disturbing that you don't see it.

Everybody who opens a business, MUST obey business law. If you are not willing to OBEY business law, then you should NOT open a business.

What you are saying is that, as the law stands, though it is good enough for almost everyone I know, that you are not satisfied with the current law in business. You want to be able to control how people use the food you sell.

'Oh no, you can't bring that meat pie near a faggy gathering, no, no, get that back here, Jeeves'.

It's preposterous. Ridiculous. Utterly tyrannic.

I pay you for the pie. And I eat the pie whenever I choose, with whomever I choose. That's free commerce.
 
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Islam for example claims to be of the same God as Christ. However they can rob steal and kill as long as it is in the interest of Islam. a little truth twisted.

By the way we are very stupid in fighting Islamist terrorist. By their teaching, if they die in battle, then they receive 70 virgins and access to the 7th door of heaven. But if they touch a pig they are cursed. Why are we not using that? stupidity I guess.