Local church

Yet · Mar 9, 2016

The fallng away started when Diotrephes in 3John tried to start the 'cleric' order. Ignatius of Antioch picked up on the sweet idea at the start of the second century. Satan, by incrementation, or should I say excrementation, established the blasphemous clerical/laity division over time. The Catholic Church put the idea on steroids. When Martin Luther pulled out of Babylon, he took the cleric system with him intact.

So the ecclesia started out in the first century with the every member participation open meeting which Satan hated. It was directed by Christ, the Head of His body and powerful, not without problems of course. All members ministered their functions. I know you won't check out these scriptures but I'll post them again. Maybe somebody will listen to me some day. 1Cor.12, Ephesians 4, Romans 12.

So the falling away was embraced by the ecclesia. The great apostasy has reached the flash point in this last hour.

If someone escapes this apostate religion it is only natural for those that cling to Babylon to accuse them of being a heretic.

Personally I tried my level best to 'fit in' with this monster falsely called 'church' for several decades to no avail. God wouldn't have it. For a small taste of 'my world' see: 'which pastor'.

Yet · Mar 9, 2016

notuptome said:

The same Paul who went into the synagogue to preach Jesus?

Ac 13:14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.
Ac 14:1 And it came to pass in Iconium, that they went both together into the synagogue of the Jews, and so spake, that a great multitude both of the Jews and also of the Greeks believed.
Ac 17:10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
Ac 18:19 And he came to Ephesus, and left them there: but he himself entered into the synagogue, and reasoned with the Jews.
Ac 19:8 And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.

Paul taught that we should gather and fellowship together.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Heres where you continue to miss it. Does the MO matter? Does doctrine matter?

We are to fellowship with those of like faith, that are building their house on the firm foundation of His Truth. Eh?

Yet · Mar 9, 2016

Persuaded said:

Why do you judge me so? I am not lonely. I am not angry.I am not confused. Show me where I am confused. I have joy and the truth in my life. You have not shown me where I corrupt the scripture. You will not answer the verses I submit. Why?

So show me right now what scriptures I am twisting. Ten will get you twenty you won't, because you can't, thats why you avoid discussing the word.
Where am I compromising God's word? Where?

hornetguy · Mar 9, 2016

I have the feeling it's more that YET wouldn't have it..... and used God as an excuse.

It's so much easier to sit at home every Sunday and rail against all those "apostate" churches.

There are NO perfect churches. Never will be. Some so-called churches are obviously against what Jesus ordained, but you lump all churches in together, if they don't meet YOUR notions of what a church should be.

You should give up your notion of being "a lone voice crying in the wilderness" and come into the fellowship of believers.
A Christian cannot be a "loner"... that completely misses the intent of Jesus when He established His church. We are a body.. all of us have our part to play, but we play it together, in fellowship.

Persuaded · Mar 9, 2016

Yet said:

You did not address the Scripture I posted in post #1 nor notuptome's in post #19.
Are you still looking for a local church? Will you continue to condemn, and demmonize all church and pastors even thought by your on admission you have personal knowledge of less than 100?
Your actions and words speak volumnes about you, and what is shown is not pleasing to God.

Depleted · Mar 9, 2016

Persuaded said:

If I go to church, in about 45 minutes from the time I sit down in a chair (folding chairs or pews), I will start crying quietly, get up, and limp out the door in pain from my bad back. I could go to church, if I could afford a comfortable chair for the church building to sit in. My comfy chair at home broke last March. (Holy schmoly! I just realized I've been dealing with this problem for a year now.) Until I could afford a new one, I made due (and spent too much money trusting Laz-E-Boy to honor their "lifetime guarantee), by adding and removing pillows, cushions, towels, and then removing them to try to get comfortable again. I just bought the new one last week for more money than I paid for the recliner that broke.

As for hubby? He developed Tourette's in 2003, including both surprising jerky movements and blurts. He feared an inappropriate blurt right smack in the middle of the sermon. (Oddly enough, if he watches his language over a long period of time, he still blurts, but they aren't inappropriate. Surprising, but not inappropriate.)

Now, the good news is, ever since his heart attack, since he's been laid up in bed, I've seen no jerky moves or blurts. Because the Tourette's came along directly related to his inherited (aboard an aircraft carrier, when he was young and burned all over his body from cleaning a jet fuel tank --fumes, no fuel burned him) sensitivity to chemicals, and then 24 weeks of chemo, so we think that was the odd cause. Maybe God has reset his body with the heart attack, except this is just a theory, until he can walk again.

So, is we or isn't we "justified?"

(And I won't ask if we needed to be.

)

notuptome · Mar 9, 2016

Yet said:

Yes doctrine matters. Doctrine is the basis of our faith. The bible is doctrine.

We fellowship with those of like precious faith because the same Holy Spirit dwells within us.

The Truth is the Word of God.

You are bitter against God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

notuptome · Mar 9, 2016

Depleted said:

If I go to church, in about 45 minutes from the time I sit down in a chair (folding chairs or pews), I will start crying quietly, get up, and limp out the door in pain from my bad back. I could go to church, if I could afford a comfortable chair for the church building to sit in. My comfy chair at home broke last March. (Holy schmoly! I just realized I've been dealing with this problem for a year now.) Until I could afford a new one, I made due (and spent too much money trusting Laz-E-Boy to honor their "lifetime guarantee), by adding and removing pillows, cushions, towels, and then removing them to try to get comfortable again. I just bought the new one last week for more money than I paid for the recliner that broke.

As for hubby? He developed Tourette's in 2003, including both surprising jerky movements and blurts. He feared an inappropriate blurt right smack in the middle of the sermon. (Oddly enough, if he watches his language over a long period of time, he still blurts, but they aren't inappropriate. Surprising, but not inappropriate.)

Now, the good news is, ever since his heart attack, since he's been laid up in bed, I've seen no jerky moves or blurts. Because the Tourette's came along directly related to his inherited (aboard an aircraft carrier, when he was young and burned all over his body from cleaning a jet fuel tank --fumes, no fuel burned him) sensitivity to chemicals, and then 24 weeks of chemo, so we think that was the odd cause. Maybe God has reset his body with the heart attack, except this is just a theory, until he can walk again.

So, is we or isn't we "justified?"

(And I won't ask if we needed to be.

)

You would if you could. Many can but won't.

Some value the fellowship of the saints and far too many do not. God knows the hearts.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Depleted · Mar 9, 2016

Is it a bad thing that I wasn't surprised by either the judgemental nature this thread took nor the excuses others gave for themselves?

CC. Same place. Different date.

Persuaded · Mar 9, 2016

Depleted said:

If I go to church, in about 45 minutes from the time I sit down in a chair (folding chairs or pews), I will start crying quietly, get up, and limp out the door in pain from my bad back. I could go to church, if I could afford a comfortable chair for the church building to sit in. My comfy chair at home broke last March. (Holy schmoly! I just realized I've been dealing with this problem for a year now.) Until I could afford a new one, I made due (and spent too much money trusting Laz-E-Boy to honor their "lifetime guarantee), by adding and removing pillows, cushions, towels, and then removing them to try to get comfortable again. I just bought the new one last week for more money than I paid for the recliner that broke.

As for hubby? He developed Tourette's in 2003, including both surprising jerky movements and blurts. He feared an inappropriate blurt right smack in the middle of the sermon. (Oddly enough, if he watches his language over a long period of time, he still blurts, but they aren't inappropriate. Surprising, but not inappropriate.)

Now, the good news is, ever since his heart attack, since he's been laid up in bed, I've seen no jerky moves or blurts. Because the Tourette's came along directly related to his inherited (aboard an aircraft carrier, when he was young and burned all over his body from cleaning a jet fuel tank --fumes, no fuel burned him) sensitivity to chemicals, and then 24 weeks of chemo, so we think that was the odd cause. Maybe God has reset his body with the heart attack, except this is just a theory, until he can walk again.

So, is we or isn't we "justified?"

(And I won't ask if we needed to be.

)

Lady, you and your hubby have a legitimate reason. You are not alone.
Unfortunately many only offer excuses. God knows your heart.

hornetguy · Mar 9, 2016

Lynn... I don't think it's judgmental to describe what our responsibilities are as Christians.. I think it goes without saying that we're talking about attitudes... those Christians that COULD be a part of a church, but choose not to, citing all the excuses listed.. and many more.
It has nothing to do with those that would if they could, but cannot, due to circumstances.

eternally-gratefull · Mar 9, 2016

Yet said:

Um Paul was in jail when he said that. And could not go to an assembly. People did to him what the disciples did to Christ when he was arrested. They left him alone.

Maybe if you went to church, you would understand this.

Persuaded · Mar 9, 2016

notuptome said:

If you were a member of the church that I am a member, we would buy you a chair for your home and the church.
There would probably be a heated debate as to who would have the honor of paying for those chairs.

eternally-gratefull · Mar 9, 2016

Persuaded said:

He wont, as long as he continues to fight against God.

God did not want us to be alone for a reason.. He put us in a local body for a reason.

We fight against that assembling together. That is what will happen..

eternally-gratefull · Mar 9, 2016

Yet said:

Sorry, But when you say that matters, But assembling together does not matter, You lose all credibility

Either you believe the whole council of God. or non of it. We do nto get to pick and chose what to believe.

eternally-gratefull · Mar 9, 2016

Yet said:

Why do we judge you?

God commands we assemble together.

You are rejecting Gods word.

That's why.

resurrection33 · Mar 9, 2016

Persuaded said:

Heb. 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one onother: and so much more, as ye see the day approaching.

Eph.3:21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughtout all ages, world without end. Amen.

I have been here a short time and have read very few post. But it seems that some are not members of nor even attend a local church.

I believe that the two verses I quoted teach us that we should not only attend a local church, but should be a member. ie Be a part of it's ministry, support with our money, learn from others, teach others, fellowship with other.

This seems to be God's plan for us to glorify Him.

How does one justify not doing what these verses clealy teach?

I don't know where I'd be without my church. It's not perfect, but I guess I'm not perfect either.

kaylagrl · Mar 9, 2016

Persuaded said:

That is wonderful. I dont know where you live but it sounds like a church many would like to attend.

Yet · Mar 9, 2016

notuptome said:

Why do you judge me without knowledge. I am not bitter toward God. None of you will speak to the scriptures. Why? Just attack the messenger.

Yet · Mar 9, 2016

eternally-gratefull said:

You wont answer my question. Why? Can I go to the Mormon temple? And if not, why not?

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