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Do you know why my church does the submission to "healing" that we do so much of? Of course, to try to alleviate pain and suffering....... but mainly to take it right into evangelizing. Not a one of us ever prays for just healing, simply to get someone well. We do it with unbelievers to verbally tie it right into Salvation with them. And we do it with Believers to help strengthen them because of whatever areas of doubt and weakness prolonged pain and suffering may have dragged them down into.

This is not a "Come and get your healing" game.
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this is a beautiful act of Faith that your Church performs, we have not seen it often over the years -
hubby and I believe in this very much and have also discovered, that at different times if we pray
for The Lord to allow us to take their pain, He sometimes will allow this happen...
 
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:rofl: as it is written
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1 Juan: 2. 15. Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

16. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

17. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

18. Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

19. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
20. But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
21. I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
 
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I have to confess that I don't know what you mean. What are these "ingredients" you speak of?
Wigglesworth did some strange things,but was told to do so by the Holy Spirit.

# He stayed ready

#He never read anything but the bible

# He didn't care what others thought

# He didn't talk to anyone in the room

# He pulled the corpse out,like it was the most natural thing to do.

# The miracle failed twice. It did not even phase him.

# He would not put up with the miracle not happening.

# The man was totally blown out for God
 
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Wigglesworth did some strange things,but was told to do so by the Holy Spirit.

# He stayed ready

#He never read anything but the bible

# He didn't care what others thought

# He didn't talk to anyone in the room

# He pulled the corpse out,like it was the most natural thing to do.

# The miracle failed twice. It did not even phase him.

# He would not put up with the miracle not happening.

# The man was totally blown out for God
Yet, I think that only what I highlighted is the key.
 
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The truth is we have to trust God that He can heal us,and He will heal us,for lack of faith will not get anything done.

Jesus said let it be according to your faith.

God told the Jews that when He brings them to the land of Canaan,not to fear the people,and their many chariots,and weaponry,for the LORD is able to conquer them,and give the Jews the land.

12 people went to spy out the land,10 came back with an evil report,for they feared the people there,and there much chariots,so God did not give them the land at that time,but they wandered for 40 years,and then went in to the land.

God is not going to do anything for us,if we do nit believe He can do it,or we think He will not do it.

Also praying for someone will not do any good unless they too believe that can be healed,but you can pray for them,and God will touch their hearts to turn to Him,but it is their decision whether to seek God,or not.
 
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pottersclay

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Praise God...missing some of these saints right now
 

Pilgrimshope

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Now this is from my heart and not my mind. I serve a God that can do the impossible, I serve a God who is never changing (that keeps it simple).

I have laid hands on my brother when he was murder and laid on the table in the hospital where my wife worked. I have laid hands on my 2year old niece who drowned in a daycare center pool. Asking the Lord to return their life if it was his will. Sadly the answer was no.
I have prayed over family members with terminal illnesses asking for the Lord to heal, some lives were extended others were not.
Now to my understanding the laying of hands can mean 2 of the same thing . 1 you physically touch the person. 2 you pray over that person.
I've done both. With full expectation that the Lord is able. I have reaped the benefits of seeing a miracle, or coming to be at peace with God's will. Never did the latter hinder my walk. So here is my question, when we read that Jesus could not or did not heal because of lack of faith. Or when he uses the term you of little faith , what does it really mean. I cannot for the life of me see God refuse or deny or better yet could not do due to a little or lack of faith. The almighty is just that all mighty. Paul certainly had faith. Since when did God need us to do his will.
Could the term be describing something more than the obvious? I heard a teacher say that the term ye of little faith was to say ....why do you live like there is no God? Dunno.....The Lord delivered me from cancer but not without treatment (when the doctors are amazed at the success you know it's the Lord) lol.
Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.....yet God can restore a child that was of a Roman officers. At the pool Jesus asked the man if he wanted to be healed not that he was going about it the wrong way.....did the man know who he was talking to?

I find this a great mystery ......and leave it to God's will be done....so what about a lack of faith how can it hinder the almighty? I had faith like the officer did not saying God should of because of that. I still walk in expectation and do not believe the gifts were for then but as I said before I serve a never changing God and don't consider it a gift just a part of my commission from the Lord.


Will get back to this later...thanks saints
there has been age old question in scripture since sin and death came to mankind

“ why do the righteous die and the evil prosper in the world ?” Why are the righteous and innocent taken from the earth ?

brother, when we part this world it’s only sad for those who miss us left in this world , because when we leave this world we go to the lord our creator and Father

faith comes by hearing the word of God hearing meaning deeper than our ears but letting it fuse to our heart and mind and soul

I don’t know why healing doesn’t work when we want it to but often God is calling people home to spare them from suffering or evil that will ensnare them later . This world is temporary when we leave it we’re leaving this world

“And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and entering a place beyond the shadow of death where it cannot touch us again.

it’s not a lack of faith but healing and miracles are gifted to certain people while others receive other gifts

“And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭12:28-31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It may be that you have those gifts or will have them as you seek them. When we come together as a church we have all we need but each of us lacks when we stand alone because we have different gifts and services in Christ

I don’t think you lack faith hearing your words since I’ve been here . Sometimes God is calling someone home out of this dark place and into his loving light and we wouldn’t want to hold them back

sorry for the length , and I realize it doesn’t answer your question I just felt there was some value God bless and comfort you and build upon your faith more and more
 

JohnDB

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Faith is doing...
It isn't just a verbal or mentally hyper believing in the impossible.

It's that action of behaving in a fashion that demonstrates you are expecting a result.

Which includes: following what God has said, talking to God in prayer like He is hanging on every word, and conducting yourself in a worthy but humble fashion.

I paid money for a toaster. I plugged it into the wall outlet. I put slices of bread into it. I got butter, jam, and a butter knife out... because I expected to have hot, toasted bread afterwards.

That doesn't mean that I would...but I expected it to happen.

Now in times past we seen Jesus and his apostles performing all sorts of miracles. Not a one of those were actually dependent on the faith of recipient of those miracles except that they showed up to receive them.

However, today the "miracle worker" blames the recipient every time. As if it's their fault.
I got a feeling that these "miracle workers" got some "splainin" to do when they meet Jesus. (Simony has a horrible price tag associated with it)

These days it's a joke...it's a cause for the whole world to laugh at Christians for their beliefs because nobody is healed. Or if they are it's something that usually goes away on its own.

It's like those who supposedly speak in tongues... like that sort of thing is relevant to anyone anywhere at anytime other than the one speaking in tongues. It serves no other purpose.
There ain't much difference between "Christian Miracles" and a flea circus with trained fleas these days.

HOWEVER...

That is not to say that I am serving a powerless God. Quite the contrary. God is omnipotent. And some people are in a desperate need of learning to respect/fear that.
 

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I just can't see God saying " I'm able but your not so live with it or die because of it" but I can accept his will to be done. Maybe it's me maybe I'm wrong but this has bothered me for quite a while.
However, today the "miracle worker" blames the recipient every time. As if it's their fault.
I got a feeling that these "miracle workers" got some "splainin" to do when they meet Jesus.
Precious friends, this may or may not be helpful - just a study of Rightly
Divided Dispensations, and "What God Has For us" Today, Under GRACE. Please
Be Very Richly Encouraged / Comforted In "The Power" Of JESUS CHRIST!:

Distinctions in God's TWO Different Programs: Prophecy vs MYSTERY!

GRACE Word for our infirmities:

God's ALL-Sufficient GRACE in infirmities

Grace And Peace to All Precious friend(s), Dear readers,
and, diligent students of God's Holy Word! Praying Hopefully
The Following Scriptures Will Bring God's "Peace, Hope, And
Comfort" into your life in This Current Dispensation Of The
Amazing GRACE Of A Wonderful God!:


(1) In That GRACE, God, In HIS Omniscience, Had Already
Chosen HIS Own In CHRIST, And Already Knew What
"infirmities, trouble, trials, afflictions, sufferings, And
persecutions we would go through,” And, Thank HIM, HE
"Promised" HE Will Never Give us more testing than
we can handle. (
Ephesians_1:4; 1_Corinthians_10:13 KJB!)
Amen?

(2) Please, Precious friend(s):
Thank God IN {easy}, And, Also, FOR {Difficult?}, ALL things!
(
1_Thessalonians_5:18; Ephesians_5:20 KJB!)

(3) After Paul (our #"pattern"# for Today!), prayed 3 times
for his affliction, the "Answer he Received," According To The
Scriptures, Was:


"And HE {CHRIST} Said Unto me, MY GRACE Is Sufficient For
thee: For MY Strength Is Made Perfect in weakness. Most gladly
therefore will I rather glory {cp} in my infirmities, that The
Power Of CHRIST May Rest Upon me
!"
(
2_Corinthians_12:9 KJB!) {cp 2_Corinthians_11:23-30 KJB!}

(4) "For our light affliction, which Is But For A Moment, worketh
for us a Far More Exceeding And Eternal weight of glory;
While
we look Not at the things which are seen, but at the things
Which Are Not Seen:
for the things which are seen [are]
temporal; but the things Which Are Not Seen Are Eternal!"
(
2_Corinthians_4:17-18 KJB!)

(5) "For I reckon that The Sufferings of this PRESENT Time
are not worthy to be compared with The Glory which shall be
revealed in us. For the earnest EXPECTation of the creature
WAITeth for the manifestation of the sons of God...


...ourselves also, which have The Firstfruits Of The Spirit,
even we ourselves groan within ourselves, WAITING for
The Adoption, to wit, The Redemption Of our body!"
(
Romans_8:18, 19, 23 KJB!) Blessed Hope! Amen?

(6) "Therefore being justified by faith, we have Peace with
God through our LORD JESUS CHRIST: By Whom also we
have access by faith into This GRACE Wherein we stand,
and rejoice in Hope of The Glory of God.


And not only so, but we glory {cp} in tribulations also: knowing
that tribulation worketh patience; And patience, experience;
and experience, Hope: And Hope maketh not ashamed; because
The Love Of God Is Shed Abroad in our hearts By The Holy Ghost
Which Is Given Unto us!"
(
Romans_5:1-5 KJB!) {cp 2_Corinthians_11:23-30 KJB!}

(7!) ”And HE That Searcheth the hearts Knoweth What Is The
Mind Of The Spirit, Because HE Maketh Intercession for the
saints According To The Will Of God. Likewise The Spirit Also
Helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray
for as we ought: But The Spirit Itself Maketh Intercession
For us with groanings which cannot be uttered!”
(
Romans_8:27-28 KJB!)

(8!) "Blessed Be God, Even The Father Of our LORD JESUS CHRIST,
The Father Of Mercies, And The God of ALL Comfort; Who Comforteth
us in All our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which
are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves Are
Comforted Of God!" (
2_Corinthians_1:3-4 KJB!)

(9!) Please, always be “watching, Patiently waiting And Looking For”
That Blessed HOPE, The Imminent Return Of our LORD To Take us
Home To HEAVEN, In GLORIFICATION!
{Thus, ENDING ALL of our
"infirmities, trouble, trials, afflictions, sufferings, And persecutions!”}
(
Ephesians_6:18; 1_Corinthians_15:51-57; 2_Corinthians_5:1-9;
2_Thessalonians_4:13-18 KJB!) = WONDERFUL Comfort! Amen?

(10) ”And we know That All things Work Together For Good To
them that love God, to them who Are The Called According To
HIS Purpose!” (
Romans_8:28 KJB!)

(11a) Please memorize 2 Timothy_4:8 KJB!:

"Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness,
which The LORD, The Righteous Judge, Shall Give me At That Day:
and not to me only, but unto all them also that love HIS Appearing!"


(11b) Please Prayerfully/Carefully study 1_Corinthians_3:8-15 KJB!,
And "know" that, At "That Day {The JUDGMENT Seat}” Of CHRIST,
In HEAVEN, ALL "good works of preaching The Gospel of GRACE,
studying The Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided, and, loving/helping others"
WILL Surely Be "rewarded As gold, silver, And precious stones!"

Amen?

(12) For ALL those who humbly:
Trust CHRIST As their Personal SAVIOUR, The Bible Says:

a): “For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of
power, and of love, and of a sound mind.”
(
2_Timothy_1:7 KJB!)

b): “Be careful [anxious] for nothing; but in every thing by
prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests
be made known unto God. And the PEACE Of God, Which Passeth
all understanding, Shall Keep your hearts and minds through
CHRIST JESUS.


Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are True, whatsoever
things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever
things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever
things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there
be any praise, think on these things.”
(
Philippians_4:6-8 KJB!)

c): # “Those things, which ye have both learned, and
received, and heard, and seen in me, [Paul!] do: # And
The God Of PEACE Shall Be With you.”
(
Philippians_4:9 KJB!)

Conclusion, for ALL of the “just who live BY FAITH” {NOT feelings…}:

"For unto you It Is Given in the Behalf Of CHRIST, not only
to believe on HIM, But Also to suffer for HIS Sake"
(
Philippians_1:29 KJB!)
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Again, ALL Precious friends, hope these "helped with your seeking" & please:
Always Be VERY Richly Comforted In The LORD And Saviour, JESUS CHRIST!
 
Feb 24, 2022
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Precious friends, this may or may not be helpful - just a study of Rightly
Divided Dispensations, and "What God Has For us" Today, Under GRACE. Please
Be Very Richly Encouraged / Comforted In "The Power" Of JESUS CHRIST!:
Man, I hate this heresy. There's no "dispensations". God was, is and always will be the same God, His character has never changed. The only thing changed is His people, from nobody to Abraham to Israel and to all nations on earth.