Love and the Law

Grace777x70 · Feb 22, 2017

I think Jesus was the greatest grace teacher as well as the greatest law preacher.

Jesus gave the law of Moses 2.0 on steroids to those that thought they could live by the law of Moses for life and righteousness and thus expose their need for a Savior.

Jesus also gave grace to those that knew they needed a Savior and to them He gave pure grace with it's empowerments to live by Him alone.

People often say to those that speak of the grace of God and that they are not under the law of Moses anymore that they believe they are without "laws" now.

We do have laws in the New Covenant. They are exciting laws that bring life and wholeness to us all - because these are all Christ Himself in us.

There is no greater revelation than to know Him and the Father and to plumb the depths of their love and grace towards us which Paul says in Eph. 2:7 - the Father will be doing for all the ages to come to us.

Ephesians 2:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.

Jesus fulfilled the law. The law was a mere shadow of the real thing which was Jesus.

Read the law to see Jesus in it and to know that Jesus did that for us and His life in us now leads us in all things. Those who are led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God.

We now live by:

1) The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. ( Romans 8:2 )

2) The law of love ( Romans 13:10 James 2:8 )

3) The law of faith ( Romans 3:27 and the law of Moses is NOT of faith - Gal. 3:12 )

4) The law of liberty ( James 1:25 )

5) The law of Christ - which is Christ Himself in us. ( Gal. 6:2 )

We can trust the Holy Spirit in us to lead us in all affairs of life. We don't go back to the law of Moses that were a shadow of the real thing which is Christ in us.. Jesus is more then enough.

Yes...we glory in the laws that we have in the New Covenant because they are all Christ Himself living in and through us. ( Gal.2:20 and Col. 3:3 )

Get this wrong and we create a religion which really nullifies the grace of God from operating in our lives like it was meant to.

Galatians 5:22-23 (NASB)

[SUP]22 [/SUP] But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,

[SUP]23 [/SUP] gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

Hizikyah · Feb 22, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

Paul wrote all these:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Corinthians 7:19, "For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of God?"[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means!How can we who died to sin still live in it?"[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7:7, Shall we therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 24:14, "But I confess this to you, that after the way which they call heresy--so I worship the Father of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7:25, "Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 21:24, "Take them, and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads. Then everyone will know that those things they were informed about you (forsaking the Law), were lies, and that you, yourself, walk orderly, and keep the Law."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7:12, "Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Ephesians 6:2-3, "Honor your father and mother; which is the first commandment with a promise: That it may be well with you, and you may live long on the earth."

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Grace777x70 said:

Paul is the only writer that we are warned of by name, that we may misunderstand his writings unto lawlessness:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 peter 3:15-17, "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability."[/FONT]

FreeNChrist · Feb 22, 2017

Hizikyah said:

Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahanan, saw the holy city, YHWH Shammah, coming down from YHWH out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of YHWH is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and YHWH Himself will be with them, and be their Father.”

It is the Law of YHWH, given through Moses...

Malakyah 4:1-4, “For look, the day shall come, burning like a furnace, and all the proud, and every wrongdoer shall be stubble. And the day that shall come shall burn them up,” said יהוה of hosts, “which leaves to them neither root nor branch. But to you who fear My Name the Sun of Righteousness shall arise with healing in His wings. And you shall go out and leap for joy like calves from the stall. And you shall trample the wrongdoers, for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day that I do this,” said יהוה of hosts. Remember the Torah of Mosheh, My servant, which I commanded him in Ḥorĕḇ for all Yisra’ĕl – laws and right-rulings.”

With the eternal priesthood after the order of the malak zadiq...

Hebrews 4:1-15, "Seeing then that we have a great High Priest Who has ascended into the heavens: Yahshua the Son of YHWH, let us hold fast our profession. For we do not have a High Priest Who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all ways tempted as we are--yet was without sin."

Hebrews 9:11-12, "But the Messiah came near as a High Priest over the righteous things to come, with the great and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation; Nor through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once, for all, having obtained eternal redemption."

Yah does not change, and He knows the end from the beginning...

Psalm 89:26-37, "He will call out to Me; You are my Father, O YHWH! You are the Rock of my salvation! And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish his Seed forever, and his throne will be as the days of heaven. Should his children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what that has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness--I cannot lie, and I say to David: His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky."

for it is written in the final revelation, from the word of Yahshua to John:

Revelation 12:17, “And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to fight with the remnant of her seed, those guarding the commands of Yah and possessing the witness of יהושעMessiah."

Revelation 14:12, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the commands of Yah and the belief of יהושע.”

Isayah 8:20, "To the Law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."

"For when the priesthood is changed, the Law must be changed also." Hebrews 7:12

Hizikyah · Feb 22, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

I agreee with this 100%

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 7:16-17, "Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching, whether it comes from YHWH, or whether I am speaking of My own authority."

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 6:46, "And why call Me; Ruler! Ruler! and do not the things which I say?"[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 4:25-26, "The woman said to Him; I know that the Messiah comes, and when He comes, He will tell us all things. Yahshua said to her: I am He speaking to you."[/FONT]

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Hizikyah · Feb 22, 2017

FreeNChrist said:

Yes sir, no more Levites, nowYahshua/Jesus is the high Priest...

I think do not steal is the same still....

baby and the bath water...

FreeNChrist · Feb 22, 2017

Hizikyah said:

And the Law had to be changed.........

Grace777x70 · Feb 22, 2017

The true Christian life is lived by grace through faith only - nothing to do with the law of Moses. As we have received Christ - we are to walk in Him and all that He has done.

Colossians 2:6-7 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Therefore as you have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him,

[SUP]7 [/SUP] having been firmly rooted and now being built up in Him and established in your faith, just as you were instructed, and overflowing with gratitude.

Real Christians have died on the cross with Christ and rose again at His resurrection to serve God in newness of life and not in the oldness of the letter.

If anyone comes with the message that "You must now follow the law of Moses as in observing the Sabbath or feasts days - if you do not - then you are dis-obeying God and sinning."....

..if you hear this - run from it because it is an anti-Christ belief system just like the Judaizers that came in to the Galatians and tried to get them to follow the law of Moses only their route was by circumcision. Some do it by eating certain foods only which is a sign of the those falling away from the faith ( 1 Tim. 4:1-5 )

Paul said that he did not stand for the Judaizers message for one hour so that the truth would remain with them. Gal. 2:5

Galatians 2:5 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But we did not yield in subjection to them for even an hour, so that the truth of the gospel would remain with you.

Grace777x70 · Feb 22, 2017

Question: "Who were the Judaizers?"

Answer: There have always been those who balk at the idea of God’s salvation being offered freely to those who believe. They reason that such a grand gift as forgiveness from such a holy God must require some kind of payment from us. We thank God for His grace, but we understand that He expects us to somehow earn that grace—in other words, there must be something that we can do to pay off the debt we owe to God.

In the early church, those who taught a combination of God’s grace and human effort were called “Judaizers.” The word Judaizer comes from a Greek verb meaning “to live according to Jewish customs.” The word appears in Galatians 2:14 where Paul describes how he confronted Peter for forcing Gentile Christians to “Judaize.”

A Judaizer taught that, in order for a Christian to truly be right with God, he must conform to the Mosaic Law. Circumcision, especially, was promoted as necessary for salvation. Gentiles had to become Jewish proselytes first, and then they could come to Christ.

The doctrine of the Judaizers was a mixture of grace (through Christ) and works (through the keeping of the Law). This false doctrine was dealt with in Acts 15 and strongly condemned in the book of Galatians.

At the Jerusalem Council in Acts 15, a group of Judaizers opposed Paul and Barnabas. Some men who belonged to the party of the Pharisees insisted that Gentiles could not be saved unless they were first circumcised and obeyed the Law of Moses.

Paul made the case that, in Christ, there was no longer any distinction between Jew and Gentile, for God had purified the hearts of the Gentiles by faith (Acts 15:8–9). He said it plainly in Galatians 2:16: “A man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.”

To add anything to the work that Christ did for salvation is to negate God’s grace. We are saved by grace alone, through faith alone, not by returning to the Law. “I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing” (Galatians 2:21).

There are many groups today with beliefs/practices very similar to the Judaizers of the New Testament. The two most prominent would be the Hebrew Roots Movement and the Roman Catholic Church. The teachings of the Hebrew Roots Movement are virtually identical to those of the Judaizers whom Paul rebuked in Galatians. A primary focus of the Hebrew Roots Movement is to put followers of Christ back under the bondage of the Old Testament Law.

The Roman Catholic Church teaches a doctrine similar to that of the Judaizers of the New Testament in this way: its doctrine is a mixture of law and grace. At the Council of Trent in the 16th century, the Catholic Church explicitly denied the idea of salvation by faith alone.

Catholics have always held that certain sacraments are necessary for salvation. The issues for the 1st-century Judaizers were circumcision and Sabbath-keeping. The issues for modern-day Catholics are baptism, confession, etc. The works considered necessary may have changed, but both Judaizers and Catholics attempt to merit God’s grace through the performance of ritualistic acts.

First Timothy 4:3 says that, in later times, false teachers will “forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth.” This sounds suspiciously close to some of the teachings of Roman Catholicism, which requires priests to be celibate (“forbidding to marry”) and proclaims some food to be off-limits during Lent (“abstaining from certain foods”).

The Judaizers upheld the Mosaic Law as necessary for salvation; Catholics uphold man-made tradition as necessary; both view Christ’s death as being insufficient without the active and continued cooperation of the one being saved.

The Bible is clear that the attempt to add human works to God’s grace overlooks the very meaning of grace, which is “undeserved blessing.” As Paul says, “If by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace” (Romans 11:6). Praise the Lord, “Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery” (Galatians 5:1).

https://gotquestions.org/Judaizers.html

I do not look at all Hebrew Roots adherents as all the same. As I have said before - there are many that are of authentic Jewish descent and they like their traditions but they do not say that others need to observe the Sabbath or feasts as in the law of Moses or you are dis-obeying God and sinning. They observe these things to see Christ as the fulfillment of them - not as something they "need" to do now.

This group has excellent teaching son how Christ has fulfilled the Law and show Christ in every part of the Old Testament. Jesus said that all the scriptures speak about Him.

This group of believers are a major blessing to us in the body of Christ and are not Judaizers such as Paul encountered and that are also in the extreme sects of Hebrew Roots that say believers in Christ must "observe the Sabbath and the feasts like in the law of Moses - or they are dis-obeying God and sinning".

Those - run away from as fast as you can! - but do not put all Hebrew Roots people I the same boat as the extreme sects because they are not the same.

Hizikyah · Feb 22, 2017

Only one way;

John/Yahanan 14:6, "Yahshua proclaimed to him: I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father, except through Me."

John/Yahanan 7:16-17, "Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching, whether it comes from YHWH, or whether I am speaking of My own authority."

Mat 5:18-19, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh – the smallest of the letters – will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected. Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of YHWH; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of YHWH."

Mat 22:36-40, "Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the Law? Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might (Deuteronomy 6:5). This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself (Leviticus 19:18). On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Mat 7:12-14, "Therefore, all things you want men to do to you, do the same to them, for this is (the intent of the) Law and the Prophets. Enter in through the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many are those who go that way. Because straight is the gate, and narrow is the way which leads to life, and few there are who find it."

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Proverbs 6:23, "For the command is a lamp, And the Torah a light, And reproofs of discipline a way of life."[/FONT]

John/Yahanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

followjesus · Feb 22, 2017

Hizikyah said:

Thats a great point about Paul, The thing is with Paul, we first have to accept the gospel, and then He makes Great sense. He wasnt teaching different principles in any way from Jesus, He wrote differently in my own estimation because He is the only roman citizen among the apostles, which means He would have been more educated in writing and Was part of a different culture. He was a duel citizen of rome of the gentiles and the nation of isreal. cultures express the same things, differently. Peter couldnt write in Greek, which is why mark wrote His gospel. Paul was obviously to anyone who reads His writing, educated differently. His writings are expressed differently from all the apostles and prophets. He consistantly made the point in His own writings that guarded against distortions into a lawless gospel which is no gospel at all.

He always made very clear repentance and obedience to Jesus Christ. the issue is the popular " best selling authors" who feed the world a few verses from paul, and distort it into a message that omits all of the obedience, repentance principles He was so very clear about. he people who grab these distortions, refuse to believe anything but what they are fed because to a sinful human it sounds better if " i dont need to change, its effortless, my sinful actions no longer count, God can no longer see my sins..." like the old times People are perishing from lack of Knowledge, and Just as false prophets led people away from the Law of moses and claimed " God will never keep all His words of punishment were chosen" false teachers do the same today leading people away from the gospel of salvation. sinners which all of us are or were at some point in our lives, are "Just being themselves" the thought that I have to stop sinning and learn to follow Gods ways, simply because He is God almighty and is right in every aspect of His commandments, doesnt appeal to many, but those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, who want to live lives pleasing to God the Father, those people will hear and accept Jesus call to repentance and obedience unto salvation, Because Jesus came to speak the truth From God to the world.

SCHISM · Feb 22, 2017

Genesis 1, Elohim created the heavens and the earth and everything was good and Elohim rested on the seventh day.

Genesis 2, Yahweh, one of the Elohim, prepared the garden of Eden and put the tree of knowledge therein. Yahweh also took part of man and formed woman, after Elohim had already made man both male and female in Genesis 1.

Eve, that woman formed from Yahweh, convinced man to use the fruit from the tree of knowledge that Yahweh had placed in Eden.

So, everything was good then Yahweh came down to tempt mankind, and mankind did eat the fruit that Yahweh provided.

It is recorded that Abraham named locations after Yahweh, and afterward God Almighty said that Abraham did not know him by the name Yahweh. So the record appears to be corrupted.

Moses fasted in the wilderness for 40 days and was met by Yahweh. Jesus fasted in the wilderness for 40 days and was met by Satan.

What is the reward to keep the law of Moses/Yahweh, except for earthly things? The land, the spoils, the harvest in due season. Earthly treasures were the promises of the covenant with Yahweh.

Satan even tempted Jesus by offering him all the kingdoms of the earth. Many say that the name Yahushua means Yahweh Saves, given the root words of Jesus' name. Perhaps it really means that he will Save his people from Yahweh.

Some weird stuff for sure.

followjesus · Feb 22, 2017

Hizikyah said:

Only one way;

John/Yahanan 14:6, "Yahshua proclaimed to him: I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father, except through Me."

John/Yahanan 7:16-17, "Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching, whether it comes from YHWH, or whether I am speaking of My own authority."

Mat 5:18-19, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh – the smallest of the letters – will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected. Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of YHWH; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of YHWH."

Mat 22:36-40, "Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the Law? Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might (Deuteronomy 6:5). This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself (Leviticus 19:18). On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Mat 7:12-14, "Therefore, all things you want men to do to you, do the same to them, for this is (the intent of the) Law and the Prophets. Enter in through the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many are those who go that way. Because straight is the gate, and narrow is the way which leads to life, and few there are who find it."

Proverbs 6:23, "For the command is a lamp, And the Torah a light, And reproofs of discipline a way of life."

John/Yahanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

your posts are always so full of great scripture and truth to people who will consider, God bless !!

Grace777x70 · Feb 22, 2017

Legalism - in the biblical sense of the word - is any attitude or belief that human merit can produce, prove, or preserve for one-self an acceptable standing before God. This includes the keeping of the law of Moses.

Whenever our assurance of salvation rests upon our "performance" rather then upon the "promises" of God that are Yes and Amen in Christ - we are in big trouble - we have fallen from grace to rely on our own self-effort so grace does not flow to us.

Obedience in the New Covenant:

In loving God and others as Jesus says is the greatest commandment in the law in relation to obedience.

Obedience to me is a fruit of the life of Christ in our inner man. It is not the root. It's the love of God and the life of Christ manifesting Himself in and through us to a hurt and dying world and to our fellow brethren.

It is not necessarily something "we do to be" but stems from something we "already are now" in Him and so we "do love" as we grow in our awareness of His love for us.

We obey our Lord and Father because we know Him and trust in His character and obedience is not a set of rules that we follow, but a natural flow of the life of God in us built on a love-trust relationship. When you know the love of God for us we will obey Him naturally and effortlessly.

When our minds are renewed to the truth that is in Christ - we obey from our hearts effortlessly. It's a fruit of being in Christ.

I maintain that obedience is a fruit of the life of Christ in our inner man that is created in Christ. When we teach the grace of God this enables us to bear His fruit in and through us to reflect the true kingdom of the love and grace of God to a hurt and dying world.

Teach and preach who believers are in Christ because we are in union in one spirit with the Lord Jesus and they will "awake to righteousness" that is in them because they are a new creation in Him and sin not and walk in the good works that God has prepared for them.

It's time to repent of legalism and believe the gospel. Mark 1:15

JGIG · Feb 22, 2017

[video=youtube;7-anAw0ylqY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-anAw0ylqY[/video]

THE GOD WHO RESCUED ME
words and music by Buddy Greene

Now, I was a sailor and a reckless sort, and
I sailed my ship into countless ports
Looking for a good time, chasin' after thrills
Lovin' wine and women and my foolish will

Till I wound up shipwrecked, undone
Blind and beaten by the deeds I'd done
I cried out, "Lord, have mercy on me,
Can you help this blind man see?"

Then my eyes were opened and I saw my chains
And I heard a sweet voice calling my name
The chains were loosed as I fell to my knees,
for God had rescued me

Chorus:
Now I raise my song to the Holy One
To the Father of Love and His only Son
To the Spirit of Life - the Three-in-One -
The God who rescued me
And, for all my days and in all my ways
May I live my life givin' all of the praise
To the one and only everlasting Love,
The God who rescued me

Then I became a preacher, and I knew my stuff
And I thought my preaching made me good enough.
Till I met a sinner and he was saved by grace
While I was patting my back, he was on his face.

How quickly I had fallen away
From unconditional love and grace
And traded a son's for an orphan's place
And my self righteous ways
Then I saw my rags when I saw His cross
And by His grace I counted His cost
And all my gains I counted but loss for God had rescued me

followjesus · Feb 23, 2017

SCHISM said:

"What is the reward to keep the law of Moses/Yahweh, except for earthly things? The land, the spoils, the harvest in due season. Earthly treasures were the promises of the covenant with Yahweh."

exactly. the law never promised anything beyond tis earth, it promoised Long life, blessings in season, victory over enemies, deliverance for the people. The gospel promises far exceed anything that can be gained in the Law, when this earth is compared to eternity it becomes a pebble on an endless beach, while eternity is the beach, the ocean, the sunset, the sunrise...every reward of the Law ends, Just Like the curses in the Law end at death.....Jesus came for what is beyond that viel, eternity and what is more is while the law promises blessings on earth, the gospel assures persecution, sufferings while on earth, yet what is promised by the unfailing Word of God far outwieghs whatever persecution we can face here, whatever we are called to give up for the name of Jesus Christ, whatever we are excluded from for His names sake, how ever many insults or pain, loneliness we experience has an end, and perseverance promises That the rewards will exceed anything we can imagine or concieve in us.

JaumeJ · Feb 23, 2017

Jesus Christ fulfills all of the law.

Think about it. Learn of Jesus Christ.

He came to fulfill the law and the prophets.

He has fulfilled the prophets concerning His coming.

He fulfills all of the law's of the priesthood and acrifice by His very being here to give us the Gospel and die for us all.

He is the High Priest.

He fulfills the laws we are to individually follow by His Blood giving all who believ grace to live in and pardon when we break on of those laws...sin.

Think about this, if we have the law in ourinward parts and written within, we do have something we are expected to obey, though we still need grace because only Jesus Christ was perfect, and perfect for me and you.

He did not lie when H said He did not come to abolish the law, but He certainly completed it for us all who believe Him.

Now if you say we live by the Law of Jesus Christ, please hear Him and do as He teaches.

Many, desperate for a life of no good works will readily quote the OT about the law being written on our inward parts and put in our hearts but when it comes to mentiong obeying those laws within, they scoof.

There is nothing wrong with obeying the Lord, Jesus Christ Who is the Father and teh Holy Spirit, but there is plenty wrong with disobeying Him because He died on the cross, that is habitually .

FreeNChrist · Feb 23, 2017

SCHISM said:

Genesis 1, Elohim created the heavens and the earth and everything was good and Elohim rested on the seventh day.

Genesis 2, Yahweh, one of the Elohim, prepared the garden of Eden and put the tree of knowledge therein. Yahweh also took part of man and formed woman, after Elohim had already made man both male and female in Genesis 1.

Eve, that woman formed from Yahweh, convinced man to use the fruit from the tree of knowledge that Yahweh had placed in Eden.

So, everything was good then Yahweh came down to tempt mankind, and mankind did eat the fruit that Yahweh provided.

It is recorded that Abraham named locations after Yahweh, and afterward God Almighty said that Abraham did not know him by the name Yahweh. So the record appears to be corrupted.

Moses fasted in the wilderness for 40 days and was met by Yahweh. Jesus fasted in the wilderness for 40 days and was met by Satan.

What is the reward to keep the law of Moses/Yahweh, except for earthly things? The land, the spoils, the harvest in due season. Earthly treasures were the promises of the covenant with Yahweh.

Satan even tempted Jesus by offering him all the kingdoms of the earth. Many say that the name Yahushua means Yahweh Saves, given the root words of Jesus' name. Perhaps it really means that he will Save his people from Yahweh.

Some weird stuff for sure.

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James 1:13 - "Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God,” for God cannot be tempted with evil, and He himself tempts no one."

SCHISM · Feb 27, 2017

FreeNChrist said:

Matthew 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: 13:25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

Genesis 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

Genesis 2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed. 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Everything God created was very good, and he rested on the seventh day. And the LORD God planted a garden with the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

James 1:13 clearly indicates that God tempts no man. But the LORD God placed that temptation in Eden.

FreeNChrist · Feb 27, 2017

SCHISM said:

Matthew 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: 13:25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

Genesis 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

Genesis 2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed. 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Everything God created was very good, and he rested on the seventh day. And the LORD God planted a garden with the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

James 1:13 clearly indicates that God tempts no man. But the LORD God placed that temptation in Eden.

Glad to see you have come around to the truth on that matter. Almost. God gave Adam and Eve a choice. It was the devil who used that choice to tempt them. He is the Tempter, not God.

SCHISM · Feb 27, 2017

FreeNChrist said:

The point I was trying to make is that God created a perfect heaven and earth, then the LORD God put the tree of temptation in the garden, and God who created the heaven and the earth is not the same as the LORD God who placed temptation before the man.

This explains why Abraham named several places after the LORD, then after God says to Jacob that Abraham didn't know him by that name. There are different gods visiting the humans.

Of the Elohim, the LORD lead the Israelites out of Egypt and did magnify himself as the One True God. He caused them to make a throne of gold and to sacrifice animals, and He promised them good land and longevity and a life of abundance.

When Jesus taught how to pray, why did he not give the Father a name or use the name prescribed in Deuteronomy 32:3? Is it not written that Adam gave names to every beast of the field?

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

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