Love Wins - Rob Bell

1still_waters · Mar 16, 2011

Also, all the time SOME have spent reading/viewing/listening to others thoughts on this book, that time could have been spent actually reading the BOOK, so they would have the most informed opinion as is possible so they can engage in the heavy lifting of seeing if this guy is really a true or false teacher or even a heretic.

Credo_ut_Intelligam · Mar 16, 2011

I don't think anyone has said that the *most* informed view of someone or something comes by second hand knowledge. But it seems obvious that true and accurate and sufficient knowledge can be acquired through second hand knowledge. All books assume that this is the case, including Rob Bell's book.

Again, I just don't think this works. This simply isn't how we normally operate and it's not clear why this instance should be the exception. Condemning Hitler as a moral monster is "heavy lifting." But no one suggests we need to read Mein Kampf and any personal letters and documents by Hitler before arriving at that conclusion. Condemning Gnosticism or Arianism as heresy is "heavy lifting." But, again, no one suggests we need to read all the gnostic works and whatever we can find by Arius before we come to our conclusion.

Obviously I wouldn't discourage anyone who wanted to do that. If you want to read Mein Kampf and the Gnostic Gospels I won't object. I'm sure they could acquire a greater grasp on what Hitler's views were. But I'm also confident that this won't have any substantive effect on their view of Hitler prior to reading Mein Kampf. What I am discouraging is a (I think) misplaced skepticism in persons' abilities or motives to report what a book is about.

1still_waters · Mar 16, 2011

Credo_ut_Intelligam said:

I hear what you're saying. Valid points.

Just to me, because of the nature of things in discussions like these, I really, really feel strongly that this is severe heavy lifting here. I know that some folks make a living off of declaring people false teachers and heretics. They NEED these false types to exist or they wouldn't get hits to their blog or site or videos or other media content.

Because we're making judgments/conclusions of eternal, significant, weight, I feel it's BEST for someone to at least read the entire book or work they are going to critique.

Reading other folks findings is a valid supplement, but to just read the supplement and then go about the task of declaring someone a false teacher/heretic based off of this, well it seems so open to error.

Because what happens is, someone reads another persons' perspective, then goes on to spread that message as if it's truth. And you know, in many circumstances the message they are parroting may be the TRUTH!

BUT!

In some cases it may NOT be the truth. If it happens to not be the truth, then the message one parrots based on someone else's findings could result in someone else being slandered badly and badly misrepresented.

So how does one guard against becoming such a person who could possibly misrepresent another human created in God's image? They could guard against it by taking the time to do the heavy lifting and making sure their supplement lines up with the actual source.

Again this isn't as simple as declaring Hitler evil. Hitler was easy. We see the concentration camps. That's apples. Reading the entirety and complexity of someone else's theological work is oranges. Oranges that happen to have eternal and weighty consequences. So weighty that one must make sure they're telling the whole, most informed and valid truthful message.

1still_waters · Mar 16, 2011

Credo another thing along the lines of believing the findings of our teachers on things of history like Hitler, Lincoln, wars and the like. For things in the past, those events and people were ran through the filter of time and through the filter of many, many, many others critiquing and finding consensus. So in a sense taking someone's word for it on a 'historical' thing IS more trustworthy.

But taking someone else's word for something on something more immediate and current, well the thing they're discussing hasn't been ran through the filter of time and the findings of many critics and the like.

So given this difference, it's all the more important to really investigate the source for itself. Because the findings of the past have indeed been tried and tested by time and the opinions of others. But the findings of more current and modern things haven't been tested as harshly. So they should be subject to more rigor.

1still_waters · Mar 16, 2011

Just finished chapter 3 on hell..................

The way the chapter ends, I feel like I should be doing a review of chapter 3 and 4 together. Eh. oh well.

In chapter 2, Bell showed that in a very limited sense we experience heaven on earth now after receiving Jesus. The experience is through the transformative process of being freed from our sins. In 3 when discussing hell, Bell seems to really take liberty with the 'nowness' of hell. He seems to be saying that Hell is experienced NOW on Earth when we make choices contrary to God. He points out the pain a rape victim feels. Those feelings are surely hell like.

Then he spends more time in this chapter trying to show that punishment throughout the Bible was never 'forever'. It was rather for a limited time period meant for the correction of people.

I hope he's not going where I think he's going.

If he doesn't build off of what I see in chapter 3 I'll be really, really concerned. As of right now it looks like he's angling toward hell being more about our extreme pain on Earth now. As of now it looks like he's angling toward 'punishment' not being eternal, but rather limited and corrective in relation to eternity.

If that's where he is going, then there ARE major issues. I shall see. On to chapter 4.

1still_waters · Mar 16, 2011

I'm well in to chapter 4. Not finished, but well in to it.

He seems to be going where I figured he was going.

Seems to be arguing that there are many streams of thought in the Christian tradition regarding where we go after we die. One stream says you can only choose in this life and that's your only chance. Another stream of thought says you have chances after you die and God will continue to work on you.

He puts this diversity of thought on heaven and hell on the same level as methods of baptism or if the communion bread and wine really become the body and blood of Jesus.

Unless Mr. Bell changes his tone later in this book, I'm going to have to declare this a severe false teaching.

This isn't a non-essential teaching here!

I shall continue reading.

trust_in_the_name · Mar 16, 2011

1still_waters said:

I've never really understood where people get this idea of essential and non-essential doctrines. At least, in my own reading of scripture I haven't found it anywhere. But I do find plenty of places where it stresses the importance of of scripture as a whole.

1still_waters · Mar 16, 2011

trust_in_the_name said:

Non-essentials....doctrines not essential to salvation....
*Modes of baptism...dunking..sprinkling...dunk three times or once.....in Jesus name like Acts or in name of Father Son Holy Spirit like we see in the Gospel?

Communion.......Does the bread and wine literally become the body and blood of christ or not?

end times theories.... Is the rapture post, mid, pre trib or something else?

Essentials.......

The bible is God's word
Jesus is the only way to salvation..
We're called to live a righteous life

That's a very short list. It's not exhaustive. My point is to give some clues on the difference between essentials and non essentials My point isn't to give an all inclusive list. In other words if stuff is missing don't get in a twist. Because my intent wasn't to make a complete list.

1still_waters · Mar 17, 2011

Just finished the end of four and all of five.

He asks the question does God get what God wants, which is the salvation of all. The he asks another question. Do people get what people want. He asks this because love demands humans have free will and are not robots. His point isn't that God forces folks in to heaven, so if they want to cling to their sin and darkness, they can. But if they want to go to 'heaven' they can.

In 5 he seems to be saying that EVERYONE will be saved because of certain scriptures that say the gospel is for the restoration of all creation and everyone. But this process may happen in many even after they die.....

On to chapter 6...

1still_waters · Mar 17, 2011

Chapter 6

He's building on the theme that Jesus came to restore ALL of creation. He then says Jesus is the ONLY means of restoring all of creation, BUT the exact methods of restoring all of creation through Jesus isn't spelled out. Jesus as the means of restoration is exclusive, but there are many inclusive ways of getting people restored through Jesus. He says we shouldn't be threatened by the unique ways people come to Jesus.

He seems to be saying that if someone has found love or hope or peace in creation, then they have/may have found Jesus. And this may be one of the many means Jesus uses to reconcile all things to himself.

Pretty discouraging to see him interpreting the Bible this way to me. I hope he reconciles what he's saying now, later on in the book with what is actually true.

1still_waters · Mar 17, 2011

Chapter 7

He uses the story of the prodigal son to ask us which story about God are we going to believe and then live in. Are we going to believe in the God of love who welcomes his son back? Are we going to be like the prodigal son who viewed his father as being so mad that he could only come back to him as a slave? Are we going to view God through the eyes of the other son who thought his dad shouldn't show such mercy and love to someone who didn't deserve it?

He then talks about hell. He wants to maintain God as a God of love, so he doesn't have God sitting there offering us life only to be giving us hell if we don't take his first offer. Rather Bell says God is love, but when we reject God, we willingly experience the consequences of that rejection which is hell. A hell Bell argues that exists on Earth. He really has tried to downplay an eternal hell to.

Bell also makes an interesting point about how the message is presented to others. He says when we present Jesus as simply the way to get in to heaven and avoid hell, we miss so much! Jesus isn't just the way in to heaven, he's the way in to a new and resurrected life, living with God and in his kingdom. It shouldn't just be reduced down to 'getting in'.

He also says we shouldn't view God as the slave driver, whom we do things for so we can escape his wrath. Rather we follow him because we are engaged in a resurrected, reborn life.

I think on some points in this chapter he's right on. As far as we choose hell. As far as the message being about more than 'getting in'. As far as deciding if we're going to view God as a God of love.

I disagree with where his final conclusion on these points seems to be going.

contemplative · Mar 17, 2011

trust_in_the_name said:

I think this mostly comes from Romans 14, in which Paul discusses the proper way of approaching "disputable matters." The word there has been translated variously as opinions, doubts, thoughts, disputes, etc. As an example Paul lists diets and holy days as topics which are clearly not so essential that they require agreement. To the individuals involved in the debates, however, they were important enough that Paul thought it wise to step in.

1still_waters · Mar 17, 2011

Ok I just finished. This book isn't in the realm of orthodoxy. In my opinion. He makes a few good points, but his main point just isn't right and should be outright rejected.

jbhome · Mar 20, 2011

why is it that so many get so fired up about this book? He asks some very real questions. Questions that I've heard from so many people when they ask me why I believe what I believe. What is so wrong with addressing these questions and searching out truth. Has anyone actually read the book?

jbhome · Mar 20, 2011

My question for those who side against what this book has to offer is... why do you dissmiss the suggestion that hell is a place that purifies? What makes you so sure that it's a place that those who didn't choose God in their lifetime are tortured and tormented forever? Torture and torment forever does not sound like the justice and judgement of God, never do I see God torture or torment anyone. I see His wrath against sin in the bible, but I don't see him ever torture or torment. Rob Bell challenges our definition of hell. Pretty arrogant of any of us to think that we have it all figured out, and we should search out truth when good questions come to the surface. Bell brings to the surface some very good questions. And even more so, don't we all believe that Jesus died so we can be free from the power of sin - why do so many Christains believe that we have to suffer through this life to live free later. Who said it had to be later? The bible doesn't, Jesus said bring the kingdom of heaven to earth and showed us it's possible. Bell's arguments in this book sound to me compelling and encouraging for the very thing we all want...His kingdom on earth as it is in heaven. Who am I to judge what's next but I am after what's available in my life now IN HIM. "I have been crucified in Christ, it is no longer I who live but Christ lives in me, the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God who loves me and delivers Himslef up for me." Gal 2:20

jbhome · Mar 20, 2011

10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)

Do you believe the "beast and the false prophet" are an acutal human or the thing that is influencing the person? The scripture says that the "devil" and the "beast and the false prophet" will be thrown into the lake of fire and tormented forever...not that any people will

My question for those who side against what this book has to offer is... why do you dissmiss the suggestion that hell is a place that purifies? What makes you so sure that it's a place that those who didn't choose God in their lifetime are tortured and tormented forever? Torture and torment forever does not sound like the justice and judgement of God, never do I see God torture or torment anyone. I see His wrath against sin in the bible, but I don't see him ever torture or torment. Rob Bell challenges our definition of hell. Pretty arrogant of any of us to think that we have it all figured out, and we should search out truth when good questions come to the surface. Bell brings to the surface some very good questions. And even more so, don't we all believe that Jesus died so we can be free from the power of sin - why do so many Christains believe that we have to suffer through this life to live free later. Who said it had to be later? The bible doesn't, Jesus said bring the kingdom of heaven to earth and showed us it's possible. Bell's arguments in this book sound to me compelling and encouraging for the very thing we all want...His kingdom on earth as it is in heaven. Who am I to judge what's next but I am after what's available in my life now IN HIM. "I have been crucified in Christ, it is no longer I who live but Christ lives in me, the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God who loves me and delivers Himslef up for me." Gal 2:20

trust_in_the_name · Mar 20, 2011

jbhome said:

Because it's what scripture clearly states.

41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: (Mark 25:41)

46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." (Matthew 25:46)

7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. (Jude 7)

10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)

12 His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather His wheat into the barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire." (Matthew 3:12)

8 If your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life lame or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the everlasting fire. (Matthew 18:8)

9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, (2 Thessalonians 1:9)

44 where 'Their worm does not die, And the fire is not quenched.' (Mark 9:44)

46 where 'Their worm does not die, And the fire is not quenched.' (Mark 9:46)

48 where 'Their worm does not die, And the fire is not quenched.' (Mark 9:48)

jbhome said:

This is not the God of the Bible. The rich man in Hades cried and said, "I am tormented in this flame."

24 Then he cried and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.' (Luke 16:24)

34 And his master was angry, and delivered him to the torturers until he should pay all that was due to him. 35 So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother his trespasses." (Matthew 18:34-35)

28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. (Matthew 10:28)

10 The wicked will see it and be grieved; He will gnash his teeth and melt away; The desire of the wicked shall perish. (Psalm 112:10)

2 As smoke is driven away, So drive them away; As wax melts before the fire, So let the wicked perish at the presence of God. (Psalm 68:2)

8 If I ascend into heaven, You are there; If I make my bed in hell, behold, You are there. (Psalm 139:8)

29 For our God is a consuming fire. (Hebrews 12:29)

3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silent; A fire shall devour before Him, And it shall be very tempestuous all around Him. (Psalm 50:3)

3 A fire goes before Him, And burns up His enemies round about. (Psalm 97:3)

14 Like sheep they are laid in the grave; Death shall feed on them; The upright shall have dominion over them in the morning; And their beauty shall be consumed in the grave, far from their dwelling. (Psalm 49:14)

11 Your pomp is brought down to Sheol, And the sound of your stringed instruments; The maggot is spread under you, And worms cover you.' (Isaiah 14:11)

9 Surely the Lord God will help Me; Who is he who will condemn Me? Indeed they will all grow old like a garment; The moth will eat them up. (Isaiah 50:9)

7 "Listen to Me, you who know righteousness, You people in whose heart is My law: Do not fear the reproach of men, Nor be afraid of their insults. 8 For the moth will eat them up like a garment, And the worm will eat them like wool; But My righteousness will be forever, And My salvation from generation to generation." (Isaiah 51:7-8)

24 "And they shall go forth and look Upon the corpses of the men Who have transgressed against Me. For their worm does not die, And their fire is not quenched. They shall be an abhorrence to all flesh." (Isaiah 66:24)

19 As drought and heat consume the snow waters, So the grave consumes those who have sinned. 20 The womb should forget him, The worm should feed sweetly on him; He should be remembered no more, And wickedness should be broken like a tree. (Job 24:19-20)

13 Therefore thus says the Lord God: "Behold, My servants shall eat, But you shall be hungry; Behold, My servants shall drink, But you shall be thirsty; Behold, My servants shall rejoice, But you shall be ashamed; (Isaiah 65:13)

25 Woe to you who are full, For you shall hunger. Woe to you who laugh now, For you shall mourn and weep. (Luke 6:25)

25 The righteous eats to the satisfying of his soul, But the stomach of the wicked shall be in want. (Proverbs 13:25)

10 The wicked will see it and be grieved; He will gnash his teeth and melt away; The desire of the wicked shall perish. (Psalm 112:10)

12 But the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." (Matthew 8:12)

42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. (Matthew 13:42)

49 So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just, 50 and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth." (Matthew 13:49-50)

13 Then the king said to the servants, 'Bind him hand and foot, take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.' (Matthew 22:13)

51 and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Matthew 24:51)

30 And cast the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.' (Matthew 25:30)

23 Then one said to Him, "Lord, are there few who are saved?" And He said to them, 24 "Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able. 25 When once the Master of the house has risen up and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock at the door, saying, 'Lord, Lord, open for us,' and He will answer and say to you, 'I do not know you, where you are from,' 26 then you will begin to say, 'We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets.' 27 But He will say, 'I tell you I do not know you, where you are from. Depart from Me, all you workers of iniquity.' 28 There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, and yourselves thrust out. (Luke 13:23-28)

22 "Now consider this, you who forget God, Lest I tear you in pieces, And there be none to deliver: (Psalm 50:22)

46 the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. (Luke 12:46)

31 The mouth of the righteous brings forth wisdom, But the perverse tongue will be cut out. 32 The lips of the righteous know what is acceptable, But the mouth of the wicked what is perverse. (Proverbs 10:31-32)

11 Look, all you who kindle a fire, Who encircle yourselves with sparks: Walk in the light of your fire and in the sparks you have kindled-- This you shall have from My hand: You shall lie down in torment. (Isaiah 50:11)

jbhome said:

What does the eternal reality of hell have to do with those who have been saved from the wages of sin?

jbhome · Mar 20, 2011

You asked...What does the eternal reality of hell have to do with those who have been saved from the wages of sin?

It's a strange question I think. What I was trying to say is that whether or not there is an eternal reality of hell is not the point. The point is the "heaven" we choose to live now.

Trust_In_The_Name, you gave me a lot of good scripture to chew on...a lot of the same one's I was already looking at and will continue to look at. But you have not read Bell's book, and that is clear because he addresses many of those verses. You have a lot of certainties to a subject that you are not even understanding the point that is being made. I think Bell's point is this...That whether or not hell is an eternal reality is not the point of the "Good News" the point of the gospel is that we can have heaven now. Jesus lives!

Everyone seems to be so bent on proving Bell to be a false preacher, that is nonsense. He's a guy who loves Jesus and is facing head on the VERY VERY real questions that so many people are asking. Does it challenge what we have always said we believe, YES, but we'd be very very foolish to think that we've already got it all figured out.

What I think Bell's complaint is when people preach the fire and brimstone messages...The love of God is not something you have to be scared into, not if you've ever really felt it. It's wonderful and there is no contest to it.

I don't know where I stand on what hell is. I think both sides pose good arguments. But one thing I know for sure, God's really good at sorting it out in me. And I trust Him well. I wish that people would see this Rob Bell guy as the man after God's heart that he is. Does he have it right? Not sure, but sure does seem to be after the right thing. And I'm pretty sure God can handle him as well.

Credo_ut_Intelligam · Mar 20, 2011

Do you just get to make "the point" whatever you want? In that case, why can't I make the point the hell we face if we die rejecting Jesus as the Christ?

How is that point less valid than yours, without begging the question?

What does having read Bell's book have to do with appealing to those verses? The fact that Bell "addresses" those verses is really irrelevant if he is in fact MISusing them. Have you read responses people have written to Bell's use of Scripture?

Again, what is this talk about "the point"? And why do you have such certainty (that's a scary bad word, right?) about what the point is? Maybe the point of the "Good News" is that we have been saved from eternal damnation. Jesus lives. Right?

The truth is, this is just a language game for people like Rob Bell, that's why I can turn it around on you equally well. That's how rhetorical games work. And you've bought Bell's game hook, line, and sinker. Well that might make you feel warm and fuzzy, it's not going to help you in a discussion with someone who can look past the shallow language game.

People, like Kevin DeYoung, have given us *reasons* to think Bell is wrong. You coming here and declaring it all "nonsense" doesn't look very convincing in the face of contrary evidence.

I'd like to think we're all guys who love Jesus. What's your point?

Really? That's funny, because when he was on the MSNBC interview with Martin Bashir, all he did was DODGE VERY VERY real questions that his host was asking him (and that many others are asking about him). So to act like Bell is some question-warrior, braving the storm of life's questions, looks a bit ridiculous. He had a chance to face head on some very real questions with Martin Bashir and he didn't just choke, he danced around them.

This is another rhetorical game. Thrown around without considering background knowledge, the topic, the reasons we have for our beliefs, etc. it's useless. For instance, consider the following question:

[asked with pseudo-profundity] Does 2 + 2 really = 4? Really? We'd be very very foolish to think that we've already got it all figured out. [end pseudo-profundity]

How's that? Look good? Did I plant a seed of doubt concerning your mathematical knowledge?

What does this even mean? More language games. Are people being "scared into the love of God" or are they just scared of suffering the wrath of God? Sure, it looks silly to say we should scare people into the love of God, but that's just because you're using a cheap caricature. On the other hand, it looks perfectly legitimate and reasonable to be scared of suffering the wrath of God.

You seem to be confused over a person's sincerity and character and their being wrong. Being sincere doesn't make you right. Being a "man after God's heart" doesn't make you right either. Bell could be both of those things and still be dead wrong and seriously wrong, teaching things that diminish the gospel and lead people astray.

trust_in_the_name · Mar 21, 2011

jbhome said:

Then why is the fear of God the beginning of wisdom and knowledge?

28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. (Matthew 10:28)

13 "But He is unique, and who can make Him change? And whatever His soul desires, that He does. 14 For He performs what is appointed for me, And many such things are with Him. 15 Therefore I am terrified at His presence; When I consider this, I am afraid of Him. 16 For God made my heart weak, And the Almighty terrifies me; (Job 23:13-16)

19 And because of the majesty that He gave him, all peoples, nations, and languages trembled and feared before him. Whomever he wished, he executed; whomever he wished, he kept alive; whomever he wished, he set up; and whomever he wished, he put down. (Daniel 5:19)

13 The Lord of hosts, Him you shall hallow; Let Him be your fear, And let Him be your dread. (Isaiah 8:13)

8 Let all the earth fear the Lord; Let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of Him. (Psalm 33:8)

7 You, Yourself, are to be feared; And who may stand in Your presence When once You are angry? (Psalm 76:7)

14 I know that whatever God does, It shall be forever. Nothing can be added to it, And nothing taken from it. God does it, that men should fear before Him. (Ecclesiastes 3:14)

7 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, But fools despise wisdom and instruction. (Proverbs 1:7)

10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom; A good understanding have all those who do His commandments. His praise endures forever. (Psalm 111:10)

18 "There is no fear of God before their eyes." (Romans 3:18)

1 To the Chief Musician. A Psalm of David the servant of the Lord. An oracle within my heart concerning the transgression of the wicked: There is no fear of God before his eyes. (Psalm 36:1)

4 Who shall not fear You, O Lord, and glorify Your name? For You alone are holy. For all nations shall come and worship before You, For Your judgments have been manifested." (Revelation 15:4)

22 Do you not fear Me?' says the Lord. 'Will you not tremble at My presence, Who have placed the sand as the bound of the sea, By a perpetual decree, that it cannot pass beyond it? And though its waves toss to and fro, Yet they cannot prevail; Though they roar, yet they cannot pass over it. 23 But this people has a defiant and rebellious heart; They have revolted and departed. 24 They do not say in their heart, "Let us now fear the Lord our God, Who gives rain, both the former and the latter, in its season. He reserves for us the appointed weeks of the harvest." 25 Your iniquities have turned these things away, And your sins have withheld good from you. (Jeremiah 5:22-25)

4 For the Lord is great and greatly to be praised; He is to be feared above all gods. 5 For all the gods of the peoples are idols, But the Lord made the heavens. (Psalm 96:4-5)

25 For the Lord is great and greatly to be praised; He is also to be feared above all gods. (1 Chronicles 16:25)

120 My flesh trembles for fear of You, And I am afraid of Your judgments. (Psalm 119:120)

11 Serve the Lord with fear, And rejoice with trembling. (Psalm 2:11)

2 For all those things My hand has made, And all those things exist," Says the Lord. "But on this one will I look: On him who is poor and of a contrite spirit, And who trembles at My word. (Isaiah 66:2)

38 Establish Your word to Your servant, Who is devoted to fearing You. (Psalm 119:38)

5 They shall fear You As long as the sun and moon endure, Throughout all generations. (Psalm 72:5)

17 Do not let your heart envy sinners, But be zealous for the fear of the Lord all the day; (Proverbs 23:17)

9 The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring forever; The judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether. (Psalm 19:9)

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