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Right sir. The church is the house [repeat: house] of the living God. A house.
"Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. Then the Jews said, This
temple was built up in 46 years, and You will raise it up in three days? But He spoke
of the temple of His body. When therefore He was raised from the dead, His disciples
remembered that He had said this, and they believed the Scripture and the word which
Jesus had spoken."
"Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. Then the Jews said, This
temple was built up in 46 years, and You will raise it up in three days? But He spoke
of the temple of His body. When therefore He was raised from the dead, His disciples
remembered that He had said this, and they believed the Scripture and the word which
Jesus had spoken."
I don´t like mansions (I have been "there" a couple of times) and if I had to live with more ppl than those I already know, I would feel very disappointed: For me it would be enough to have one (a woman and no more).
Last year I had the chance to be in a convention (my last GF was there, and I wanted to give her a surprise) and men and women were segregated (the reasons can be infered) and I felt unconfortable I had to sleep in a huge dormitory, like those you see are useful for troopers, where no man had my beliefs or political convictions... Next day I fled with my ex-GF.
I hope next life I had my own hut. It´s roomy and fresh just for me.
Last year I had the chance to be in a convention (my last GF was there, and I wanted to give her a surprise) and men and women were segregated (the reasons can be infered) and I felt unconfortable I had to sleep in a huge dormitory, like those you see are useful for troopers, where no man had my beliefs or political convictions... Next day I fled with my ex-GF.
I hope next life I had my own hut. It´s roomy and fresh just for me.
In John 14:2-3, Christ said: “In my Father’s house are many mansions .…
I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you,
I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.”
Rapture proponents assume this means the saints will be in heaven with Christ once
He has prepared “a place” for them and “come again” to rapture them away.
Notice carefully that Jesus did not say that. He said the saints would be
with Him wherever He would be. As the bible says, that will be here on this Earth!
The “place” prepared in heaven may refer “metaphorically … [to the] station held
by one …; opportunity, power” (Thayer’s Greek Lexicon).
The word mansions is better rendered in modern translations as rooms or dwelling places.
It signifies offices or positions of authority. These are indeed reserved in heaven (1 Peter 1:4),
but they are conferred on the saints when Christ returns to the Earth! (Revelation 22:12).
As such, the saints will have “power over the nations” (Revelation 2:26)
and will as “kings and priests … reign on the earth” (Revelation 5:10).
I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you,
I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.”
Rapture proponents assume this means the saints will be in heaven with Christ once
He has prepared “a place” for them and “come again” to rapture them away.
Notice carefully that Jesus did not say that. He said the saints would be
with Him wherever He would be. As the bible says, that will be here on this Earth!
The “place” prepared in heaven may refer “metaphorically … [to the] station held
by one …; opportunity, power” (Thayer’s Greek Lexicon).
The word mansions is better rendered in modern translations as rooms or dwelling places.
It signifies offices or positions of authority. These are indeed reserved in heaven (1 Peter 1:4),
but they are conferred on the saints when Christ returns to the Earth! (Revelation 22:12).
As such, the saints will have “power over the nations” (Revelation 2:26)
and will as “kings and priests … reign on the earth” (Revelation 5:10).
F
I've never heard that until now, prove-all. My learning and reading I've found most logical
has been
that "the Father's house" in John, as in John 2:16 then 19-22, in the New
concept of the GodMan Christ, is......................Himself. He is the temple of God. I believe
another Gospel says the same: One "greater than the temple" is here. Jesus Christ
was, and is, the living house of the Father. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word
was with God, and the Word was God...And the Word became flesh and Tabernacled among us
Full of grace and reality. I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me.
To me this, the Bible, is so much higher, profounder, and wonderfuller
than the low thought of material gold and silver 'mansions,' lol, and castles, golf courses,
ski mountains, Disneyland, space stations, I've heard from (real) Christians
(and heretics) down through the years, and which unbelievers portray in movies.
... Like Peter said: "Silver and gold I don't have,
but such as I have I give unto you. In the Name of Jesus Christ, stand up and walk..."
And so His "going" in John 14:2-3, in keeping with the thought and teaching in John 15, 16, and
17 ----all His last discourse to His disciples before His crucifixion in John----concerning the purpose
and working of the Father, Son, and Spirit to fulfill Their eternal purpose (Eph 1:11; 3:11)---
is........ His death. His dying. He left them. As He said in Jn 16:5-7, 18-20.
His "coming again to receive them" in 14:2-3 is.................His resurrection. Not His "2nd coming."
In addition to rising
physically, permanently; He Also at the same time "became a life-giving Spirit" (1 Cor 15:45).
That is He incorporated His humanity into the Holy Spirit, and became not only the Spirit of God, and the
Spirit of the Son, but as well, the Spirit of Jesus. The Spirit of Jesus Christ. To get into...............us.
That is what it means to "come again to receive [us] to Himself." Jn 20:22.
That "where He is"-------------------Where is He? Where was He? In His Father.
"...[We] may be also." The place is not heaven. Not a dead structure, no matter how fancy. And not even
"a position." But the place is............
in God. In the Father. In the Spirit. In the triune God. For eternity.
These things Jesus spoke, and lifting up His eyes to heaven, he said, Father, the hour has come, glorify Your
Son that the Son may glorify You. Even as You have given Him authority over all flesh to give eternal life to
all whom You have given Him. And this is eternal life, that they may know You. the only true God, and Him
whom You have sent, Jesus Christ. I have glorified You on earth, finishing the work which You have given Me
to do. And now, glorify Me along with Yourself, Father, with the glory which I had with You before the world was....
I do not ask that You take them out of the world....I do not ask concerning these only, but concerning those also who
believe into Me through their word...that they also may be in Us
has been
that "the Father's house" in John, as in John 2:16 then 19-22, in the New
concept of the GodMan Christ, is......................Himself. He is the temple of God. I believe
another Gospel says the same: One "greater than the temple" is here. Jesus Christ
was, and is, the living house of the Father. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word
was with God, and the Word was God...And the Word became flesh and Tabernacled among us
Full of grace and reality. I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me.
To me this, the Bible, is so much higher, profounder, and wonderfuller
than the low thought of material gold and silver 'mansions,' lol, and castles, golf courses,
ski mountains, Disneyland, space stations, I've heard from (real) Christians
(and heretics) down through the years, and which unbelievers portray in movies.
... Like Peter said: "Silver and gold I don't have,
but such as I have I give unto you. In the Name of Jesus Christ, stand up and walk..."
And so His "going" in John 14:2-3, in keeping with the thought and teaching in John 15, 16, and
17 ----all His last discourse to His disciples before His crucifixion in John----concerning the purpose
and working of the Father, Son, and Spirit to fulfill Their eternal purpose (Eph 1:11; 3:11)---
is........ His death. His dying. He left them. As He said in Jn 16:5-7, 18-20.
His "coming again to receive them" in 14:2-3 is.................His resurrection. Not His "2nd coming."
In addition to rising
physically, permanently; He Also at the same time "became a life-giving Spirit" (1 Cor 15:45).
That is He incorporated His humanity into the Holy Spirit, and became not only the Spirit of God, and the
Spirit of the Son, but as well, the Spirit of Jesus. The Spirit of Jesus Christ. To get into...............us.
That is what it means to "come again to receive [us] to Himself." Jn 20:22.
That "where He is"-------------------Where is He? Where was He? In His Father.
"...[We] may be also." The place is not heaven. Not a dead structure, no matter how fancy. And not even
"a position." But the place is............
in God. In the Father. In the Spirit. In the triune God. For eternity.
These things Jesus spoke, and lifting up His eyes to heaven, he said, Father, the hour has come, glorify Your
Son that the Son may glorify You. Even as You have given Him authority over all flesh to give eternal life to
all whom You have given Him. And this is eternal life, that they may know You. the only true God, and Him
whom You have sent, Jesus Christ. I have glorified You on earth, finishing the work which You have given Me
to do. And now, glorify Me along with Yourself, Father, with the glory which I had with You before the world was....
I do not ask that You take them out of the world....I do not ask concerning these only, but concerning those also who
believe into Me through their word...that they also may be in Us
My personal opinion is while we are called to suffer now but when Jesus returns we will reign with Him forever. So we must not think this present life is all there is, nor should we be scared of being greedy or serving mammon if we do think that there is a mansion in heaven waiting for us. I believe that when Christ comes back to reign, we will see His reign more greatly than we can even currently imagine. Jesus is the King of Kings and His reign will be beyond words.
P
The rapture is the gathering of the bride by the groom.
In the jewish wedding the father and groom go to the bride's house and sit at table (as Jesus and the disciples) and they share a cup of wine(sound familliar?). If the bride drinks she accepts/finds the groom to be a good suiter.If she refuses the cup,the "deal" is off. The groom then,after the covenent of betrothal,tell the bride "i go and prepare a place /room for you."
This was usually AT THE HOUSE OF THE GROOMS FATHER (again,sound familliar?)
The last supper was in fact the "betrothal"
Why not many magnificent mansions instead of closets, which are also "rooms"? There is a place the Lord has gone to and to prepare a place for me to dwell where he dwells, for eternity.
First, how much emphasis is there on our enjoying things like houses and lands?
I've witnessed and read accounts of this principle Jesus taught: Mark 10:28-31 (KJV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] Then Peter began to say unto him, Lo, we have left all, and have followed thee.
[SUP]29 [/SUP] And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's,
[SUP]30 [/SUP] But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.
[SUP]31 [/SUP] But many that are first shall be last; and the last first.
There is no good reason or using other scriptures to justify making that metaphorical of "spiritual houses" that can't be seen with the eye. Each of us is indeed a temple of the Spirit, and Christians are of the Household of God, like the Jews are of the Household of Israel. Jesus didn't remove physical dwellings for our bodies to rest within in this life, and promised there to restore and multiply whatever is left behind to serve Jesus. He promised an extended family of fellow believers for us to enjoy fellowship, and lands in this life. Since I've experienced all that it would be hypocritical of me to deny the physical and familial experiences promised. It's God's will for man to enjoy material things in this life as long as we put him first.
In keeping with the plain wording of Mark 10, I find a similar one that has no earmark of metaphorical interpretations needed. Jesus relates to hearers with the natural truths so we can digest the spiritual.
John 14:1-4 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
Jesus told that he would be going to where the Father abides (Heaven, on his throne). While there Jesus would be preparing a place for "you". There already were many mansions, many abodes/rooms,dwelling places there in that Household of God.
Jesus wasn't speaking of rising from the grave then receiving the disciples to himself. He left them on earth soon after his resurrection. While in this body none of us is there with him. He sent the Holy Spirit back to comfort us until our re-union in Heaven. In John 21 Jesus told Peter he would live to be an old man. We know Peter didn't ascend with Jesus. John 14 could only apply to the time when Jesus comes in the rapture. Then after the tribulation Jesus not only "comes" for a limited purpose, but returns to stay a thousand years to rule and reign.
Heaven is on the way here, to set into geosynchronous orbit over the Middle east, literally a visible city in the sky that Abraham kept watching for to appear, I believe just before the tribulation starts. It's big enough to put the Antichirst's kingdom into terrible darkness.
John measured it in Revelation, finding cubic dimensions of 1,500 miles wide, deep and high, with 12 floors (foundations). One floor alone covers the space of America's states west of the Mississippi River. The combined floor space exceeds the habitable area of earth's habitable dry land. There's ample room for streets of gold, wonderful gardens like that of Eden, the river of God, and space for about three times earth's present population to each have 3 acres to stretch. You can have a very nice mansion on your plot and still have enough garden to keep the neighborhood uncluttered with buildings.
But, scriptures indicate most people won't enjoy Heaven, following the broad road to destruction. That leaves each of those who do live in that eternal bliss will more likely have something like 40 acres of Eden garden with a mansion in the middle. Don't be selfish! Send as many people as you can witness Christ to while here. There's ample room for all who will come to Jesus. If land space there gets crowded, make those mansions into skyscrapers. That way everyone can have a great view. From wall to center some folks will be up to 750 miles away. Here on earth it's impossible to see that far, but your glorified body eyes will handle it.
There are 12 gates in the great wall that's over 200 feet thick, for inhabitants to pass to and from earth. Our home base will be Heaven, our jobs on earth or wherever else assigned. Worship will apparently remain at Heaven around the thrones of Jesus and the Father. From the seating arrangement of the 24 elders I believe the center of the city will be where God abides, with all the floors of Heaven arranged like balconies in a stadium, such that every mansion has a splendid view of God.
Rather than pass the subject off as metaphorical, why not use the imagination God gave us to begin enjoying Heaven now? Apostle John got a tour of Heaven, tried to describe it. He gave us enough to take it as a physical city, and I know there will be no tears there, no poverty, no sickness, just amazing bliss, in the company of our God.
First, how much emphasis is there on our enjoying things like houses and lands?
I've witnessed and read accounts of this principle Jesus taught: Mark 10:28-31 (KJV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] Then Peter began to say unto him, Lo, we have left all, and have followed thee.
[SUP]29 [/SUP] And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's,
[SUP]30 [/SUP] But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.
[SUP]31 [/SUP] But many that are first shall be last; and the last first.
There is no good reason or using other scriptures to justify making that metaphorical of "spiritual houses" that can't be seen with the eye. Each of us is indeed a temple of the Spirit, and Christians are of the Household of God, like the Jews are of the Household of Israel. Jesus didn't remove physical dwellings for our bodies to rest within in this life, and promised there to restore and multiply whatever is left behind to serve Jesus. He promised an extended family of fellow believers for us to enjoy fellowship, and lands in this life. Since I've experienced all that it would be hypocritical of me to deny the physical and familial experiences promised. It's God's will for man to enjoy material things in this life as long as we put him first.
In keeping with the plain wording of Mark 10, I find a similar one that has no earmark of metaphorical interpretations needed. Jesus relates to hearers with the natural truths so we can digest the spiritual.
John 14:1-4 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
Jesus told that he would be going to where the Father abides (Heaven, on his throne). While there Jesus would be preparing a place for "you". There already were many mansions, many abodes/rooms,dwelling places there in that Household of God.
Jesus wasn't speaking of rising from the grave then receiving the disciples to himself. He left them on earth soon after his resurrection. While in this body none of us is there with him. He sent the Holy Spirit back to comfort us until our re-union in Heaven. In John 21 Jesus told Peter he would live to be an old man. We know Peter didn't ascend with Jesus. John 14 could only apply to the time when Jesus comes in the rapture. Then after the tribulation Jesus not only "comes" for a limited purpose, but returns to stay a thousand years to rule and reign.
Heaven is on the way here, to set into geosynchronous orbit over the Middle east, literally a visible city in the sky that Abraham kept watching for to appear, I believe just before the tribulation starts. It's big enough to put the Antichirst's kingdom into terrible darkness.
John measured it in Revelation, finding cubic dimensions of 1,500 miles wide, deep and high, with 12 floors (foundations). One floor alone covers the space of America's states west of the Mississippi River. The combined floor space exceeds the habitable area of earth's habitable dry land. There's ample room for streets of gold, wonderful gardens like that of Eden, the river of God, and space for about three times earth's present population to each have 3 acres to stretch. You can have a very nice mansion on your plot and still have enough garden to keep the neighborhood uncluttered with buildings.
But, scriptures indicate most people won't enjoy Heaven, following the broad road to destruction. That leaves each of those who do live in that eternal bliss will more likely have something like 40 acres of Eden garden with a mansion in the middle. Don't be selfish! Send as many people as you can witness Christ to while here. There's ample room for all who will come to Jesus. If land space there gets crowded, make those mansions into skyscrapers. That way everyone can have a great view. From wall to center some folks will be up to 750 miles away. Here on earth it's impossible to see that far, but your glorified body eyes will handle it.
There are 12 gates in the great wall that's over 200 feet thick, for inhabitants to pass to and from earth. Our home base will be Heaven, our jobs on earth or wherever else assigned. Worship will apparently remain at Heaven around the thrones of Jesus and the Father. From the seating arrangement of the 24 elders I believe the center of the city will be where God abides, with all the floors of Heaven arranged like balconies in a stadium, such that every mansion has a splendid view of God.
Rather than pass the subject off as metaphorical, why not use the imagination God gave us to begin enjoying Heaven now? Apostle John got a tour of Heaven, tried to describe it. He gave us enough to take it as a physical city, and I know there will be no tears there, no poverty, no sickness, just amazing bliss, in the company of our God.
F
Word_Swordsman asks Why not magnificent mansions?
A first, basic, answer is that the Greek word 'monai,' from the verb
to abide 'meno,' means 'abodes.' Abiding places. Dwellings.
So to translate it into English 'Mansions,' much less 'Magnificent
Mansions,' or 'closets,' is not accurate. If in 1600s English (the KJV),
mansions only meant dwellings, that's great. But today, and I believe
for a while, the English 'mansions,' has connoted a lot more additional
than the mere, basic, generic, word 'abide.'
In translating accurately, one can't be afraid to choose a sense or form of
a word, other than the basic, majority, one, so as to match the immediate context,
or even match the teaching in Scripture as a whole. And so now we can see if
there's anything in this exact same, conversation of Jesus (John 13---17, especially
John 14 itself), that warrants "mansions" or "closets" or any other sense of the word
Jesus actually chose---'abodes.' (I wonder what word an Aramaic translation uses?)
The answer comes in 14:23. If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word, and My Father
will love him, and We will come to him and make an abode with him. I don't think it can
be plainer. An 'abode' in John 14 is not made of things. It is made of people. Namely you+
Jesus+the Father. In other words, believer+God. Triune God+believer. It's really simple.
It's not metaphorical. The abodes are not allegory. It's based on the word 'abide.'
As in "Abide in Me and I in you" 15:4. That is a 'concrete' reality. The very definition of a
(genuine) Christian and the Christian life. Yes, our human thought of house and dwellings;
as well as the Vine and branches; are pictures, metaphors or similes, and that is in keeping
with the rest of John, the many signs Jesus did. But the actual act, of living inside Christ, and
Christ and His Father (and His Spirit) living inside you, is not metaphor. It is fact. It is the
deepest fact. A mistranslation such as "mansions" or "closets" doesn't add to this fact. They detract
from it. They distract from it. They distort and alter it. They do not serve this deepest fact,
this deepest, most precious, reality.
Dear W.S. asserts "where the Father abides [is] Heaven, on his throne."
While this is true, it is at the same time only part of the truth. One could even assert that
we don't need the New Testament for this truth. The truth which John emphasizes
in His Gospel is more "New Testamentish." More.............awesome, useful, and relevant.
In 14:23, where the Father "wants" to abide.....................is within you!
"If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word, and My Father will love him, and We will come
to him and make an abode with Him." Where the Father currently abides in John 14:10-11
is................inside His Son. "Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in
Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak from Myself, but the Father who abides in Me
does His works. Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me."
John 10:38 " Know and continue to know that the Father is in Me and I am in the Father."
In John 2:16 the "Father's house" begins with referring to the temple in Jerusalem. Not heaven
and His throne. But this house, this abode, this temple, Jesus transfers to Himself.
"Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." If anyone's not sure what that means,
the apostle helps us out: "He spoke of the temple of His body" 2:21.
Yes, the Father (and the Son) dwell in heaven on Their throne. But that is not the thrust and message
of the Gospel of John. The theme of John's writings is that, more profoundly,
the Father's eternal dwelling place which Father, Son,
and Spirit have worked for, and accomplished, and are accomplishing, is nothing less than the children of
God, the church, the Body and Bride of Christ, which is to also use Paul's terms.
This is not a "limited" or temporary purpose. This is nothing less than
God's eternal purpose, Eph 1:9-11; 3:11
A first, basic, answer is that the Greek word 'monai,' from the verb
to abide 'meno,' means 'abodes.' Abiding places. Dwellings.
So to translate it into English 'Mansions,' much less 'Magnificent
Mansions,' or 'closets,' is not accurate. If in 1600s English (the KJV),
mansions only meant dwellings, that's great. But today, and I believe
for a while, the English 'mansions,' has connoted a lot more additional
than the mere, basic, generic, word 'abide.'
In translating accurately, one can't be afraid to choose a sense or form of
a word, other than the basic, majority, one, so as to match the immediate context,
or even match the teaching in Scripture as a whole. And so now we can see if
there's anything in this exact same, conversation of Jesus (John 13---17, especially
John 14 itself), that warrants "mansions" or "closets" or any other sense of the word
Jesus actually chose---'abodes.' (I wonder what word an Aramaic translation uses?)
The answer comes in 14:23. If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word, and My Father
will love him, and We will come to him and make an abode with him. I don't think it can
be plainer. An 'abode' in John 14 is not made of things. It is made of people. Namely you+
Jesus+the Father. In other words, believer+God. Triune God+believer. It's really simple.
It's not metaphorical. The abodes are not allegory. It's based on the word 'abide.'
As in "Abide in Me and I in you" 15:4. That is a 'concrete' reality. The very definition of a
(genuine) Christian and the Christian life. Yes, our human thought of house and dwellings;
as well as the Vine and branches; are pictures, metaphors or similes, and that is in keeping
with the rest of John, the many signs Jesus did. But the actual act, of living inside Christ, and
Christ and His Father (and His Spirit) living inside you, is not metaphor. It is fact. It is the
deepest fact. A mistranslation such as "mansions" or "closets" doesn't add to this fact. They detract
from it. They distract from it. They distort and alter it. They do not serve this deepest fact,
this deepest, most precious, reality.
Dear W.S. asserts "where the Father abides [is] Heaven, on his throne."
While this is true, it is at the same time only part of the truth. One could even assert that
we don't need the New Testament for this truth. The truth which John emphasizes
in His Gospel is more "New Testamentish." More.............awesome, useful, and relevant.
In 14:23, where the Father "wants" to abide.....................is within you!
"If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word, and My Father will love him, and We will come
to him and make an abode with Him." Where the Father currently abides in John 14:10-11
is................inside His Son. "Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in
Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak from Myself, but the Father who abides in Me
does His works. Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me."
John 10:38 " Know and continue to know that the Father is in Me and I am in the Father."
In John 2:16 the "Father's house" begins with referring to the temple in Jerusalem. Not heaven
and His throne. But this house, this abode, this temple, Jesus transfers to Himself.
"Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." If anyone's not sure what that means,
the apostle helps us out: "He spoke of the temple of His body" 2:21.
Yes, the Father (and the Son) dwell in heaven on Their throne. But that is not the thrust and message
of the Gospel of John. The theme of John's writings is that, more profoundly,
the Father's eternal dwelling place which Father, Son,
and Spirit have worked for, and accomplished, and are accomplishing, is nothing less than the children of
God, the church, the Body and Bride of Christ, which is to also use Paul's terms.
This is not a "limited" or temporary purpose. This is nothing less than
God's eternal purpose, Eph 1:9-11; 3:11
Positions not in Heaven, but in the Kingdom when established on earth...
Luk 19:15 And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom,
then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money,
that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.
Luk 19:16 Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds.
Luk 19:17 And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in
a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.
Luk 19:18 And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds.
Luk 19:19 And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities.
1Co 3:9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.
1Co 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder,
I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
1Co 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
1Co 3:12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
1Co 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be
revealed by fire;and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
Mat 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels;
and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened:
and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things
which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me,
to give every man according as his work shall be.
The rewards, laid up in heaven, are brought back with Him when He returns so that
He can give to every man according to his works.
Luk 19:15 And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom,
then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money,
that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.
Luk 19:16 Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds.
Luk 19:17 And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in
a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.
Luk 19:18 And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds.
Luk 19:19 And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities.
1Co 3:9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.
1Co 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder,
I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
1Co 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
1Co 3:12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
1Co 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be
revealed by fire;and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
Mat 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels;
and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened:
and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things
which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me,
to give every man according as his work shall be.
The rewards, laid up in heaven, are brought back with Him when He returns so that
He can give to every man according to his works.
the bible does not say we die and go to heaven.
when our change comes, at Christs return to earth
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible,
by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
- you can sin as man and become corruptible by youre actions.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on (incorruption), and this mortal must put on immortality.
“Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;
neither doth corruption inherit incorruption” (I Cor. 15:50).
1Co 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption;
it is (raised in incorruption)
1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits;
afterward they that are Christ's (at his coming).
2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be:
but we know that, (when he shall appear), we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
nothing evil can never go to heaven, God can not yet be here because of evil.
until raised in incorruption
Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith,
and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?
But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man,
the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
when our change comes, at Christs return to earth
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible,
by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
- you can sin as man and become corruptible by youre actions.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on (incorruption), and this mortal must put on immortality.
“Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;
neither doth corruption inherit incorruption” (I Cor. 15:50).
1Co 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption;
it is (raised in incorruption)
1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits;
afterward they that are Christ's (at his coming).
2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be:
but we know that, (when he shall appear), we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
nothing evil can never go to heaven, God can not yet be here because of evil.
until raised in incorruption
Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith,
and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?
But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man,
the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
I'm still trying to learn to like people and you guys are worried about mansions......God has been working on me to start liking some of the CC folks....It has been my experience throughout life that people can die and leave you or disappoint you greatly.
In CC there are some very lovely peeps and then there are the name callers and the to hell with you peeps....So like I said I am still learning to like people.....I am going to let God worry about the housing whether I'm in a shack or a mansion I just have prayed Dear Lord let me be the last one to walk through the gates just to know I got there...that is all I care about. I will be happy with what ever He thinks I should have.
In CC there are some very lovely peeps and then there are the name callers and the to hell with you peeps....So like I said I am still learning to like people.....I am going to let God worry about the housing whether I'm in a shack or a mansion I just have prayed Dear Lord let me be the last one to walk through the gates just to know I got there...that is all I care about. I will be happy with what ever He thinks I should have.