Marijuana?

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Dikaiosune

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I think they fall under the same category as all morally neutral forms of enjoyment do. I agree with the rest of your paragraph though, but I suppose I just draw the line somewhere else.
Little confused by what you mean by that...I find more of a distinction because you can't smoke weed in most places where you can play cards at (publicly). Now, of course it being illegal may have some what to do with it but even so. I Think it would not be allowed in schools even if it was legal..smoking weed in most places is not considered the right conduct. Therefore the majority look at it as morally wrong. So no, i don't really think they are in the same moral category. Even if its looked upon outside a religious stand point.
Now maybe in private sectors you could argue they are the same as to being morally neutral forms of enjoyment. But even then...people do it privately because its looked upon as more so morally wrong publicly. When people play cards they don't hide in the basement from the cops or their parents. Playing cards doesn't have an age requirement(just a intelligence one). If smoking pot was made legal it would have an age minimum...and the majority would still be hiding it from their parents. That's not the actions of something that is in the same moral category as playing cards.

Many people enjoy a certain degree of mental impairment (if that's what you want to call it) when they drink, and the majority of Christianity has no problem with this. I just don't see the need to isolate and condemn cannabis use.
I see what you mean. Luckily the majority doesn't speak for me.
Honestly i would advice anyone to stay away from either if they can. They can only be better off without them. As for me I don't find either appealing from the aftermath i have seen caused by both...and i doubt any of my testimonies or me telling anyone about God would have as much impact if they knew i smoked weed?.(which i would have no real good reason as to why)....Instead of me explaining why i'm doing something that could lead to bad things and is illegal. Also the criminal ties it has and other bad things its related to across the world makes it something for me that would be way better off not doing. I'm just gonna word it this way. If im given an option to smoke or not smoke..and not smoking allows me to be a better light to this world...then I choose the latter. That's just my take on it though.

I don't think anyone is deliberately cutting it close. Rather, because of our imperfect natures, everything we do has the potential to become a vice: drinking, smoking, playing cards, drinking tea etc. Even though these activities are in and of themselves morally neutral, it is possible to abuse them. I simply place cannabis use in the same category.
Once we are aware of our imperfect nature and have the holy spirit we should be more aware of things cutting it close..

Some things have a greater potential than others(And people know this). So we do have a deliberate choice to do them or not. Unless if you choose to ignore...every action is a choice. Living for God is deciding to go against my imperfect nature....My imperfect nature is not an excuse to play with fire. For me doing this would
1# Cause family problems
2# Illegal
3# Could lead to addiction...(i'm not perfect...how would i know if i never tried it? i can say it wont lead to it for certain)
4# Give the example to my 25 cousins that drugs are okay and maybe one of them becomes addicted
5# No real good reason as to why to do it. Not a very good hobby or relatively productive
6# like i stated in a past post it would be somewhat demeaning, for me, of God's power in my life
7# For me...a stupid way to find relaxation i never liked being impaired in any way.

This making it for me way better off spiritually, emotionally and physically without it...and he wants me to be better off :)...

We strive to become more like jesus and let go of that nature that hinders us. And i already stated above why its really not in the same morally neutral category as playing cards...We wouldn't even have this thread if it was.... whether it be cause if its illegal or other reasons as age.


I see what you mean, but loads of things affect our mental state that we would not condemn. For instance, is it okay to get a sugar or caffeine high? What about the buzz one gets from physical exercise? I just think that to single out cannabis is arbitrary.
And a nap is the same as a Coma?

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The buzz from exercising is not stimulated by an outside source and it doesn't give us trouble formulating thoughts...People exercise for the physical/health results....Not for the buzz. Exercising is something that works your butt off. Weed high does not require you to be in shape lol.. This is just not the same and i don't feel like going though the many reasons why... because i can tell you're smart and you probably know this already.
#2 Sugar is in soooo many foods.... You can just throw this one out the window because studies have shown that ''the sugar high'' is mostly a myth. Some people are just more naturally hyper than others or make themselves believe that sugar will make them hyper... so they psychologically acquire that state. Some of the food that has sugar coincidently also has caffeine. There is no real evidence that sugar gives a high to the normal healthy human being or child. You can search this and find extensive data on it.
#3 Caffeine does not impair our mentality...or affect the limbic system like weed. Its affects our central nervous system and it heightens our awareness...can't really be considered a high similar to weed which lowers your awareness to some extent. IDK if you can even call this a high.

Singling out cannibis use and realizing how different it is from these is not arbitrary..in fact it's arbitrary to not see the differences between them. Especially when you don't point out why they are any where near similar other than they are just bodily reactions. But you just state they are the same.

I think you know that the last paragraph you wrote was not concise. If you are gonna compare exercising and a caffeine high to that of weed. At least tell me how they are anything alike and how they act on our emotional/mental state in the same way. These examples have no where near the same affect on our mentality/body ...to where we can't keep our normal mental composure.
 
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Maddog

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Little confused by what you mean by that...I find more of a distinction because you can't smoke weed in most places where you can play cards at (publicly). Now, of course it being illegal may have some what to do with it but even so. I Think it would not be allowed in schools even if it was legal..smoking weed in most places is not considered the right conduct. Therefore the majority look at it as morally wrong. So no, i don't really think they are in the same moral category. Even if its looked upon outside a religious stand point.
Now maybe in private sectors you could argue they are the same as to being morally neutral forms of enjoyment. But even then...people do it privately because its looked upon as more so morally wrong publicly. When people play cards they don't hide in the basement from the cops or their parents. Playing cards doesn't have an age requirement(just a intelligence one). If smoking pot was made legal it would have an age minimum...and the majority would still be hiding it from their parents. That's not the actions of something that is in the same moral category as playing cards.
What you're talking about here is social acceptance, which is entirely different to morality. Just because certain sections of society may frown upon or applaud a specific activity it does not change the morality of the act itself.


I see what you mean. Luckily the majority doesn't speak for me.
Honestly i would advice anyone to stay away from either if they can. They can only be better off without them. As for me I don't find either appealing from the aftermath i have seen caused by both...and i doubt any of my testimonies or me telling anyone about God would have as much impact if they knew i smoked weed?.(which i would have no real good reason as to why)....Instead of me explaining why i'm doing something that could lead to bad things and is illegal. Also the criminal ties it has and other bad things its related to across the world makes it something for me that would be way better off not doing. I'm just gonna word it this way. If im given an option to smoke or not smoke..and not smoking allows me to be a better light to this world...then I choose the latter. That's just my take on it though.
And that's up to you. People abstain from certain things for all sorts of praiseworthy reasons (eg. Methodists traditionally didn't drink because of their outreach to alcoholics) but it doesn't make the use of such things intrinsically wrong.


Once we are aware of our imperfect nature and have the holy spirit we should be more aware of things cutting it close.
'Cutting it close' to me, means putting ourselves in situations where we know we will be strongly tempted to sin. Everyone's different. Some know they shouldn't have a drink becuase they know that even having just one will lead to another 14 pints and half a bottle of scotch, but others know they can drink sensibly. I say it's the same for weed; some people can enjoy a spliff and leave it at that. For these people, cannabis isn't cutting it close at all.

We strive to become more like jesus and let go of that nature that hinders us. And i already stated above why its really not in the same morally neutral category as playing cards...We wouldn't even have this thread if it was.... whether it be cause if its illegal or other reasons as age.
I think the reason this thread exists is because of its relatively low level of social acceptance, which exists primarily because some people like to draw up arbitrary distinctions between substances. There's a similar story for alcohol; to my mind there should be no question that alcohol, in and of itself, is fine for Christians. However, since there are some groups who manufacture pockets of social disapproval, all of of a sudden it becomes a topic of debate.


#1 The buzz from exercising is not stimulated by an outside source and it doesn't give us trouble formulating thoughts...People exercise for the physical/health results....Not for the buzz. Exercising is something that works your butt off. Weed high does not require you to be in shape lol.. This is just not the same and i don't feel like going though the many reasons why... because i can tell you're smart and you probably know this already.
It has a different effect but it's still affecting our mental state.

#3 Caffeine does not impair our mentality...or affect the limbic system like weed. Its affects our central nervous system and it heightens our awareness...can't really be considered a high similar to weed which lowers your awareness to some extent. IDK if you can even call this a high.
So downers (weed, booze) are bad but uppers (caffeine, line of speed) are okay?

Singling out cannibis use and realizing how different it is from these is not arbitrary..in fact it's arbitrary to not see the differences between them. Especially when you don't point out why they are any where near similar other than they are just bodily reactions. But you just state they are the same.

I think you know that the last paragraph you wrote was not concise. If you are gonna compare exercising and a caffeine high to that of weed. At least tell me how they are anything alike and how they act on our emotional/mental state in the same way. These examples have no where near the same affect on our mentality/body ...to where we can't keep our normal mental composure.
It's not that I think there are no differences between the specific effects certain substances have, I just don't see why one would single out cannabis. Why is one type of mind/mood alteration okay but not another? That is what I believe is arbitrary.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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#3 Caffeine does not impair our mentality...or affect the limbic system like weed. Its affects our central nervous system and it heightens our awareness...can't really be considered a high similar to weed which lowers your awareness to some extent. IDK if you can even call this a high

actually, some scientists claim large levels of caffine (those who drink many cups a day) can lead to psychosis.....
 
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Maddog

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#3 Caffeine does not impair our mentality...or affect the limbic system like weed. Its affects our central nervous system and it heightens our awareness...can't really be considered a high similar to weed which lowers your awareness to some extent. IDK if you can even call this a high

actually, some scientists claim large levels of caffine (those who drink many cups a day) can lead to psychosis.....
Ahh...that explains why I murdered my neighbours.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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*grabs sword and backs away*
 
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The Scriptures support marijuana. It says Stephen was stoned.

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I don't find it particularly humorous, but rather ironic, that the ones who stoned Stephen were Jews.. and Nuhen is a Jew...
 
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Mordred

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Marijuana is a mind manipulator.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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as we keep coming back to manipulation/ altering of the mind:

it is a sin to do yoga?
 
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Graybeard

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this thread is going round and round in circles......but I think I know why...because most on here are probably goofed and have forgotten what has already been discussed!
 
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HeavenwithinYOU

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Marijuana is the tree of knowledge and fills people with power, its LIKE the tree of knowledge IF NOT the tree itself.

NOBODY IS RIGHTEOUS NOT ONE! Romans 3:10..... Romans 10:3 warns - Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness.

HERE is the deal, GOD wants to make YOU.. one with CHRIST..literally... to put YOUR SPIRIT into CHRISTS and to make you ONE with GOD .. hence, HEAVEN is within you and LIVING WATER will flow from within. BUT...

YOU MUST HATE THE WORLD AND ALL THAT IS IN IT AS JESUS SAID:

ASK, READ, REPENT and only seek heaven and do not love the world of anything in it, I promise you all.. that this is what the TRUE message of the Gospel IS because IF YOU JUST OPEN your eyes and heart and take these Scriptures for what they are and BOLDLY ASK GOD for heaven within you now, the Living Water, AND KEEP READING, fasting and pushing hard reading Matthew to Revelations and suffering like JESUS did with fasting and not sinning at ALL.. GOD will do IT!

WATCH my testimony - http://www.youtube.com/my_videos?feature=mhum
THIS IS THE REAL TRUTH OF CHRIST HE HAS SHOWN ME HIMSELF, I COME in the NAME OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST RAISED THE 3rd day by the FATHER who sends the HOLY SPIRIT to those who TRULY REPENT AND ASK AND SEEK AND KEEP SEEKING BOLDLY UNTIL THEY FIND... AND ONLY THOSE WHO SEEK BOLDLY as JESUS SAID in the parable with the man asking for BREAD that was turned away BUT got the bread HE wanted due to HIS BOLD PERSISTENCE!

Luke 11:8 "I tell you, though he will not get up and give him the bread because he is his friend, yet because of the man's boldness he will get up and give him as much as he needs."
•John 17:21 - Jesus said: "That all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be IN us."
John 8:31 - "IF you ABIDE in my word, you are TRULY my disciples."
• John 14:21: "He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him."
• Luke 14:26 - "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters--yes, even his own life--he cannot be my disciple." HATE in really "love less by comparison." In the Greek original.
• John 7:37 - For Jesus stood and cried, saying on the day of the Feast, "If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his BELLY shall flow rivers of Living Water!"
• Luke 17:21 "nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is within you."
• John 7:38 - "Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, streams of living water will flow from within him."
• LUKE 12:2 - "... and all that is secret will be made known."
• John 12:25 - "Those who love their lives will destroy them, and those who hate their lives in this world will guard them for everlasting life."
• 1 John 2:15 - "Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him."
• Rev 3:20 - "If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me.”
• Galatians 2:20 - "I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me."
• 2 Corinthians 13:5 - "Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you--unless, of course, you fail the test?"
• Hebrews 12:14 - "Without holiness no one will see the Lord."
• 2 Peter 2:2 - "Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute."
• Ephesians 2:14 - For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace, and in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility.

• Romans 8:9 -- "You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ."

• Galatians 5:20 -- "Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires."

• Colossians 2:11 -- "In him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of the sinful nature, not with a circumcision done by the hands of men but with the circumcision done by Christ."

• John 17:24 "Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world."

• 1 John 2:27 "...and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit."
• 1 John 3:9 - "No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God."

• 1 John 5:18 - "We know that the person who has been born from God does not go on sinning. Rather, the Son of God protects them, and the evil one cannot harm them."
• Luke 24:49 "I am going to send you what my Father has promised; but stay in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high."

• John 4: 23 -- "Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth."

• Hebrews 12:8 "If you are not disciplined (and everyone undergoes discipline), then you are illegitimate children and not true sons."

• John 8:34 - Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. 35 Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. 36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed."
• Hebrews 10:26 - If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.