Mark of the beast is sunday laws.

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By studying Daniel 7, one can realise whose the little horn power that is also described in Revelation 13 as the beast that comes up out of the see. In Daniel 7, daniel prophesies of four kingdoms. These four were historically Babylon, medo-persia, greece, and Rome. The third beast split into four kingdoms, that's why it had four heads. When Alexander the great died, his kingdom was taken over by his four generals. Each one took a part of the kingdom. The fourth beast historically was Rome. Which was divided in 476 ad into ten nations --> that's why it had ten horns. Now a little horn comes up among these ten. The ONLY OTHER POWER that arose among the ten nations, and plucked up three of the ten, was the POPE. Heruli, vandals, and the ostrogoths were the ones destroyed. Pope ascended into supreme power in 538 ad. Now daniel said this horn will speak great words against the most High. Shall destroy the saints. Rule for a time and times and half a time. Think to change times and laws.
The popes did this:
The blasphemes God when they claimed numerous times in writing as well as openly that they were God. "All names which in the Scriptures are applied to Christ...all the same names are applied to the Pope"- Robert Bellarmine, Disputationes de Controversiis, Tom. 2.
"“Hence the pope is crowned with a triple crown, as king of heaven and of earth and of the
lower regions.” Lucius Ferraris, Prompta Bibliotheca , “Papa”, art. 2.
"The very title, pope, means “papa,” or “father.” It is a title which in rel igious usage belongs
only to God, as Christ pointed out: “And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your
Father, which is in heaven.” Matthew 23:9.
“They have assumed infallibility, which belongs only to God. They profess to forgive sins,
which belongs only to God. They profess to open and shut heaven, which belongs only
to God. They profess to be higher than all the kings of the earth, which belongs only to
God. And they go beyond God in pretending to loose whole nations from their oath of
allegience to their kings, when such kings do not please them. And they go against God,
when they give indulgences for sin . This is the worst of all blasphemies.” Adam Clarke,
Commentary, on Daniel 7:25."

Now the popes fulfilled the prophecy of destroying and making war on the saints of God! Anyone remember the horibble outcome of religious intolerance that occured in the dark ages? "“That the Church of Rome has shed more innocent blood than any other institution that has
ever existed among mankind, will be questioned by no Protestant who has a competent
knowledge of history....It is impossible to form a complete conception of the multitude
of her victims, and it is quite certain that no powers of imagination can adequately realise
their sufferings.” History of the Rise and Influence of the Spirit of Rationalism in Europe,
Vol 2, p 40, by W.E.H. Lecky, (1955 ed.)."

Did the popes rule for a time and times and half a time? Now one needs to just remember that this word time was written in amaric, and it means a year. And times in aramic came from "two years", and half a time is half a year. Did the popes reign for 3.5 prophetic years? 3.5 prophetic years is the same as 42 months! (12 months per year). Now the best amazing thing about this is that there are parallels in prophecy! For John in revelation, said that this beast would continue for 42 months! And that he would make war with the saints and overcome them! Not only so, but John sees this beast having names of blasphemy, and speaking great words against God!
Now keep in mind that these 42 months or prophetic. In Bible, a month is 30 days, so 42 months is 1260 days. Now that's not a coincidece that 1260 days is mentioned in Revelation 12! And in revelation 11 both 42 months and 1260 days are mentioned! But what is the time scale that God uses? "Each day for a year", "each day for a year" numbers 14:34, ezekiel 4:6
Did the popes reign for 1260 years?! Yes. Pope ascended throne in 538 ad. In 1798 napoleon sent his general and abolished the power of the popes. 1798-538= 1260 years! Now is this amazing or what?
Here's another parallel too: paul in his letter to the thessalonians said talked about the "man of sin" "son of perdition" who "sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God" 2 thessalonians 2:3-4. Now this is something you should know. Pope does sit on a white throne, and with two cherebiums on either side! What color was the throne that John saw on which God sits? White! (Revelation 20:11). And what did isaiah say about the one who sits between the cherebiums?! Isaiah 37:16!
Now everyone should totally understand! Now i know why the protestant reformers called the pope the antichrist. Martin luther. John knocks. King james. John weasley, william tyndale, and much more... But we don't take it from the words of men! We take it from the Holy Bible! It was daniel that prophesied of the four kingdoms and we just trace it down with history. All who would want to take the holy Bible is their sole rule of faith, must after studying Bible prophecy to be led to conclude that the pope is the antichrist. Plus it has to be because otherwise, no prophecy fulfills.
The last thing i would want to mention is thinking to change the times and laws.

Primarily, the activities of the Little Horn are directed not merely against human authority,
but against God Himself. Says the text, “He shall speak great words against the most High, and shall
wear out the saints of the most High.” The “times and laws” that he would “think to change” would
therefore be “of the most High.” The papacy would actually claim the right to alter divine precepts.
Consider the following statement made in Pope Nicholas’ time.
“The pope has authority and has often exercised it, to dispense with the commands of
Christ...He can dispense above the law, and of wrong make right, by correcting and
changing laws....
“The pope is of so great authority and power that he can modify, explain, or interpret even
divine laws....The pope can modify divine law, since his power is not of man, but of God,
and he acts in the place of God upon earth, with the fullest power of binding and loosing
his sheep.” Prompta Bibliotheca, by Lucius Ferraris, under “Papa,” art. 2.

The pope has removed the second commandment, and has changed the fourth! Jesus said "think not that i am come to destroy the law" matthew 5:17. And paul says "shall we make the law void through faith, nay, but we establish it"- romans 3:31. The idea that a christian is released from obligation to the law of God is not founded from the Holy Bible. Jesus Himself in the last book of the Bible, prounounced a blessing to those that KEEP GOD's COMMANDMENTS:
"Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city"- revelation 22:14.
The idea that you don't need the law is centered upon the belief of the popes and that's that.
Here's one striking statement Jesus makes, "it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail"- luke 16:17
Even the catholic church admits that in writing:
"“We have, therefore, the same authority for Purgatory as we have for Sunday.” Things
Catholics Are Asked About, p 136, by Martin J. Scott, 1927.

“Protestantism, in discarding the authority of the Church, has no good reason for its Sunday
theory, and ought, logically, to keep Saturday as the Sabbath.” John Gilmary Shea,
quoted in The American Catholic Quarterly Review, January, 1883.

“You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line
authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance
of Saturday, a day which we [Catholics] never sanctify.” The Faith of Our Fathers, p 72-
73, by James Cardinal Gibbons, 1917 ed.

“Is it not strange that those who make the Bible their only teacher should inconsistently
follow in this matter the tradition of the Church?” Bertrand L. Conway, quoted in The
Question Box Answers, 1910, p 255.



“No; it never was changed, nor could it be, unless creation was to be gone through again: for
the reason assigned must be changed before the observance, or respect to the reason, can
be changed!! It is all old wives’ fables to talk of the change of the sabbath from the
seventh to the first day. If it be changed, it was that august personage changed it who
changes times and laws ex officio – I think his name is DOCTOR
ANTICHRIST.”Alexander Campbell, quoted in The Christian Baptist, February 2, 1824,
vol. 1, no. 7. (This is a statement not from the catholic church ofcourse.)

“Reason and common sense demand the acceptance of one or the other of these alternatives:
either Protestantism and the keeping holy of Saturday or Catholicity and the keeping of
Sunday. Compromise is impossible.” Catholic Mirror, December 23, 1893.


“The church has changed the Sabbath into the Lord’s day by its own authority, concerning
which you have no Scripture.” Handbook of Common Places Against the Lutherans, by
Johann Eck, 1533.


“If you follow the Bible alone there can be no question that you are obliged to keep Saturday
holy, since that is the day especially prescribed by Almighty God to be kept holy to the
Lord. In keeping Sunday, non-Catholics are simply following the practise of the Catholic
Church for 1800 years, a tradition, and not a Bible ordinance....With the Catholics there
is no difficulty about the matter. For, since we deny that the Bible is the sole rule of faith,
we can fall back upon the constant practise and tradition of the Church.” Francis G.
Lentz, quoted in The Question Box, p 98-99, 1900.

And that my friends is just a few of the quotes that i can share. The beast has a mark according to Rev 13:16-17.
What does the vatican claim as its mark of authority?
"Sunday is our MARK of authority...the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact."- catholic record of london, ontario sept 1, 1923

The mark of the beast is sunday laws. The pope will regain power as rev 17 depicts the beast having ten horns. The new world order's leader will be the pope, and divided into ten seperate kingdoms.

"This organization proposes in every possible way to aid in preserving
Sunday as a civil institution. Our national security requires the active
support of all good citizens in the maintenance of our American Sabbath.
Sunday laws must be enforced." -Quoted as "principles contained in the
Constitution" of the original orginization (then called the American Sabbath
Union), cited in The Lord's Day Alliance, Twenty fifth Report (1913), p6

I hope you were blessed. For more info on who the antichrist is (25+ major prophecies that expose the pope is antichrist --> remnantofgod.org/666-CHAR.htm )
For more info on the mark of the beast : remnantofgod.org/mark.htm
For more info on the Law of God and all biblical facts that disprove the idea that you should not keep the Law: remnantofgod.org/law.htm
For more info on the Sabbath of God: remnantofgod.org/sabbath.htm

I totally am convinced that the Law of God should be kept for the Christian. The fact that Jesus died for you was proof that He did not change His law. He could have ommited the law and there would be no more sin. Sin is "the transgression of the law"- 1 John 3:4
And the love of God is keeping His commandments 1john 5:3
If anyone says he knows God but keeps not His commandments, you can be sure that the man is a liar: 1 john 2:4
How can people now claim that the law was abolished when Jesus my Christ and Lord said that it is going to endure even if the earth and heaven will pass? Who is my God? The people of today or my Jesus? Whom am i to believe?
I truly hope you were blessed. Christians who keep the Law cannot get the mark of the beast: revelation 14:12
Amen.
 
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Wow. You people love to argue over the little things, don't you?
 
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Not trying to sound rude, but I don't think people use Sunday laws to make purchases. That is part of it. Without the mark of the beast people won't be able to receive any goods.
 
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no friend. If it's mentioned in the Holy Bible then it is very important. Bible gives a fearful warning against the mark. It is important to understand what the mark is because its a life and death issue here. "If any man...receive his mark in his forehead or in his hand, the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God...and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb, and they have no rest day nor night"- Revelation 14:9-11 does not that sound very serious? It's one mark and you gotta make sure you know what it is.
 
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man all i can see is that's what the Bible says. Pope will exalt his mark and force it on the world. Those that don't agree will be prevented from buying and selling. No i am sure you were not rude.
 
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Look. I know you were not rude. But that's your personal opinion. I hope i did not sound rude here. Friend take the Holy Bible as your sole rule of faith. Ok? God bless you.
 
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So....every sunday we have the mark and then the rest of the week we are ok?
 
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So....every sunday we have the mark and then the rest of the week we are ok?
No. The decree will go forth commaning you to work on Sabbath and rest on sunday. When you obey that decree you have agreed to obey the law of the pope above the decree of God. You receive the mark. God bless.
 
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I really disagree with that whole sunday worship being the mark of the beast thing. Also, as Cataclysm said......how the heck is the clerk going to know if you walk into the store on tuesday if you obeyed whatever"Sunday Observance" law their might be and not sell anything to you or buy anything from you based on that? Not to mention, I dont see how anybody could remotely get that out of the text of revelation. The best explanation would be a literal mark that one has to receive in their hand or forehead...just as the text says.
 
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I really disagree with that whole sunday worship being the mark of the beast thing. Also, as Cataclysm said......how the heck is the clerk going to know if you walk into the store on tuesday if you obeyed whatever"Sunday Observance" law their might be and not sell anything to you or buy anything from you based on that? Not to mention, I dont see how anybody could remotely get that out of the text of revelation. The best explanation would be a literal mark that one has to receive in their hand or forehead...just as the text says.
Friend i see no mistake in this at all. For the Bible has defined the beast for us. A quick look at the prophecies of Daniel will make you sure who the beast is. And this beast has already defined what its mark is. I linked to the webpage remnantofgod.org/mark.htm . Read the page and you'll know what they'll be using in the new world order to get EVERYONE to bow down the demand of the pope. And this is prophecy too, so receiving the mark on the hand means something, and receiving it on the hand means something else. If everything is wrong then the Bible is wrong. For it was God that wrote the Bible and prophesied of the four global kingdoms, and all you gotta do is trace down history. It's that simple. He just gave a starting point and it all goes from there. God bless.
 
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Friend i see no mistake in this at all. For the Bible has defined the beast for us. A quick look at the prophecies of Daniel will make you sure who the beast is. And this beast has already defined what its mark is. I linked to the webpage remnantofgod.org/mark.htm . Read the page and you'll know what they'll be using in the new world order to get EVERYONE to bow down the demand of the pope. And this is prophecy too, so receiving the mark on the hand means something, and receiving it on the hand means something else. If everything is wrong then the Bible is wrong. For it was God that wrote the Bible and prophesied of the four global kingdoms, and all you gotta do is trace down history. It's that simple. He just gave a starting point and it all goes from there. God bless.
I read the page, and I'm aware that the RCC is the institution responsible for starting the sunday thing.....I observe the Sabbath on Saturday myself........I still don't see this connection with the mark of the beast though. I've read all of this information before and I just re-read it to make sure I could give you an honest reply. Rome's arrogant claims aside, I don't see scripture backing up that point of view......could you tell me how you personally get that out of scripture?

Any time I've seen anybody attempt to explain it.....it's usually "Well this is symbolic of that, that is symbolic of this....etc" and even the way it's put like that has never made any sense to me.....The bible also says that no prophecy of scripture is of private interpretation.....how did none of the Church even suspect this one bit (Many centuries at least) until after the Seventh Day Adventist denomination formed? If I'm not mistaken, that's where this entire theory originated.
 

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The unsaved will receive the mark. Born again blood bought believers will not receive the mark. You are concerned about something over which you have no control. Focus on Christ and witness of His ability to save those who come to Him.
The effort to be dogmatic about a prophecy that we cannot know its exact time of fulfillment seems to only engender strife and not edification.
We know that those who die without Christ will perish forever in the condemnation of God. Fulfill the great commission to evangelize and the rest will take care of itself.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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The unsaved will receive the mark. Born again blood bought believers will not receive the mark. You are concerned about something over which you have no control. Focus on Christ and witness of His ability to save those who come to Him.
The effort to be dogmatic about a prophecy that we cannot know its exact time of fulfillment seems to only engender strife and not edification.
We know that those who die without Christ will perish forever in the condemnation of God. Fulfill the great commission to evangelize and the rest will take care of itself.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Def, I honestly don't believe the Holy Spirit is going to leave any doubt in a believers mind what it is when the time actually comes.
 
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Our churches are following the laws that Constantine made in addition to those given in the bible. Just like Jezebel did when she convinced Ahab to let her add temples to Baal by giving him scripture, so our churches have done ever since. Church fathers started writing about how this was the right thing to do within a 100 years of the crucifixion.
 
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I read the page, and I'm aware that the RCC is the institution responsible for starting the sunday thing.....I observe the Sabbath on Saturday myself........I still don't see this connection with the mark of the beast though. I've read all of this information before and I just re-read it to make sure I could give you an honest reply. Rome's arrogant claims aside, I don't see scripture backing up that point of view......could you tell me how you personally get that out of scripture?

Any time I've seen anybody attempt to explain it.....it's usually "Well this is symbolic of that, that is symbolic of this....etc" and even the way it's put like that has never made any sense to me.....The bible also says that no prophecy of scripture is of private interpretation.....how did none of the Church even suspect this one bit (Many centuries at least) until after the Seventh Day Adventist denomination formed? If I'm not mistaken, that's where this entire theory originated.

I'll try to explain as much as possible as much as i have understood. No prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation this is true. So by prophecy explaining prophecy, we have concluded that the pope is the antichrist, and the beast is the vatican. And the bible just said the beast has a mark. Naturally its mark is gonna be something contradictory to the mark of God or Seal of God. Here's another way i'll try to make it plain. Read revelation 14. Now all that while in verse 9 through 11 the angel was warning against the wicked! So the SAINTS do NOT take the mark right? Well according to John, the saints he saw are those who, have the faith of Jesus, AND keep the commandments. So christians who keep the Law cannot receive the mark of the beast. Then there must be a connection between the Law and the mark of the beast. In the Holy Bible, God has stated that His Sign or Seal is the Sabbath (exodus 31:13. And ezekiel 20:20). Plus God Himself stated keep the Sabbath, because I created in six days and rested on the seventh.( Exodus 20) And comparing that with exodus 31:13 i do find that the Sabbath is the sign of God's authority and power! He said "...that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you". The idea that God is the only God because He is the only one who has created is mentioned quite a few times in the Bible: "For all the gods of the people are idols: but the LORD made the heavens. -1 Chronicles 16:26"
"Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. -Revelation 4:11"
So i think this is as close as i can get to try and help you understand. If you lay Rome's boasting aside how will you ever know what the mark is? You know what the beast is, but how will you know what the mark is? Then you'll end up deceived into taking it. So i don't know if that made sense to you or not. As God chose Sabbath as His Sign, the beast has chosen something as his mark too. Not only so, but relate that info that i wrote all, with Daniel 7:25
-"he...shall think to change times and laws"
-saints of God who keep commandments and faith of Jesus do not receive the mark.
-naturally since satan always counterfeits God's works, then his mark would be something contradictory to God's mark or seal. So it has to do with the Law because God's seal is the Sabbath.
-seal of God is something that acknowledges God's power and authority, rome boasts of sunday as its mark or seal of authority. So it's rather plain here the mark of the beast is directly in contradiction to God's mark.
Did that make sense to you? I hope it did. God bless.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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if anything the long term trend has been towards -less- respect for christian observance of sunday...with more businesses being open on sunday and so on...this fear of 'sunday laws' is just paranoid delusion...
 
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Our churches are following the laws that Constantine made in addition to those given in the bible. Just like Jezebel did when she convinced Ahab to let her add temples to Baal by giving him scripture, so our churches have done ever since. Church fathers started writing about how this was the right thing to do within a 100 years of the crucifixion.
Amen brother. Its just like what Jews did too. Jesus was very displeased with them and told them "in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men"- matthew 15:9.
Brother "we ought to obey God rather than men"- acts 5:29
God bless.
 
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if anything the long term trend has been towards -less- respect for christian observance of sunday...with more businesses being open on sunday and so on...this fear of 'sunday laws' is just paranoid delusion...
No it is not. Its Bible prophecy. But i'll tell you something. The fact people don't keep sunday holy the RIGHT way proves that they don't mean it when they claim its holy. God bless.
 
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The unsaved will receive the mark. Born again blood bought believers will not receive the mark. You are concerned about something over which you have no control. Focus on Christ and witness of His ability to save those who come to Him.
The effort to be dogmatic about a prophecy that we cannot know its exact time of fulfillment seems to only engender strife and not edification.
We know that those who die without Christ will perish forever in the condemnation of God. Fulfill the great commission to evangelize and the rest will take care of itself.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Friend. I did a study on the Law of God. Born again believers should keep the Law and not make it void, as Paul says in romans 3:31 "shall we make the law void through faith, nay, but we establish it". Paul never taught to disobey God's law. Plus bible truth is always for the edification of God's people. And it is totally unreasonable to suppose that you just preach and everything takes care of itself. If you don't know what the mark is, how you gonna be sure you were not deceived into taking it? The book of Revelation is in the Bible for a reason. This book is all prophecy and deserves our attention. This book can be understood. God bless.
 
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I'll try to explain as much as possible as much as i have understood. No prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation this is true. So by prophecy explaining prophecy, we have concluded that the pope is the antichrist, and the beast is the vatican. And the bible just said the beast has a mark. Naturally its mark is gonna be something contradictory to the mark of God or Seal of God. Here's another way i'll try to make it plain. Read revelation 14. Now all that while in verse 9 through 11 the angel was warning against the wicked! So the SAINTS do NOT take the mark right? Well according to John, the saints he saw are those who, have the faith of Jesus, AND keep the commandments. So christians who keep the Law cannot receive the mark of the beast. Then there must be a connection between the Law and the mark of the beast. In the Holy Bible, God has stated that His Sign or Seal is the Sabbath (exodus 31:13. And ezekiel 20:20). Plus God Himself stated keep the Sabbath, because I created in six days and rested on the seventh.( Exodus 20) And comparing that with exodus 31:13 i do find that the Sabbath is the sign of God's authority and power! He said "...that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you". The idea that God is the only God because He is the only one who has created is mentioned quite a few times in the Bible: "For all the gods of the people are idols: but the LORD made the heavens. -1 Chronicles 16:26"
"Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. -Revelation 4:11"
So i think this is as close as i can get to try and help you understand. If you lay Rome's boasting aside how will you ever know what the mark is? You know what the beast is, but how will you know what the mark is? Then you'll end up deceived into taking it. So i don't know if that made sense to you or not. As God chose Sabbath as His Sign, the beast has chosen something as his mark too. Not only so, but relate that info that i wrote all, with Daniel 7:25
-"he...shall think to change times and laws"
-saints of God who keep commandments and faith of Jesus do not receive the mark.
-naturally since satan always counterfeits God's works, then his mark would be something contradictory to God's mark or seal. So it has to do with the Law because God's seal is the Sabbath.
-seal of God is something that acknowledges God's power and authority, rome boasts of sunday as its mark or seal of authority. So it's rather plain here the mark of the beast is directly in contradiction to God's mark.
Did that make sense to you? I hope it did. God bless.
Thank you, at least I understand the point of view better.....I'm still not a believer on forced sunday observance being the mark (Although I obviously wouldn't do that anyway if they tried to enforce something like that) but I can understand the point of view much better now. God Bless :)