mark of the beast

[MatthewG]

I actually just wanted to comment on this.

You know back in the early years of the Ad's, there was a point in time, where a ruler would come up, and place this mark of the beast, which really was like a slip saying that you are loyal to the ruler, that did come up.

So basically this Ruler, despised Christians, and He killed them, and only those who served the Ruler, got the slip, to buy sell and trade. But those who didnt pledge their loyality to them, as Christians were not to do, would be killed, and starved, because they were not allowed to eat, and they were looked at as sicking and they killed them.




I.E. Nero caesar


If you don't believe that this happened that is fine but I will say that is all the mark of the beast was.

 

[Alertandawake]

From a financial point of view, we all know the mark of the beast is associated with buying and selling.

For example, in this day and age we live in today, when people go to a 2nd hand goods dealer and want to dispose of their goods, what is the first thing the person presenting the goods to be disposed of has to do? Has to present ID to prove goods belong to said person and are not stolen. Once person disposes of the goods, person can either trade the goods for something else or alternatively just take a monetary value of what the goods are worth at the time. So at moment, the way how this process works, persons shows photo id, then pawn broker gives monetary value for what goods are worth, such as giving cash to the person, or a electronic funds transfer to person's bank account.

Implantable electronic device that is designed to be used as a means of identification and means of conducting financial transactions can easily and more efficiently be used in such a scenario.

I don't know too much about this 5G network, but what I am researching, there is great concern for radiation that is harmful. So if there is a implantable device constantly receiving and sending out signals, over a network that is exposing a type of electromagnetic radiation, how harmful can that be to human tissue?

Those animals that had the rfid implants and reports of associated cancers and tumors as a result of such a implant, something had to cause the cancer/tumor in the first place.

The description giving in Rev 16.2, to me that is describing the side effects.

 

[Ahwatukee]

I actually just wanted to comment on this.

You know back in the early years of the Ad's, there was a point in time, where a ruler would come up, and place this mark of the beast, which really was like a slip saying that you are loyal to the ruler, that did come up.

So basically this Ruler, despised Christians, and He killed them, and only those who served the Ruler, got the slip, to buy sell and trade. But those who didnt pledge their loyality to them, as Christians were not to do, would be killed, and starved, because they were not allowed to eat, and they were looked at as sicking and they killed them.




I.E. Nero caesar


If you don't believe that this happened that is fine but I will say that is all the mark of the beast was.

Hello MatthewG,

The fact is that we already have the technology supporting what scripture is literally saying regarding the mark. It states that the mark will go in the right hand or forehead and we currently have people being implanted under the skin of the hand. This implant will continue to evolve into the mark which will replace card swiping and any other method of electronic crediting and debiting.

You and the other preterists have to assign this to Nero and Rome, because if the mark is still future, then preterism comes falling down like a house of cards.

 

[garee]

The 666 the mark of the beast of the field is number assigned to natural man unconverted man .It has nothing to do with technology as some make technology their new gods. The mark that Cain said was to much to bear (eternal damnation)

And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear.Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.Gen 4:13

Its not a literal mark that someone takes on but a mark of a restless wanderer receiving no Sabbath rest from God all the days of their lives.A mark God uses to make sure the person is not killed but remains a restless wanderer who has sold spiritual truth and will not buy the gospel.Its a spiritual matter . Not a famine for buying and selling goods needed to survive. But rather the satisfying taste of hearing the gospel of our rest .

Amo 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:

 

[iamsoandso]

lol, do you use a debit card to buy and sell? I don't so to speak,lol that is I don't have one that I carry in my wallet because to me when they hand it to you they tell you to come up with a pin number and that it will be equivalent to you signing your name and you enter the number with your right hand.

I guess I’m stubborn to say the least I go to the bank and make a with drawl (good old cash) and use it to pay for gas and such. Now my wife and I have discussed this at length because she is bone of my bone flesh of my flesh and so she shakes her head at me and says "soandso,you get you s.s. sent to the bank,there's no other way they will send it to you,you file your taxes and it is sent to your account. You look up parts and have me buy them for you from the www and tell me to get it and I do with the debit card you refuse to carry,lol" I suppose she's right though when my hotspot goes out I get her to call the numbers and enter her/my number right in there and the internet just keeps on going.

I refuse to use credit. I have never financed a new car nor a house. I don't have a credit score and so I have to pay extra for car insurance and such where they go by your credit score to assess the cost(disc. based on religion?). I'm a pay as you go kind of guy and don't use anything like satellite TV or phones that require any type of contract. Phones is also another issue I used the old phones that plugged in but I don't carry a cell phone because it's in my opinion your personal tracking device.

Now once upon a time I could have said to the booger man of sin, "go fly a kite,I'll grow tomatoes and cows and use a hand pump for water" but at the moment I'm old,it takes about 3 acres of well farmed land per person and good weather to survive as a farmer. Now there was a time when there were farmers all over but in 2018 there are few who own farms. In 2018 if the booger man turned off the water and the lights and said "I'll make you a deal,I'll dip your finger in my blood and you touch your forehead and it will draw your fingerprint on the pad at Walmart", well who could argue?

How big is your yard is it 3 acres, is it as big as needed for the number of souls in your house? There's a patio garden in some city and all of the plants that could be stuffed into a patio are in full bloom but they may as well be spices because they need a patio 3 acres per soul per house to tell the booger man of sin to "go fly a kite".

 

[Ellsworth1943]

Hello MatthewG,

The fact is that we already have the technology supporting what scripture is literally saying regarding the mark. It states that the mark will go in the right hand or forehead and we currently have people being implanted under the skin of the hand. This implant will continue to evolve into the mark which will replace card swiping and any other method of electronic crediting and debiting.

You and the other preterists have to assign this to Nero and Rome, because if the mark is still future, then preterism comes falling down like a house of cards.

The mark is in the future when the man of sin comes.
I have doubts that todays technology has anything to do with it.
In order for this technology to work there must be electrical power and cell towers still standing.
There will be world wide war that may very well destroy power plants, power lines, and the fuel to operate them.
Also the sixth seals states that a great earthquake will come that will move every mountain, probably destroying cell towers, dams, and power plants.
I believe it will be a physical mark that all will see.
But, Scriptures only states where it will be, not what it will be.

 

[Ahwatukee]

The mark is in the future when the man of sin comes.
I have doubts that todays technology has anything to do with it.

Hello Ellsworth,

Do you think that something that everyone on the planet is going to have to receive in order to buy and sell would just pop up over night? Todays technology has everything to do with it. The mark is the very reason why we have an electronic crediting and debiting system.

I have been monitoring this ever since the first ATM's came out, followed by the UPC system, which was followed by the VeriFone and other devices which allow people to electronically credit and debit (buying and selling) their accounts via card swiping and now by chip implant.

This system has been evolving and no one, including you obviously, do not even recognize it. People are being conditioned to use electronic crediting and debiting so that when the mark comes it will not be that much of a transition. That and the fact that people are already tattooing and piercing themselves. And from what I've seen, people are actually eager to be chipped and that because of convenience.

Since we already have people being implanted under the skin of the hand for the purpose of making purchases, which is what the scripture states, your claim is moot, because the technology is already here and is providing exactly what scripture states. Sweden and her sister countries are already pretty much cashless and the other nations are following suit. This technology will continue to evolve leading up to the time of the antichrist. Around the middle of the seven years all other methods of buying and selling will become obsolete leaving the mark of the beast as the only valid method of electronic crediting and debiting, which is how he causes everyone to receive it.

Because the mark of the beast will be the only method of buying and selling, it will be that proverbial line being drawn in the sand, forcing the inhabitants of the earth to make a decision for either God or Satan. For we know what scripture states regarding those who receive it.

My concern is that, those who believe as you do will at that time receive that mark/implant so that they can continue doing their business, because they are expecting something else as the mark. The golden rule would be to not have anything implanted on ones person that has anything to do with buying or selling.

 

[iamsoandso]

lol, do you use a debit card to buy and sell? I don't so to speak,lol that is I don't have one that I carry in my wallet because to me when they hand it to you they tell you to come up with a pin number and that it will be equivalent to you signing your name and you enter the number with your right hand.

I guess I’m stubborn to say the least I go to the bank and make a with drawl (good old cash) and use it to pay for gas and such. Now my wife and I have discussed this at length because she is bone of my bone flesh of my flesh and so she shakes her head at me and says "soandso,you get you s.s. sent to the bank,there's no other way they will send it to you,you file your taxes and it is sent to your account. You look up parts and have me buy them for you from the www and tell me to get it and I do with the debit card you refuse to carry,lol" I suppose she's right though when my hotspot goes out I get her to call the numbers and enter her/my number right in there and the internet just keeps on going.

I refuse to use credit. I have never financed a new car nor a house. I don't have a credit score and so I have to pay extra for car insurance and such where they go by your credit score to assess the cost(disc. based on religion?). I'm a pay as you go kind of guy and don't use anything like satellite TV or phones that require any type of contract. Phones is also another issue I used the old phones that plugged in but I don't carry a cell phone because it's in my opinion your personal tracking device.

Now once upon a time I could have said to the booger man of sin, "go fly a kite,I'll grow tomatoes and cows and use a hand pump for water" but at the moment I'm old,it takes about 3 acres of well farmed land per person and good weather to survive as a farmer. Now there was a time when there were farmers all over but in 2018 there are few who own farms. In 2018 if the booger man turned off the water and the lights and said "I'll make you a deal,I'll dip your finger in my blood and you touch your forehead and it will draw your fingerprint on the pad at Walmart", well who could argue?

How big is your yard is it 3 acres, is it as big as needed for the number of souls in your house? There's a patio garden in some city and all of the plants that could be stuffed into a patio are in full bloom but they may as well be spices because they need a patio 3 acres per soul per house to tell the booger man of sin to "go fly a kite".

At some point now since it's "evolving into", "leading up to" where do we stop and say it's enough and stop buying and selling with the money is it when they hold us down and stick it in us?

 

[Alertandawake]

People are being conditioned to use electronic crediting and debiting so that when the mark comes it will not be that much of a transition. That and the fact that people are already tattooing and piercing themselves. And from what I've seen, people are actually eager to be chipped and that because of convenience.

Ah the convenience of opening a door via a chip scanner instead of the old fashioned method and inserting a key and opening the door knob. So it is hard for people to use their hand top open a door knob, but not difficult to place one's hand on a scanner to open a door.

Since we already have people being implanted under the skin of the hand for the purpose of making purchases, which is what the scripture states, your claim is moot, because the technology is already here and is providing exactly what scripture states.

And this is exactly what we are seeing today, we are seeing evidence of people using a chip implant for the purposes of paying for something.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Ah the convenience of opening a door via a chip scanner instead of the old fashioned method and inserting a key and opening the door knob. So it is hard for people to use their hand top open a door knob, but not difficult to place one's hand on a scanner to open a door.

It's not the convenience of opening a door, but it will and is the convenience of just being able to have your hand scanned to pay for a product or service.

And this is exactly what we are seeing today, we are seeing evidence of people using a chip implant for the purposes of paying for something.

Watch these videos demonstrating people making payments using a device under the skin of the hand and apply Rev.13:16-17

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...C5293894ECC971F10B69C5293894ECC971F&FORM=VIRE

Company to install microchips in employees

 

[Ahwatukee]

At some point now since it's "evolving into", "leading up to" where do we stop and say it's enough and stop buying and selling with the money is it when they hold us down and stick it in us?

No one will be holding you down to implant a person. People will be receiving it willingly because eventually electronic crediting and debiting via that device, will be the only way of making purchases.

Those who receive it will be aligning themselves with the beasts, those who reject it will do so out of love and the fear of God knowing that to receive that mark will be the ultimate rejection of God. Those who don't receive it will be enemies of the beast and his government.

Since the mark will eventually be the only way of performing electronic crediting and debiting, it will force everyone to make their own decision as to whether to receive it or reject it.

 

[iamsoandso]

No one will be holding you down to implant a person. People will be receiving it willingly because eventually electronic crediting and debiting via that device, will be the only way of making purchases.

Those who receive it will be aligning themselves with the beasts, those who reject it will do so out of love and the fear of God knowing that to receive that mark will be the ultimate rejection of God. Those who don't receive it will be enemies of the beast and his government.

Since the mark will eventually be the only way of performing electronic crediting and debiting, it will force everyone to make their own decision as to whether to receive it or reject it.

That's what I was referring to in Post #105 as to if I had already made the decision to do so...

 

[MatthewG]

I actually just wanted to comment on this.

You know back in the early years of the Ad's, there was a point in time, where a ruler would come up, and place this mark of the beast, which really was like a slip saying that you are loyal to the ruler, that did come up.

So basically this Ruler, despised Christians, and He killed them, and only those who served the Ruler, got the slip, to buy sell and trade. But those who didnt pledge their loyality to them, as Christians were not to do, would be killed, and starved, because they were not allowed to eat, and they were looked at as sicking and they killed them.

I.E. Nero caesar


If you don't believe that this happened that is fine but I will say that is all the mark of the beast was.

Well, I can't say the Mark of the Beast is for the future, people can though.
Since I come from a belief that believes everything in the whole bible has been completed.

This scripture right here is the only reason I know it was Nero who did it.

Revelation 1: 3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand-(near) (not far away).

4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia (We can see here that John is writting to seven churches in Asia (The Letter had everything from Revelation not just some of it): Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come (who is coming?) ; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;


Revelation 13: 17 And that no man might buy or sell (So a time came a long where a ruler, who raised up) , save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Let me ask you a question here on verse 18.

Imagine if you were way back then at one of these seven churches, and you received this letter with those who got it, and you was reading a long then you got to this point in letter, where it starts telling you hey look there is gonna be this thing going down, and I want you to know while we are already under heavy persecution, there is a man, and his number co-relates to Six Hundred threescore and six.

Would you see after this number to figure out who this Man it talks about here in this chapter of Revelation 13 to get more insight? If you was with them back then now, answer only pretending if you was back there and then.

What would you do?

Looking historically, you can find this information out, I'm very positive that you can find this information out if you are seeking to understand the bible, and truth.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Imagine if you were way back then at one of these seven churches, and you received this letter with those who got it, and you was reading a long then you got to this point in letter, where it starts telling you hey look there is gonna be this thing going down, and I want you to know while we are already under heavy persecution, there is a man, and his number co-relates to Six Hundred threescore and six.

Would you see after this number to figure out who this Man it talks about here in this chapter of Revelation 13 to get more insight? If you was with them back then now, answer only pretending if you was back there and then.

Just because something is written in the word of God, doesn't necessarily mean that it is going to be fulfilled within the nearest generation. There has to be proof of fulfillment. Let me give you an example:

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Wail, for theday of the Lord is near; it will come like destruction from the Almighty. Because of this, all hands will go limp; every man’s heart will melt. Terror will seize them, pain and anguish will grip them; they will writhe like a woman in labor. They will look aghast at each other, their faces aflame. - Isaiah 13:6-8

Isaiah 13:9-13 See, the day of the Lord is coming -a cruel day, with wrath and fierce anger--to make the land desolate and destroy the sinners within it. The stars of heaven and their constellations will not show their light.

The rising sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light.
I will punish the world for its evil, the wicked for their sins.
I will put an end to the arrogance of the haughty and will humble the pride of the ruthless.
I will make man scarcer than pure gold, rarer than the gold of Ophir.

Therefore I will make the heavens tremble; and the earth will shake from its place at the wrath of the Lord Almighty, in the day of His burning anger.

"Alas for that day! For the day of the Lord is near; it will come like destruction from the Almighty" - Joel 1:15

"Blow the trumpet in Zion; sound the alarm on my holy hill. Let all who live in the land tremble, for the day of the Lord is coming. It is close at hand." - Joel 2:1-2

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Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. - 1 Thes.5:1

"Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come.

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So in the scriptures above, we have Isaiah and Joel from the OT and Paul in the NT, all referring to the same period of God's wrath known as "the day of the Lord." There is about 900 years or so between Isaiah's prophecy regarding "the Day of the Lord" and Paul's mention of the coming "day of the Lord."

Both Isaiah and Joel proclaim that "the day of the Lord is near," yet, we have Paul speaking about that same "day of the Lord" as being future to him. If the day of the lord was near when Isaiah and Joel were prophesying about it, then according to you because of the word "near" it should have taken place around Isaiah's and Joel's generation. Yet we have Paul speaking about the same time period as still being future from when he wrote it.

You have to understand that there is prophecy which is meant to take place in the future. The different scriptures that I provided above prove, since we have both Isaiah and Joel stating that "the day of the Lord is near" and we have Paul referring to the same event about 900 years later.

The Day of the Lord is what the book of Revelation is about. It is the time when God's direct wrath will be poured out on mankind just before the Lord returns to the earth to end the age. The seals, trumpets and bowl judgments are how God is going to carry out that time of wrath.

So obviously the phrase "is near" has a different meaning than next week, next month, next year, etc.

You need to remove yourself from that preterist belief, because it is not in agreement with the word of God by any means.

 

[MatthewG]

Your view,

Make it out the way you want it friend.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Your view,

Make it out the way you want it friend.

You remind me of somebody who is brainwashed! Do you even consider the proof of scripture and the comparisons that I give you. "Make it out the way you want it friend" is an obvious cop-out. It appears that no matter what proof you are given, you circumvent and dodge them all.

At least answer the question as to how both Isaiah and Joel can be prophesying regarding the day of the Lord being near and Paul speaking about the same day and yet they are 900 years apart? Do you have a scriptural answer for that? And before you say that they are two different days of the Lord, I would remind you that both Isaiah Joel mention the event of the 6th seal written in Revelaton, which supports that all three are speaking of the same event.

If it the day of the Lord was near when Isaiah and Joel wrote, then how could Paul speak of it as being future from his time?

Can you answer that or are you a preterist zombie just repeating what they say?

 

[MatthewG]

Just because something is written in the word of God, doesn't necessarily mean that it is going to be fulfilled within the nearest generation. There has to be proof of fulfillment. Let me give you an example:

I believe Jesus Christ, and what He said and the generation He was talking to, not what you can tell me or what you concieve to be the right understanding. I don't mind how long you have studied scripture, or anything like that it doesnt mean you know more that I do. Because there is a lot I don't know, and Ill admit that.

My favorite topics have always related to Revelation/The Lord Jesus Christ Return/Hell/Lake of Fire/ and Eternal Punishment. These are some of my favorite topics I do love to talk about. But If you can't strip your self down enough to maybe take a step back, and actually really read the bible in what it is telling you for what is worth, your eyes might open.

But you would probably lose Hope, if you do not know the value of having Christ Jesus in your life now.

Espically if your still waiting on Jesus Christ Returning. His return as already happened, and all this mark of the beast is over.

Gives you freedom, to enjoy life and to Love God and to Others!!

Freedom in Christ Jesus, no more burdens! (even though burdens come and go in real life)

And there are people who see differently like our brother Ahwatukee.

I can't respond to any of your questions, because everything has been fulfilled with-in Jesus Christ coming, and died, and rasied again until his return.


The old testament was about the coming messiah, who would end up destorying the old way things where, making all things new again. The old test was way before Jesus Christ came along, then you have Jesus Christ standing on the mount of olives, talking about hey look these temples are gonna be thrown down, you will see a great tribulation, then shall I appear.

This probably didn't even answer your question dear friend.


But you are the one who makes generation for yourself to mean today, not me.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Your view,

Make it out the way you want it friend.

Also, and as I continue to make known, it is not my view, but is according to scripture. There can only be one view of how end-time events take place. What I have been sharing with you comes from cross-referencing and comparing scripture. It is not someone else's view or from an established view, but from my own personal studied.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Also, and as I continue to make known, it is not my view, but is according to scripture. There can only be one view of how end-time events take place. What I have been sharing with you comes from cross-referencing and comparing scripture. It is not someone else's view or from an established view, but from my own personal studied.

All the electronic chip implant technology is not a definite in scripture. I'm not a Preterist, I'm not even sure what that is. I'm still trying to talk sense from a Biblical standpoint without all the wild tangents people go off on. And without being dismissed and lectured like a child who has never opened a Bible and read it. It would be nice to actually DISCUSS end time prophecy. If there is only one view,you are missing a huge chunk of it.

 

[Ahwatukee]

My favorite topics have always related to Revelation/The Lord Jesus Christ Return/Hell/Lake of Fire/ and Eternal Punishment. These are some of my favorite topics I do love to talk about. But If you can't strip your self down enough to maybe take a step back, and actually really read the bible in what it is telling you for what is worth, your eyes might open.

Sir, this is exactly what I have been doing for over 40 years, that is, really reading the Bible. The Sprit lead me to study end-time events from the time I believed in Christ. Since then I have been camped out in this book and all the related scriptures. So what you are suggesting is something that I am doing and have always done.

The problem is that you have gotten involved with the preterist view and you don't have enough study in end-time events to be teaching other people about it.

If you believe that Jesus has already come, you are in for one heck of a wake up call, because all of the signs in Matt.24 must take place, as well as all of the events of wrath contained in the book of Revelation.

I have given you many things to consider, but you won't look into them and so I will not bother you any more. I will say this: Keep watching the world and you will begin to see people beginning to make purchases by having their hands scanned. When you see this, understand that this is the technology which the mark of the beast will utilize. And if the mark of the beast is just coming about, then the Lord could not have possibly already returned, because scripture has the beast thrown into the lake of fire alive after Jesus returns.