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[Zmouth]

Christ gave this example not because eating the shewbread and eating corn are the same exact thing, but because they're similar in that they were both "unlawful". Again, it wasn't "lawful" for anybody but the priests to eat the shewbread and it wasn't "lawful" for the disciples to be plucking corn on the Sabbath in that such could constitute working on the Sabbath.

Say what? So eating is unlawful on the Sabbath?

 

[JesusistheChrist]

Say what? So eating is unlawful on the Sabbath?

Where did I say that "eating is unlawful on the Sabbath"?

Did you even bother reading what you "quoted"?

I said that it was unlawful for anybody but the priests to eat the showbread in David's case and that it was unlawful for the disciples to be PLUCKING CORN ON THE SABBATH IN THAT SUCH COULD CONSTITUTE WORKING ON THE SABBATH.

 

[Zmouth]

Where did I say that "eating is unlawful on the Sabbath"?

Did you even bother reading what you "quoted"?

I said that it was unlawful for anybody but the priests to eat the showbread in David's case and that it was unlawful for the disciples to be PLUCKING CORN ON THE SABBATH IN THAT SUCH COULD CONSTITUTE WORKING ON THE SABBATH.

The priest gave the shewbread to David, the disciple's plucked the corn from somebody's field.

 

[stabbo]

Mark 2:25-28 ESV

And he said to them, “Have you never read what David did, when he was in need and was hungry, he and those who were with him: how he entered the house of God, in the time of Abiathar the high priest, and ate the bread of the Presence, which it is not lawful for any but the priests to eat, and also gave it to those who were with him?” And he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath.”

Can someone explain these verses to me? Why does Jesus use David as an example?

Can I PM you JF for a chat, I'd like to get to know you better.

 

[john832]

Where did I say that "eating is unlawful on the Sabbath"?

Did you even bother reading what you "quoted"?

I said that it was unlawful for anybody but the priests to eat the showbread in David's case and that it was unlawful for the disciples to be PLUCKING CORN ON THE SABBATH IN THAT SUCH COULD CONSTITUTE WORKING ON THE SABBATH.

And that is simply wrong. If it were unlawful to pick and eat grain (it wasn't maize by the way) then Christ would not have allowed them to do it.

Luk 6:1 And it came to pass on the second sabbath after the first, that he went through the corn fields; and his disciples plucked the ears of corn, and did eat, rubbing them in their hands.
Luk 6:2 And certain of the Pharisees said unto them, Why do ye that which is not lawful to do on the sabbath days?

Rubbing them in their hands - The word “corn” here means wheat or barley, and not maize, as in America. They rubbed it in their hands to separate the grain from the chaff. This was common and allowable. Dr. Thomson (“The Land and the Book,” vol. ii. p. 510, 511) says: “I have often seen my muleteers, as we passed along the wheat fields, pluck off ears, rub them in their hands, and eat the grains, unroasted, just as the apostles are said to have done. This also is allowable. The Pharisees did not object to the thing itself, only to the time when it was done. They said it was not lawful to do this on the Sabbath-day. It was work forbidden by those who, through their traditions, had made man for the Sabbath, not the Sabbath for man.” So Professor Hackett (“Illustrations of Scripture,” p. 176, 177) says: “The incident of plucking the ears of wheat, rubbing out the kernels in their hands, and eating them Luk_6:1, is one which the traveler sees often at present who is in Palestine at the time of the gathering of the harvest. Dr. Robinson relates the following case: ‘Our Arabs were an hungered, and, going into the fields, they plucked the ears of grain and did eat, rubbing them in their hands. On being questioned, they said this was an old custom, and no one would speak against it; they were supposed to be hungry, and it was allowed as a charity.’ The Pharisees complained of the disciples for violating the Sabbath, and not any rights of property.” - Albert Barnes

You do know that the accusation was that they were harvesting and winnowing grain on the Sabbath, don't you?

The disciples were walking through the field, and as they walked they picked heads of grain, rubbed them in their hands to remove the chaff, then ate the kernels. Requiring almost no effort, this could hardly be construed as work. Yet the Pharisees, who were among the most strict in their rules concerning the Sabbath, viewed the disciples' actions as "reaping" and "threshing," which were among the 39 categories of work forbidden on that day. Although these actions did not violate God's Sabbath commandment, they did violate the Pharisees' man-made regulations. The Pharisees viewed the disciples' conduct as "not lawful on the Sabbath" and criticized them for it.

 

[john832]

The priest gave the shewbread to David, the disciple's plucked the corn from somebody's field.

And that is relevant how?

 

[Zmouth]

14 Thou shalt not remove thy neighbour's landmark, which they of old time have set in thine inheritance, which thou shalt inherit in the land that the LORD thy God giveth thee to possess it.
Deut 19:14

The disciples were walking through the field,

From the description given, it doesn't sound like they where cutting the corners but simply walking over the property that someone owned.

 

[john832]

14 Thou shalt not remove thy neighbour's landmark, which they of old time have set in thine inheritance, which thou shalt inherit in the land that the LORD thy God giveth thee to possess it.
Deut 19:14



From the description given, it doesn't sound like they where cutting the corners but simply walking over the property that someone owned.

You missed the rest of the story...

Deu 23:24 When thou comest into thy neighbour's vineyard, then thou mayest eat grapes thy fill at thine own pleasure; but thou shalt not put any in thy vessel.
Deu 23:25 When thou comest into the standing corn of thy neighbour, then thou mayest pluck the ears with thine hand; but thou shalt not move a sickle unto thy neighbour's standing corn.

In fact, it was unlawful to take every grain of wheat, barley, etc from your fields. You were REQUIRED to leave some standing for others to glean...

Lev 23:22 And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not make clean riddance of the corners of thy field when thou reapest, neither shalt thou gather any gleaning of thy harvest: thou shalt leave them unto the poor, and to the stranger: I am the LORD your God.

 

[JesusistheChrist]

And that is simply wrong. If it were unlawful to pick and eat grain (it wasn't maize by the way) then Christ would not have allowed them to do it.

Luk 6:1 And it came to pass on the second sabbath after the first, that he went through the corn fields; and his disciples plucked the ears of corn, and did eat, rubbing them in their hands.
Luk 6:2 And certain of the Pharisees said unto them, Why do ye that which is not lawful to do on the sabbath days?



You do know that the accusation was that they were harvesting and winnowing grain on the Sabbath, don't you?

I hate to have to ask this, but do you have reading comprehension problems?

I mean, you keep on "quoting" me and then arguing against what you think that I've written while apparently being unable to read and comprehend what I've actually said.

I said that IT WAS UNLAWFUL BECAUSE WHAT THEY WERE DOING COULD BE CONSIDERED AS WORKING ON THE SABBATH.

Let's see if you can get it this time, okay?

 

[Zmouth]

You missed the rest of the story...

Deu 23:24 When thou comest into thy neighbour's vineyard, then thou mayest eat grapes thy fill at thine own pleasure; but thou shalt not put any in thy vessel.
Deu 23:25 When thou comest into the standing corn of thy neighbour, then thou mayest pluck the ears with thine hand; but thou shalt not move a sickle unto thy neighbour's standing corn.

In fact, it was unlawful to take every grain of wheat, barley, etc from your fields. You were REQUIRED to leave some standing for others to glean...

Lev 23:22 And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not make clean riddance of the corners of thy field when thou reapest, neither shalt thou gather any gleaning of thy harvest: thou shalt leave them unto the poor, and to the stranger: I am the LORD your God.

So how would that translate today, when your neighbor enters your house, then he could gather all your electronics at his pleasure to pawn for a few bucks to eat on, as long as he didn't use a cart while taking them.

Of when your neighbors enters your shop, they could take all the tools they could carry as long as they did put them in their pockets?

I recall meeting with the City building director in the town I lived regarding a fence permit they had issued on a Friday morning and within 2 hours had called rescinding it. The fence was to block access to my property by a neighbor that dumping debris on it. A city employee was telling the neighbor that he had the city's permission after catching the neighbor on couple of occasions dumping stuff.

While I limited my comments to simply dumping was occurring and the fence permit was for a fence on my property I was told that a permit couldn't be approved I could show in the International Codification of Municipal ordinances where it specifically stated a property owner could install a fence. I was familiar that particular code in the Codification, but I asked where did it superficially prohibited a permit being from being issued, which it didn't.

At which point the City director commented in the form of question, you realize that really don't own that property. {The legal deed is in my name] But I told that yeah I know, Jesus owns it but he put custodianship of it to me at which point I got the strangest look, like what WTH you talking about, which at that point I understood what the LORD was saying about the Corpus Municipalis of Rome and why Jesus was basically homeless after the Son of man had gathered him to be baptized in wilderness.

So yes if a neighbor invites me onto their property and offers "get all you want" Deut 23:24 and 25 I would grace the offer with humility and temperance and the seeing how the whole field is His in Lev 23, if He said give the corners I wouldn't disrespect the instruction by narrowing the word if the corner taken wasn't the corner, yet I wonder how many would consider that they have given anything by allowing the poor to glean the corners?

 

[Hizikyah]

You missed the rest of the story...

Deu 23:24 When thou comest into thy neighbour's vineyard, then thou mayest eat grapes thy fill at thine own pleasure; but thou shalt not put any in thy vessel.
Deu 23:25 When thou comest into the standing corn of thy neighbour, then thou mayest pluck the ears with thine hand; but thou shalt not move a sickle unto thy neighbour's standing corn.

In fact, it was unlawful to take every grain of wheat, barley, etc from your fields. You were REQUIRED to leave some standing for others to glean...

Lev 23:22 And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not make clean riddance of the corners of thy field when thou reapest, neither shalt thou gather any gleaning of thy harvest: thou shalt leave them unto the poor, and to the stranger: I am the LORD your God.

by this we know we should share some of our "harvest" (groceries/abundance/disposable income/etc) with the needy.


1 John 5:2-3 (ESV), "By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome."

 

[john832]

I hate to have to ask this, but do you have reading comprehension problems?

I mean, you keep on "quoting" me and then arguing against what you think that I've written while apparently being unable to read and comprehend what I've actually said.

I said that IT WAS UNLAWFUL BECAUSE WHAT THEY WERE DOING COULD BE CONSIDERED AS WORKING ON THE SABBATH.

Let's see if you can get it this time, okay?

What exactly were they doing that was unlawful? (According to scripture)

 

[JesusistheChrist]

What exactly were they doing that was unlawful? (According to scripture)

Seriously?

I'm not answering the same question over and over and over again...

 

[john832]

Seriously?

I'm not answering the same question over and over and over again...

The only law they were breaking was that of the Jews. The accusation was that of threshing grain on the Sabbath.

 

[KJV1611]

Mark 2:25-28 ESV

And he said to them, “Have you never read what David did, when he was in need and was hungry, he and those who were with him: how he entered the house of God, in the time of Abiathar the high priest, and ate the bread of the Presence, which it is not lawful for any but the priests to eat, and also gave it to those who were with him?” And he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath.”

Can someone explain these verses to me? Why does Jesus use David as an example?

Jesus is showing us that David was a saved by grace born again believer just like we are today. David was blameless because he didn't break the law. It was lawful for a priest to eat the shewbread. The shewbread was a foreshadow of the Bread of Life. According to Revelation 1:6 David was a king and priest.


Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
Rev 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

 

[Nick01]

If it cannot be considered unlawful for them to pick the grain, the comparison to the story of David does not make a lot of sense, particularly when Jesus explicitly says that it was not lawful for David to eat the bread. What, then, is the point of comparing to another activity that was definitely 'unlawful', if the activity you are participating in is not lawful anyway?

I think the most sensible interpretation is that, under the letter of the law, it was unlawful for them to pick grain, but point of the Sabbatical law is it serves mankind, not the other way around.

Also worth noting Jesus finishes with the trump card, "I am the Lord of the Sabbath". In other words, it is he who decides what is lawful or not lawful.