Maybe the Pauline Epistles Shouldn't be in the Bible
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sure......... when jesus was in the synagogue and taught all things from the sciptures concerning Him (isaiah 53).........
john 3:16 is a famous passage as you know and the entire gospel of john is written so that people may believe Jesus is the son of God and believing this be saved...............
[FONT="]John 11:25 [/FONT][FONT="]"I am the resurrection, and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live."[/FONT]
john 3:16 is a famous passage as you know and the entire gospel of john is written so that people may believe Jesus is the son of God and believing this be saved...............
[FONT="]John 11:25 [/FONT][FONT="]"I am the resurrection, and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live."[/FONT]
Nothing about His death, burial and resurrection for sins in any of those passages. Without Paul's epistles, we wouldn't have that understanding. See 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.
Luke 18
31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.
32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:
33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.
That's the outline of our gospel unto salvation, is it not? Yet...
34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.
Luke 18
31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.
32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:
33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.
That's the outline of our gospel unto salvation, is it not? Yet...
34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.
Paul's writings are good
Because you know they are actually written by Paul
And they are supported by Peter
And both are supported by Luke with Acts
Since Acts is written by Luke and supports Peter and Paul
This supports Luke's Gospel which support the others
Which supports John, the Revelation, and his letters
Which all supports also James and Jude
In this way the whole New Testament supports itself and each other
Which makes it canonical and highly veritable
Then we consider the Gospels and Jesus' words
These support Ezra, Nehemiah, and the prophets
And the prophets support and coincide with the Chronicles and the Kings
And the Kings' chronicles support the Psalms and Proverbs and the Ecclesiastes
And the Proverbs and Ecclesiastes penned by Solomon support his dad
David whom wrote the Psalms
And David's very life supports the books of Samuel
And Samuel was the last Judge and supports the book of that name
And since the Judges being supported this take us back to Joshua
And Joshua being realized takes us back to the later parts of the Torah
And the later parts of the Torah brings us to Moses back to his story in Exodus
Which Exodus being supported brings us to the Genesis
In this way Paul's foolishness bears so much great wisdom
Setting a seal upon the entire volume
An integral piece that makes the many Books
Into one coherent story from the beginning of time
To the present and the future and the end
It is a good quote consider from Isaiah
"Precept must be upon precept and line upon line"
Because you know they are actually written by Paul
And they are supported by Peter
And both are supported by Luke with Acts
Since Acts is written by Luke and supports Peter and Paul
This supports Luke's Gospel which support the others
Which supports John, the Revelation, and his letters
Which all supports also James and Jude
In this way the whole New Testament supports itself and each other
Which makes it canonical and highly veritable
Then we consider the Gospels and Jesus' words
These support Ezra, Nehemiah, and the prophets
And the prophets support and coincide with the Chronicles and the Kings
And the Kings' chronicles support the Psalms and Proverbs and the Ecclesiastes
And the Proverbs and Ecclesiastes penned by Solomon support his dad
David whom wrote the Psalms
And David's very life supports the books of Samuel
And Samuel was the last Judge and supports the book of that name
And since the Judges being supported this take us back to Joshua
And Joshua being realized takes us back to the later parts of the Torah
And the later parts of the Torah brings us to Moses back to his story in Exodus
Which Exodus being supported brings us to the Genesis
In this way Paul's foolishness bears so much great wisdom
Setting a seal upon the entire volume
An integral piece that makes the many Books
Into one coherent story from the beginning of time
To the present and the future and the end
It is a good quote consider from Isaiah
"Precept must be upon precept and line upon line"
In not sure that is fair to say because the very WORDS of GOD which made it into the canon were those works that would lead any reader to the knowledge that salvation comes by faith in and through and because of CHRIST JESUS
That is what the church fathers wanted to ensure
that any baby seeking the truth would enter in by way of THE DOOR
First and foremost
and that DOOR is Christ Jesus
A lot of the apocryphal texts imply that one need only cling to JESUS' teachings as if JESUS' is but any other wisdom teacher, no different than a Plato, an Aristotle, denying HIS DIVINTY as GOD in the flesh
those church teachers, led by THE SPIRIT, had their eyes more on babies and thAt is why the WORDS of GOD which made it into the canon are those words that represent the TRUE TESTIMONY of JESUS
That is what the church fathers wanted to ensure
that any baby seeking the truth would enter in by way of THE DOOR
First and foremost
and that DOOR is Christ Jesus
A lot of the apocryphal texts imply that one need only cling to JESUS' teachings as if JESUS' is but any other wisdom teacher, no different than a Plato, an Aristotle, denying HIS DIVINTY as GOD in the flesh
those church teachers, led by THE SPIRIT, had their eyes more on babies and thAt is why the WORDS of GOD which made it into the canon are those words that represent the TRUE TESTIMONY of JESUS
But I do agree that some church leaders thought that common folk could not read the Bible and thought to be the middle man interpreter between a man's relationship with THE FATHER through THE SON when in truth All can come directly to HIM
to learn of HIM and should
those who seek shall find
those who ask it shall be given
those who knock the DOOR shall be opened and HE will come in and eat/fellowship with that man and that man with HIM
and that man will learn of HIM from HIM
to learn of HIM and should
those who seek shall find
those who ask it shall be given
those who knock the DOOR shall be opened and HE will come in and eat/fellowship with that man and that man with HIM
and that man will learn of HIM from HIM
Yes true but not the complete story. There have always been sects since the early church even when they didn't have "the Bible" so the grumbling of the RCC is grandstanding and control measures IMHO. There would still be sects today had apostate Rome been the ruling entity. Those who hold to sound truth are considered a sect by it as well.
Never had a problem with the writings of Paul, from day one they have all been crystal clear to me. If I was going to question any book or books of the bible(I say IF), then it would be parts of James and parts of Revelation. I understand when they put the bible together there were some who protested about including both James and Revelation...I think I can see their point, both of these books have some things that seem contrary to the rest of the NT.
Paul has definitely been hacked. It is obvious that Paul wrote to the Thess about the gathering of the church that Jesus had already given the church through the apostles, yet hackers insist on claiming otherwise with no evidence at all. Paul claimed to have received his message straight from Jesus Himself in Person, so if Paul told the truth then his doctrine was the doctrine of God.
You let on like you do not accept God's Apostle, Paul and the things God said thru His Apostle Paul... which would have been rejecting God's Word which is something thoe on their way to hell would be doing... which is something God's Word teaches (reject Jesus = go to heLL)
So, good for you man...glad to see you've come to your sense and have repented of this satanic foolishness
They have a rather large discussion forum built around this topic of Paul not being of God and I went in there once and informed them that they were nuts! Needless to say, they gave me the left foot of fellowship opting instead to keep entertaining the devil.
No, the Lord has healed me... so my butt feels just fine, although it is cracked... thanks for asking though, even though it's rather odd that a man would be so focused on another man's butt.
Yeah, claiming Paul is not an Apostle of the Lord and his writing are to be removed from the Bible is certainly an attention getter
So, good for you man...glad to see you've come to your sense and have repented of this satanic foolishness
They have a rather large discussion forum built around this topic of Paul not being of God and I went in there once and informed them that they were nuts! Needless to say, they gave me the left foot of fellowship opting instead to keep entertaining the devil.
No, the Lord has healed me... so my butt feels just fine, although it is cracked... thanks for asking though, even though it's rather odd that a man would be so focused on another man's butt.
Yeah, claiming Paul is not an Apostle of the Lord and his writing are to be removed from the Bible is certainly an attention getter
2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness
You obviously believe God is weak, inept, and incapable of controlling the content of His official Book.
That's not going to end well for you...
No, you're confusing the true Jesus with that false jesus running around adding to and taking away from that which God had to say. It's the same jesus teaching all this false grace that's been going around and is part of the error the ord warned about that would be coming in the end times.
If you are accepting teaching from non canon books as being from the Lord... then you are begging to be deceived which appears to have happened already by virtue of the fact that you are going outside of God's Word to hear from god... and that's who you'll be hearing from, god with a little "g" as in god of this world, satan, ol slewfoot, that old serpent, the dragon... enjoy your trip!
If we're going to play this game... show my what scripture God said snorting cocaine is a sin... you can't cause he didn't, so if we follow your logic then we can all snort cocaine and God will be good with it since after all... He never specifically said snorting cocaine was wrong did He???
Wisdom is hidden for the righteous... which is why some don't catch on...
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness
You obviously believe God is weak, inept, and incapable of controlling the content of His official Book.
That's not going to end well for you...
No, you're confusing the true Jesus with that false jesus running around adding to and taking away from that which God had to say. It's the same jesus teaching all this false grace that's been going around and is part of the error the ord warned about that would be coming in the end times.
If you are accepting teaching from non canon books as being from the Lord... then you are begging to be deceived which appears to have happened already by virtue of the fact that you are going outside of God's Word to hear from god... and that's who you'll be hearing from, god with a little "g" as in god of this world, satan, ol slewfoot, that old serpent, the dragon... enjoy your trip!
If we're going to play this game... show my what scripture God said snorting cocaine is a sin... you can't cause he didn't, so if we follow your logic then we can all snort cocaine and God will be good with it since after all... He never specifically said snorting cocaine was wrong did He???
Wisdom is hidden for the righteous... which is why some don't catch on...
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i base my opinions on a few things. i hear tongues unlocks a special unique connection to the Most High. there were others that sought this kind of union, monks, desert fathers, special vows, etc. they believed this special union could only be obtained through self sacrifice, prayer, fasting, isolation. tongues was not part of it. the tongue people today i see working 40 hr jobs, shopping, watching tv, etc. not the same devotion.
