Millennial Week fulfilled by Byzantine Empire ?

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Widdekind

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According to the Septuagint, employed by the Byzantine Empire of Christian Constantinople, Creation occurred c.5500 BC. (The Jewish Masoretic text removes c.2000 years, to remove mention, of the Christian era.)

Early Christians believed that God's "redemptive re-creation" of humankind began with Adam, and would take seven Divine days, each of a thousand years (Ps 94 = 2 Pet 3), and the last of which would be the Millennial Sabbath, of the Millennium Reign, of Christian Saints on earth, before the Second Coming & Judgement (Rev 20):

early Christians believed in a so-called Millennial Sabbath... that 6,000 years of human history would elapse, from the creation of Adam, before Christ’s millennial reign. At the end of 7,000 years God would form the new heavens and new earth. Numerous early Christians wrote about this concept... the early Christian and Jewish writers believed that the Bible taught that Christ would return to set up His kingdom at the end of six thousand years from the creation of Adam. During the first three hundred years of the Christian Era it was virtually the universal opinion of the early Christian writers that the apostles and the Bible taught that the six days of creation were a microcosm of the Great Week of six thousand years of man’s history.

(Peterson. Millennium Chronology.)

Thus, early Christians expected that the Millennium Reign would begin c.500 AD, and end c.1500 AD. I.e.

Millennium (Rev 20:1-6) = 5th - 15th centuries AD = Byzantine Empire​

Indeed, the Church converted the pagan Roman empire to Christianity (Rev 19), in the 4th century AD, during the days of Constantine (legalized Christianity) and Theodosius (mandated Christianity). Thus, the Byzantine Empire fulfilled the ancient expectations, of Judeo-Christian Prophesies, when Christian Constantinople reigned, over the eastern Mediterranean, from the 5th - 15th centuries AD.

The Apostles preached a "Millennial Week" theology, and their predictions came to pass. The modern era is the "seven-and-a-halfth Divine day", after the "Millennial Sabbath" which is the "Millennium Reign", during the End Times (Rev 20:7-9), on the "Scriptural eve" of the Second Coming & Judgement (Rev 20:9+).



Seven day theory or seven thousand years from creation theory
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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first of all the chronology of the hebrew masoretic text is correct and the septuagint's chronology is wrong...most likely the septuagint translators deliberately added centuries to their chronology in order to make it line up better with pagan myths and histories...

secondly the 7,000 year scheme you mention was not universally accepted in the early church...just as many if not more of the early christians rejected it...

finally the byzantine empire was in no way ruled by christ...this is just a romantic picture of byzantium that certain churches have tried to promote...in fact the byzantine empire and its church were overflowing with corruption and intrigue...it was basically all downhill after constantine...

i believe the 'millennium' probably began with the earthly ministry of jesus...i have abandoned the idea that it is a literal 1,000 years...
 
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first of all the chronology of the hebrew masoretic text is correct and the septuagint's chronology is wrong...most likely the septuagint translators deliberately added centuries to their chronology in order to make it line up better with pagan myths and histories...

secondly the 7,000 year scheme you mention was not universally accepted in the early church...just as many if not more of the early christians rejected it...

finally the byzantine empire was in no way ruled by christ...this is just a romantic picture of byzantium that certain churches have tried to promote...in fact the byzantine empire and its church were overflowing with corruption and intrigue...it was basically all downhill after constantine...

i believe the 'millennium' probably began with the earthly ministry of jesus...i have abandoned the idea that it is a literal 1,000 years...
Well it's been almost 2,00 years since Christ walked the earth. The millennium reign of Christ, begins at His second coming. The lion that Caiaphas and the pharisees were looking for.
 
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Widdekind

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no, not true

Revelation is symbolic, images represent reality, but must first be "translated" or "decoded". Every image in Revelation is (seemingly) like a hieroglyph, that must be "translated" to read what is meant.

The Christ-like-warrior of Rev 19, who ushers in the Millennium of Rev 20, is such a symbol.

Christ = Church
sword-tongue = preach Gospel
slay foes = Baptize converts (who "die" to world)

Thus, Rev 19 does NOT represent the Second Coming of Christ with the Throne of God (Rev 20:9+). Instead, Rev 19 symbolizes the spiritual victory of the Christian Church, over the pagan Roman empire, in the 4th century AD.

The spiritual victory of the Church began the Millennium, which was the medieval era, when the Byzantine Empire reigned on earth, from Christian Constantinople; and when Christianity dominated the western world.

The modern era is the End Times of Apostasy (Rev 20:7-9), when anti-Christian forces marshall global international opposition to the Church.

Well it's been almost 2,00 years since Christ walked the earth. The millennium reign of Christ, begins at His second coming. The lion that Caiaphas and the pharisees were looking for.
 
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1still_waters

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According to the Septuagint, employed by the Byzantine Empire of Christian Constantinople, Creation occurred c.5500 BC. (The Jewish Masoretic text removes c.2000 years, to remove mention, of the Christian era.)

Early Christians believed that God's "redemptive re-creation" of humankind began with Adam, and would take seven Divine days, each of a thousand years (Ps 94 = 2 Pet 3), and the last of which would be the Millennial Sabbath, of the Millennium Reign, of Christian Saints on earth, before the Second Coming & Judgement (Rev 20):
early Christians believed in a so-called Millennial Sabbath... that 6,000 years of human history would elapse, from the creation of Adam, before Christ’s millennial reign. At the end of 7,000 years God would form the new heavens and new earth. Numerous early Christians wrote about this concept... the early Christian and Jewish writers believed that the Bible taught that Christ would return to set up His kingdom at the end of six thousand years from the creation of Adam. During the first three hundred years of the Christian Era it was virtually the universal opinion of the early Christian writers that the apostles and the Bible taught that the six days of creation were a microcosm of the Great Week of six thousand years of man’s history.

(Peterson. Millennium Chronology.)

Thus, early Christians expected that the Millennium Reign would begin c.500 AD, and end c.1500 AD. I.e.

Millennium (Rev 20:1-6) = 5th - 15th centuries AD = Byzantine Empire​

Indeed, the Church converted the pagan Roman empire to Christianity (Rev 19), in the 4th century AD, during the days of Constantine (legalized Christianity) and Theodosius (mandated Christianity). Thus, the Byzantine Empire fulfilled the ancient expectations, of Judeo-Christian Prophesies, when Christian Constantinople reigned, over the eastern Mediterranean, from the 5th - 15th centuries AD.

The Apostles preached a "Millennial Week" theology, and their predictions came to pass. The modern era is the "seven-and-a-halfth Divine day", after the "Millennial Sabbath" which is the "Millennium Reign", during the End Times (Rev 20:7-9), on the "Scriptural eve" of the Second Coming & Judgement (Rev 20:9+).



Seven day theory or seven thousand years from creation theory
Seems plausible. It would account for a literal millennium in the past.

Thanks for sharing
 
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1still you believe that jargon. You know good as well that I do that's it's been almost 2000 years since Jesus walked the earth.
 
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1still_waters

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1still you believe that jargon. You know good as well that I do that's it's been almost 2000 years since Jesus walked the earth.
Well. Ok. Maybe there was a spiritual millennium in the past. In rev the 1000 years is followed by the unbinding of Satan. That sure would explain a lot. It's way more plausible than premill dispensational gobbly mess.
 
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Widdekind

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Seems plausible. It would account for a literal millennium in the past.

Thanks for sharing
Prima facie, unless you want to deny the overall, general-if-not-always-specific, accuracy-if-not-precision, of Revelation -- in which case, nothing anybody says will make any difference -- then Revelation accurately forecasted the overall general contours, of human history, for the past 2000 years. In sci-fi analogy, "God in heaven" seems to have accurately calculated a "psycho-historical" forecast, of human history, which humans have followed and brought to pass, over the past 2000 years (600 more, if you include Daniel):


  1. Tribulation (Rev 1-19) = persecutions of pagan emperors (Nero, Domitian, Decius, Diocletian) = 1st - 4th centuries AD
  2. Millennium (Rev 20:1-6) = Byzantine empire of Christian Constantinople = to 15th century AD
  3. Apostasy (Rev 20:7-9) = Renaissance, secular humanism, Communism = to today
  4. Judgement (Rev 20:9+) = future

The modern era of Apostasy could be called "Re-Tribulation" or "Tribulation II". As in the original Tribulation era, in ancient times, Satan is (again) un-bound, to manipulate mankind.

In the original "Tribulation I", Satan recruited only the "Beast of the abyss (sea)", symbolizing the Roman empire reigning over the Mediterranean sea. Satan's schemes were regional.

But, during the present "Tribulation II", Satan recruits "Gog & Magog", symbolizing nearly everybody (on earth). Since the opposition to the Church, today, is global & inter-national (e.g. Marxism), then today is the "Gog & Magog Tribulation II", not the "abyss-Beast Tribulation I".



Psychohistory (fictional) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Widdekind

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the byzantine empire was in no way ruled by christ...this is just a romantic picture of byzantium that certain churches have tried to promote...in fact the byzantine empire and its church were overflowing with corruption and intrigue...it was basically all downhill after constantine...
nobody said the Byzantine empire was perfect -- ultimately, it was conquered, and Satan was un-bound

The Orthodox Study Bible emphasizes that the Millennium was not the perfected Eternal Kingdom of God in heaven. Only God in heaven is "quantum-mechanically perfect" (as it were), nothing down on earth is or was.


the chronology of the hebrew masoretic text is correct and the septuagint's chronology is wrong...most likely the septuagint translators deliberately added centuries to their chronology in order to make it line up better with pagan myths and histories...
The other way around ?

The Jewish Masoretic texts agree with the Greek LXX back to the time of Abraham. But, before Abraham, the Masoretic texts "telescope" the ages of the pre-Abrahamic Patriarchs, "squishing" their lifespans. Ultimately, the Masoretic texts eliminate ~1500 years of human life-spans.
The Jews made modifications, to the texts, in order to "disprove" that Jesus fulfilled Messianic Prophesies. The Jews did not necessarily blatantly re-write sacred Scriptures. Instead, there may have been many variant texts in circulation -- most variants obviously resulting from scribes mis-copying ancient originals -- and the Jews cherry-picked those variants that they liked the most, and that Christians liked the least. As a result, after several centuries of such pious fraud, the Jews were able to eliminate (most of) the 2000 years of time, Prophesied to the Messianic age of Christ. Simply, the Jews removed the "Church age" from their Scriptures. Today, 2000 years later, Jews are again proclaiming their Israel as the fulfillment of "God in heaven's" plans for the Messianic Davidic Domination of earth.
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Jews could be correct. What human knows the Will of "God in heaven" ? Perhaps "God in heaven" decided to "re-set the Messianic clock", and gave humans an extra (1500 to) 2000 years of time to "think things over" and "re-decide" who the Messianic Chosen are. If the Jews are correct, then humans have thousands of years more, before "God in heaven" Arrives at earth, at Doomsday.

But, given that the whole of human history has vindicated the Prophetic predictions, in Revelation, through verse 20:9a, then what Jew could credibly claim, that their personally preferred texts, represent what "God in heaven" actually transmitted to humans on earth ? Revelation seems to speak for itself -- somehow, "God in heaven" has exerted Dominance, over humans on earth, steering our species' development, for over 2000 years, rail-roading humans through Revelation 1-20:9a.

If the Christian text of Revelation is correct, then there will never be any Jewish Millennium, in Zionist Israel, because "fire from heaven" will make "earth pass away" (Rev 20:9b) before-hand.

If nobody believes, saying they refuse to believe "for free"; then why would everybody actively dis-believe, when their own forebears have been slavishly thralled, through Rev 1-20:9a, for over 2000 years ? Apparently, people pursue their personal preferences, as have the Jews, for 2000 years -- who, in the days of Jesus, read Daniel 9, somehow failing to acknowledge, that a foreign invader was Prophesied to topple their temple, a Prophesy fulfilled by Roman legions, under generals Vespasian & Titus, in 70 AD ("in the middle of a seven" year war (66-73 AD)).

Because of global inter-national opposition to the Church, therefore Revelation has been fulfilled through verse 20:9a. The next words, in Greek, read (roughly):

kai pyr katabaino...
and fire came-down...

Whatever "blast from the black-sky" is Prophesied to come, could come in as few as a few Greek characters, "Scripturally speaking".

i do not know. But the Apocalypse of St. John does not seem funny, or trivial. Why does it even seem to describe human history, for 2000 years ? The time to dismiss such claims, is after they are actively dis-proved. In medieval cities, the time to dismiss a cry of "fire" in the night, was after waking up, running out to the street, and actively dis-proving, that anything was ablaze. Then you beat the stuffings out of the chump who "cried wolf", then you tar-and-feather them, then you run them out of town, so that they never disturb your sleep again. But who, without knowing, advises Sloth-fully staying asleep ?

People are not clearly & cogently comprehending, that The Apocalypse would, if the cry of "fire (from heaven)" be true, burn down their whole world, much less cities, much less mansions & houses & apartments. Jews and others provide people 1001 reasons to dis-believe, i.e. to believe what they themselves personally prefer, i.e. what they wish were true. But, none of those reasons are readily readable, in Revelation. Straightforwardly, Scripture has somehow Prophetically predicted the over-all course of human history, for over 2000 years... until humans stand within several Greek characters of "Game Over".

were earth my metaphorical medieval city, then i would want to beat up Saint John, if he cried "fire from heaven", for bogus reasons. Instead, humanity is following after bogus reasons, to metaphorically "go back to bed" and ignore Revelation, which book i myself would never have expected to be so surprisingly accurate. True until proven false? Innocent until proven guilty? Revelation has been true, for 349-and-a-half verses, and the next half-verse begins with "and fire comes down..."

Where is the metaphorical medieval city bucket brigade ? Nobody's seen some sword-and-sandal films? Nobody knows, that the "bad guy" always attacks, from the night, when everybody in the camp is drunk into stupor ? i know not how to (hypothetically) metaphorically put out a "fire from heaven", but "nah, bah humbug" would do nothing.