Modern Day Stoning

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Willie-T

Willie-T

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maxwel said:

Publicly debating doctrine is not "shooting the wounded".

Debating doctrine is... debating doctrine.


"Shooting the wounded" would refer to being cruel to someone who has committed sin, or fallen in the faith, and who is repentant, and now needs support and forgiveness... and INSTEAD of forgiving and helping them, we turn on them.

This has nothing to do with debating doctrine.


Whenever someone wants to publicly proclaim HORRIBLE DOCTRINES,
and someone else stands up and corrects their doctrine,
they immediately want to "play the victim",
and accuse you of HARMING them.

This is nonsense.

If you're going to preach a doctrine, then be able to back it up.
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Wow! Alright! I wasn't even thinking of that attack, but I see God has been working on you some. Please heed Him.
 
maxwel

maxwel

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Willie-T said:
Wow! Alright! I wasn't even thinking of that attack, but I see God has been working on you some. Please heed Him.
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Willie,

I fully intend to heed what God is telling me.

He told me to to be nice to you even though you're always wrong.

Ok, ok,
God never said that...
but ya know, it sounded really funny.
:)
 
Willie-T

Willie-T

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maxwel said:
Willie,

I fully intend to heed what God is telling me.

He told me to to be nice to you even though you're always wrong.

Ok, ok,
God never said that...
but ya know, it sounded really funny.
:)
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Well, I'm probably wrong more than I'm right.
 
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Viligant_Warrior

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Willie-T said:
I have a very old article (back in the '60's) from Charisma Magazine, entitled, Why do Christians Shoot Their Wounded? . It's too long to post here (and is now unavailable in the original text), but if anyone would like to read it, I can send it to you. It was most interesting.
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I found one in Charisma Magazine online, but it's from March, 1998. Could that be it?
 
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kennethcadwell

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just-me said:
Luke 17:3-4
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.

[SUP]4 [/SUP]And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.

This is a precedence set in order to be saved and forgiven through the sacrifice of Christ Jesus. We must follow in His footsteps for it is the same with us toward others.

"But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance." (Matthew 9:13)

Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee. Acts 8:22
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Yes the words of the Lord are wonderful, and look how it shows in verse 4 repentance is not just a one time event that some have made it out to be.

We are told to love all people not just our fellow Christians, as we are even told to love our enemies, pray for and do good toward them. Yes we have doctrine differences but the bible says we are to handle those among each other in a respectful loving manner. We are not to use harsh language and condemn them in our responses.
We are to rebuke them with the word, exhort them with the word, and then edify them with the word. Some like to rebuke, or misuse the rebuking part, and then leave off the exhorting and edifying part. The bible says our faith hangs on love, for the one who has/does not love does not have Christ.....
 
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Jeff_56

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Willie-T said:
Well, I'm probably wrong more than I'm right.
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that's true, but , if you would, I can show you how to always speak truth. it is very painful though,

and will cost you more than you will probably be willing to go along with .

a couple examples for free >>>>


  1. Ephesians 4:25 Therefore each of you must put off falsehood and ...

    biblehub.com/ephesians/4-25.htm‎

    Since you put away lying, Speak the truth, each one to his neighbor, .... is the
    head; and therefore should not attempt to deceive one another by lying, ... Psalm
    52:3 You love evil more than good; and lying rather than to speak righteousness.
  2. Colossians 3:9 Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off ...

    biblehub.com/colossians/3-9.htm‎

    Do not lie to one another, seeing that you have put off the old self with its ....
    however, still to be more fully carried out in practice (Colossians 2:11-13, 20; ...
  3. Leviticus 19:11 "'Do not steal. "'Do not lie. "'Do not deceive one ...

    biblehub.com/leviticus/19-11.htm‎

    'You shall not steal, nor deal falsely, nor lie to one another. .... in the singular
    number, the other in the plural, as here, and takes in more; not the actual thief
    only, ...
 
maxwel

maxwel

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Willie-T said:
Well, I'm probably wrong more than I'm right.
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You know that I really WANT to agree with you here,
but I'm not allowed to agree with you on anything.
:)

So, if I'm not allowed to agree with you, then I guess I'll have to say that you're wrong about being wrong, and I'm quite right to allege the wrongness of alleging your wrongness.

This is starting to hurt my head.
 
tourist

tourist

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maxwel said:
You know that I really WANT to agree with you here,
but I'm not allowed to agree with you on anything.
:)

So, if I'm not allowed to agree with you, then I guess I'll have to say that you're wrong about being wrong, and I'm quite right to allege the wrongness of alleging your wrongness.

This is starting to hurt my head.
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Take a couple Advil. That's what I'm going to do.
 
maxwel

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[video=youtube;kQFKtI6gn9Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y[/video]
 
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DesiredHaven

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Isnt the word voice in this verse a stone as well?

Acts 26:10 Which thing I also did in Jerusalem: and many of the saints did I shut up in prison, having received authority from the chief priests; and when they were put to death, I gave my voice [SUP]G5586 [/SUP]against them.

 Stone voice.png

I see it in the definition posted three times (once in Acts 26:10) and the other two times in one other verse in Revelation 2:17

Rev 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone,[SUP]G5586 [/SUP]and in the stone [SUP]G5586[/SUP]a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

Of the word stone or voice in either could make sense in the definition this way


  1. in the ancient courts of justice the accused were condemned by black pebbles and the acquitted by white

Which would make sense if Pauls voice against (which is as a stone against) and could be understand as a black stone (figuritively speaking) unto condemnation. Whereas the other (Christ gives) which stone (and white making that distinction clearer) would mean "a voice" equally, so the white stone could be understood as being aquitted.

Stone or voice they are equal no?

Jesus stating the color of the stone would stand out as the difference between as I am understanding it.



 
just-me

just-me

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kennethcadwell said:
Yes the words of the Lord are wonderful, and look how it shows in verse 4 repentance is not just a one time event that some have made it out to be.

We are told to love all people not just our fellow Christians, as we are even told to love our enemies, pray for and do good toward them. Yes we have doctrine differences but the bible says we are to handle those among each other in a respectful loving manner. We are not to use harsh language and condemn them in our responses.
We are to rebuke them with the word, exhort them with the word, and then edify them with the word. Some like to rebuke, or misuse the rebuking part, and then leave off the exhorting and edifying part. The bible says our faith hangs on love, for the one who has/does not love does not have Christ.....
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Well said!!

Luke 17:3-4
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.

And these verses compare perfectly with loving you neighbor as yourself.

Leviticus 19:17-18
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.

[SUP]18 [/SUP]Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord.
 
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