Mouldy Mary ?

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The Catholic Church also teaches that one cannot know if they have done enough "good works" to merit Salvation until after they die.

What i find totally wrong is the confession of our sins to a Catholic Priest for the forgiven of our sins. AND the penance for our sins by praying the "Hail Mary" hundreds of times to Mary!

1 John 1:9
[SUP]9 [/SUP]If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Who is the He in this verse? The He is Jesus Christ. If we confess our sins sins to Jesus, He will forgives us for our sins. So why would any Catholic need the Catholic Priest or Mary for their sins?

This is why Catholics today are not follow Jesus. Instead they are following Mary and their Church, not God.
 
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I know it had absolutely nothing to do with the conversation but every time I see this thread title, it reminds me of the following song. Great tin whistle solo! [video]https://youtu.be/aO5GWJJP3FM[/video]
 
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They may not call her a god, but one could argue that praying in her name and adoring her as some catholics do could count as worship. The same is sometimes said about Muhammad. Muslims say he is just a prophet, but his name means "the praised one", they sometimes call him "the glorious one", they pray in his name, his word is the final word on all matters, he is considered the standard for right living, and his name is even sometimes written besides allah's in mosques.

But of course, hes just a prophet and is not worshiped : p
Not worshipped I agree. But, like many words they change the meaning by adding their own kind of Catholic understanding to reflect their own source of faith, themselves . They call worship , venerate, which is a form of worship, therefore hiding the fact that do exult the flesh of the fathers with a living hope the pew Catholic (non -venerable ones) will not search the scriptures and find the truth .
They do that with many words like the word “saint” or “apostles”. Therefore violating the law below which has no effect on them seeing they make the whole authority of scripture without effect by serving another law the law of the their fathers..and therefore seek their legion of fathers approval and not that of God a taboo to them .

Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
 
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I know it had absolutely nothing to do with the conversation but every time I see this thread title, it reminds me of the following song. Great tin whistle solo! [video]https://youtu.be/aO5GWJJP3FM[/video]
Reminds me of that too! LOL
 

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I know it had absolutely nothing to do with the conversation but every time I see this thread title, it reminds me of the following song. Great tin whistle solo! [video]https://youtu.be/aO5GWJJP3FM[/video]
Reminds me of that too! LOL
Haha never heard it before. It is all so happy :eek:

This came up next in the playlist. Never heard it before, either :p

[video=youtube;zQQ5sEOhbjQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQQ5sEOhbjQ[/video]
 

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Heh, and then this. Medicinal compounds and all so happy!

[video=youtube;2x8D4T--0v4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2x8D4T--0v4[/video]
 
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The Catholic Church is very precise on this point, in CCC 2010: Since the initiative belongs to God in the order of grace, no one can merit the initial grace of forgiveness and justification, at the beginning of conversion. Moved by the Holy Spirit and by charity, we can then merit for ourselves and for others the graces needed for our sanctification, for the increase of grace and charity, and for the attainment of eternal life.
To merit for yourself eternal life IS salvation by works.
 
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Philippians 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
Work out, not work for.
 
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Heh, and then this. Medicinal compounds and all so happy!

[video=youtube;2x8D4T--0v4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2x8D4T--0v4[/video]
I remember both of those. Lol
 
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To merit for yourself eternal life IS salvation by works.
Yes indeed, but I was countering the following claim: "While the Catholic Church will obviously not state this, it just seems like their teachings are basically Jesus + good works (whatever the Catholic Church determines those to be) = salvation."

My counter-claim is that that Catholic Church does obviously state this.
 

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The Catholic Church is very good at hiding what they really believe in. The Catholics do Worship and Serve Mary as their God.

One believe i find appalling is their teaching that if a Catholic dies while wearing a certain brown shirt, that 3 days after they die Mary will release them from Hell and take them up to Heaven.

Its so sad when Catholics buy into lies instead of accepting the Truth from Jesus.
 
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Yes indeed, but I was countering the following claim: "While the Catholic Church will obviously not state this, it just seems like their teachings are basically Jesus + good works (whatever the Catholic Church determines those to be) = salvation."

My counter-claim is that that Catholic Church does obviously state this.
Okay, gotcha. :eek:
 
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The Catholic Church is very good at hiding what they really believe in. The Catholics do Worship and Serve Mary as their God.
While I no longer practice the Catholic faith, I can state in all truth that the center of Catholic devotion is Jesus Christ, not Mary, and no Catholic worships a created thing, although they do bow down to them, contrary to the Code of Moshe.
 
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While I no longer practice the Catholic faith, I can state in all truth that the center of Catholic devotion is Jesus Christ, not Mary, and no Catholic worships a created thing, although they do bow down to them, contrary to the Code of Moshe.
But they do worship created things called saints as men authorized by another man called a Pope (the officiator) in respect to what scripture refers to as as "disembodied workers with a familiar spirits" Called by some "patron saints" (no difference)

Using a image idol or a relic called a teraphim, a medallion used to put a face on the many(legion)of spirits that do come when one inquiring of one. It is why when Christ asked the name of one of those kinds of spirits, he responded; "My name is legion for we are many". The true saints that leave here are asleep, all of them .

True saints are not identified by a man who puts his seal on them making them a official saints as if a man could be in the place of a Holy Spirit.. God who alone knows the hearts of all men sets those (Christians) aside as Holy for His purposes..

Catholicism boasts of 3,500 and rising.

A good example of seeking (necromancy) after those who are no longer here, called patron saint by some todayis shown below

Genesis 31:19 And Laban went to shear his sheep: and Rachel had stolen the
images (plural) that were her father's.

Strong's lexicon
08655 t@raphiym {ter-aw-feme'}
pl. from 07495; TWOT - 2545; n m
AV - image 7, teraphim 6, idol 1, idolatry 1; 151) idolatry, idols, image(s), teraphim, family idol 1a) a kind of idol used in household shrine or worship
But in regard to Catholicism and the scriptures , as in all things written in the law and the prophets.It is simply of no authority to them, making it to no effect seeing the pew non-venerable Catholic must measure their faith by the fathers the venerable ones and not sola scriptura, as it is written........ God's words loosened from heaven..

I believe we can see and example of "sola scriptura" performing its work of faith in the heart of Josiah, moving Josiah to both will and do the good pleasure of God as an imputed righteousness.As Philippians informs us, we it out as it works in us , not work for it which the Catholic must according to the "law of the fathers" as oral traditions of men, commandments of men.

2Ki 23:24 Moreover the "workers with familiar spirits", and the wizards, and the images, and the idols, and all the "abominations" that were spied in the land of Judah and in Jerusalem, did Josiah put away, that he "might perform the words of the law which were written in the book" that Hilkiah the priest found in the house of the LORD.

So worship a form of venerating.It is reserved for one entity that has no form , and therefore one manner. Our Father in heaven who has no form, The Catholic fathers would have those believe to venerate is not to worship.Changing the origin meaning of many words in that way or adding new meaning..

Matthew 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

Strong's lexicon 37
hagiazo {hag-ee-ad'-zo}
from 40; TDNT - 1:111,14; v AV - sanctify 26, hallow 2, be holy 1; 29
1) to render or acknowledge, or to be venerable or hallow 2) to separate from profane things and dedicate to God 2a) consecrate things to God 2b) dedicate people to God 3) to purify 3a) to cleanse externally 3b) to purify by expiation: free from the guilt of sin 3c) to purify internally by renewing of the soul
 
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While I no longer practice the Catholic faith, I can state in all truth that the center of Catholic devotion is Jesus Christ, not Mary, and no Catholic worships a created thing, although they do bow down to them, contrary to the Code of Moshe.
Did you go to church in May? The whole month of May is devoted to Mary.

The month of May (Overview - Calendar) is the "month which the piety of the faithful has especially dedicated to Our Blessed Lady," and it is the occasion for a "moving tribute of faith and love which Catholics in every part of the world [pay] to the Queen of Heaven. During this month Christians, both in church and in the privacy of the home, offer up to Mary from their hearts an especially fervent and loving homage of prayer and veneration. In this month, too, the benefits of God's mercy come down to us from her throne in greater abundance" (Paul VI: Encyclical on theMonth of May, no. 1).

This Christian (<~ meaning heretical Christian :p) custom of dedicating the month of May to the Blessed Virgin arose at the end of the 13th century. In this way, the Church was able to Christianize the secular feasts which were wont to take place at that time. In the 16th century, books appeared and fostered this devotion.

The practice became especially popular among the members of the Jesuit Order — by 1700 it took hold among their students at the Roman College and a bit later it was publicly practiced in the Gesu Church in Rome. From there it spread to the whole Church.

Blah blah blah. From:
https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/liturgicalyear/overviews/months/05_1.cfm
 
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The Catholic fathers would have those believe to venerate is not to worship. Changing the origin meaning of many words in that way or adding new meaning..
For two thousand years the Catholics have used Latin, which has not changed, even as English came into being and changed to the point where modern speakers would find even Middle English unintelligible. The Latin word for the form of worship reserved for the Trinity alone is (and always has been) latria.The Latin word for the veneration of humans or angels is (and always has been) dulia, from which we derive our words "due" and "duly". That said, I find myself in a puzzling position defending the practices of a community where I no longer participate.
 
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Lets reason Talishi.

A Catholic on their knees, in front of a Statue of Mary, Praying the "Hail Mary" over and over and over again for hours on end.

And yet you claim the Catholics do not Worship Mary? You have been deceived by that Catholic Church.

That which you PRAY to is your God. Its does not matter if you use a different Word to deceive others into believing you do not Worship Mary. The very fact that if your praying a Prayer to Mary, you are making Mary your God.

The Catholics in the past decided that they needed to deceive the Protestants from seeing that they really do Worship Mary as their God. This is why they created two different Words.

Again Talishi, that which you Pray to IS your God and Mary is the God of the Catholics. For this sin God cannot allow the Catholics into Heaven.

Exodus 20:1-4
[SUP]2 [/SUP]“I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.

[SUP]3 [/SUP]“You shall have no other gods before Me.

[SUP]4 [/SUP]“You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. [SUP]5 [/SUP]You shall not worship them or serve them;
 
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The Catholics in the past decided that they needed to deceive the Protestants from seeing that they really do Worship Mary as their God. This is why they created two different Words.
St. Augustine (De Civ. Dei, X, ii, 1) distinguishes two kinds of servitus: "...one which is due to men... which in Greek is called dulia; the other, latria, which is the service pertaining to the worship of God".


As you know, St. Augustine preceded the controversies of the Reformation period by some 1,200 years.
 

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much too much presuming and just saying going on - give over and come home now - wincam
You included Jesus in with those whose flesh are in the grave and have decayed?

Why?

The WORD of TRUTH clearly stated, HE would not let HIS HOLY ONE see decay

JESUS is not in the grave.

Correct?
 

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I came into this thread because I don't like the title...it is disrespectful to the one whom the LORD found worthy to be the mother of THE LORD...

Just as it is written that Mary Magdelene would be honored...
Don't you believe that Mary the mother of Jesus should also be honored.

Not that we should pray to either Mary Magdelene, or Mary Jesus' mother, but we shouldn't, dishonor her either...

...but mouldy Mary?

Really?

Why?