Music in Church?

[oldhermit]

Alright, I'm not angry with anyone. Thank you to all who answered presenting both sides of the belief. .. But before this turns really bad I think its okay to not post anymore. I'll study, pray and learn as I go. I was just curious.

Dear lady, I hope you do not feel responsible for the disagreements exhibited on this thread. This debate has been waged many times on here in the past and will be again. It is not your fault. May God bless you in your search for truth.

 

[Jabberjaw]

ok so I tried to read all three pages but I decided to simply put my two cents in. I go to a church that is restricted to piano and choir. They music and songs do not speak to my heart because my heart tends to react to powerful passionate praises to God which I usually found a lot of church with guitars and and almost rock kind of music to do.

different music and different types of praises fit different ppl. for some my church would be perfect because it has a sort of serene feeling to it calm and beautiful but others may need a jumpy powerful and passionate type to really get them to praise God. I have yet to find one scripture that restricts the type of music and instruments to church or praising God and many here belief if it isn't in scripture than how can it be true? So really it is all a matter of ppl's opinions

If it were "your church" you could have people worship how you want them to, but it is the Lords church, and from the day it began (on Pentecost) forward, you cannot show where the NT church ever used mechanical musical instruments in the worship of God.

 

[JesusMyOnly]

Dear lady, I hope you do not feel responsible for the disagreements exhibited on this thread. This debate has been waged many times on here in the past and will be again. It is not your fault. May God bless you in your search for truth.

Thanks. Just don't want people to start fighting with each other.

 

[MsLimpet]

CoC is big on water baptism as essential to salvation. It was a reference to their bad doctrine and no instruments in their churches.

Humor that must be explained.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Really? Just CoC is "big" on water baptism? What does your bible say about baptism?

 

[JesusMyOnly]

Really? Just CoC is "big" on water baptism? What does your bible say about baptism?

O.O Thats a scary question.

 

[oldhermit]

Thanks. Just don't want people to start fighting with each other.

LOL. Argumentation and disagreement is not fighting. I don't think anyone on here is angry with anyone else. At least not for my part. Still, these things must be debated from time to time.

 

[JesusMyOnly]

Discussions are good, just keep it nice. Jesus is always watching. XD

 

[Jabberjaw]

CoC is big on water baptism as essential to salvation. It was a reference to their bad doctrine and no instruments in their churches.

Humor that must be explained.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Actually the bible is big on water baptism, and the CoC worship in accordance with the bible, and that includes mechanical musical instruments (or the lack of biblical authority on mechanical musical instruments and why it is not and should not be used).

 

[tourist]

If it were "your church" you could have people worship how you want them to, but it is the Lords church, and from the day it began (on Pentecost) forward, you cannot show where the NT church ever used mechanical musical instruments in the worship of God.

Why is the use of mechanical musical instruments during the worship of the God unacceptable? Does it say specifically in the bible that the use to these types of instruments are forbidden? Do you believe the use of mechanical instruments in general is an evil practice or just when they are used during a worship service?

 

[JesusistheChrist]

Good idea JesusMyOnly.

lol.

We've got you talking to yourself, eh?

One last comment and then I'm done...

Ironically, I'm one of the most cautious people on the face of the earth when it comes to music. In fact, I used to have the Bible on CD where the narration had background music and I found the same to be extremely distracting and I ditched it for another narration with no background music. Furthermore, I'm greatly opposed to much of the manipulation that is attempted and often is successfully "orchestrated" (I couldn't resist...sue me) via music in churches these days. That being said, however, for anybody to even suggest that there also isn't music which is Holy Spirit inspired and which brings glory to God is just ridiculous.

Well, I'm done...and I trust that said declaration is "music" to some people's ears...

 

[notuptome]

The pulpit must always be hotter than the music. If the music is bigger than the preaching then there is an imbalance in the church. The church is all about Christ and Him crucified.

Music is not an issue of salvation but an issue of testimony for the Lord. There is some degree of latitude here but as in all that the Christian engages in there must be virtue, purity and holiness.

The early Christian church had a lot of Jewish influence in it. The traditions of Judaism was part of the apostles experience.
Music would have been part of the early church services because it was carried over from the Jewish worship services. If you don't want music that's fine as it will not effect your salvation either for or against.

As well as lieth within you live peaceably with all men.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Blain]

If it were "your church" you could have people worship how you want them to, but it is the Lords church, and from the day it began (on Pentecost) forward, you cannot show where the NT church ever used mechanical musical instruments in the worship of God.

buddy I am pretty sure you knew what I meant when I said my church as in the church I go to. and while I cannot show scripture showing the nt church ever using mechanical instruments can you you provide scripture banning them?

 

[MsLimpet]

The pulpit must always be hotter than the music. If the music is bigger than the preaching then there is an imbalance in the church. The church is all about Christ and Him crucified.

Music is not an issue of salvation but an issue of testimony for the Lord. There is some degree of latitude here but as in all that the Christian engages in there must be virtue, purity and holiness.

The early Christian church had a lot of Jewish influence in it. The traditions of Judaism was part of the apostles experience.
Music would have been part of the early church services because it was carried over from the Jewish worship services. If you don't want music that's fine as it will not effect your salvation either for or against.

As well as lieth within you live peaceably with all men.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

We forget who the audience is. It is not us.

 

[Jabberjaw]

Why is the use of mechanical musical instruments during the worship of the God unacceptable? Does it say specifically in the bible that the use to these types of instruments are forbidden? Do you believe the use of mechanical instruments in general is an evil practice or just when they are used during a worship service?

I own 3 guitars, I think instrumental music is great, just not for worship, Paul told us what instrument is to be played in worship, it is the heart :

Ephesians 5:19 (KJV) Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

We are to sing, we are to make Him happy, not ourselves.

 

[SeaBass]

i'm not avoiding it at all. i told you directly; i am a living sacrifice (REAL), and Christ is our lamb (REAL). i think in fact you're avoiding the obvious use of musical instruments in the scripture, because you are talking about animal sacrifices instead of you know, the topic of this thread ..?

we can easily show you why blood sacrifices are no longer part of our worship: Christ has once and for all made atonement.
did Christ likewise once and for all make a joyful noise on an instrument of ten strings? that is not so easy to show.

If you go back to the OT law to justify the use of IM, then you have an obligation to keep ALL the law as Paul said in Gal 5:3 you are a debtor to ALL the law including those animal sacrifices in Psa 66:13-15. No one can go back to the OT and just cherry-pick out IM and AVOID keeping all the rest of it. This is one reason, out of many, that going back to that OT law to try and justify the use of IM fails.

 

[pwrnJC]

There are NO scriptures that tell us to not use musical instruments in a worship service. There were rooms in the temple in Jerusalem that housed and protected instruments of that day. I have been a music/worship director for years and have experienced all kinds of man-made rules about just what constitutes a good worship service and what instruments are to be used or not. In one situation, a prominent business man had my gospel group to sing and perform for his funeral, as part of his will. When we got to the church early to set up, the priest was horrified but, at the same time, wanted to honor the wishes of the deceased and his family. My gospel group, and all instruments, were hidden behind a huge black curtain as to fool the people into thinking it was pre-recorded music being piped in. Imagine that!
I think the 'modern' problem with having electrical instruments and drums in a santuary carries the stigma of a rock concert where the loud, driving force of the music overpowers the vocals. This is a great fear of a lot of older members who are very complacent with the sound of a mid to lower range piano as a backdrop for the sluggish hymns that are so prominently a part of the traditional service.
I faced this situation way back in the 1960's and 1970's when I was a Youth Team President of a travelling Choir who provided live music as part of our programs. It was not just the music that most members hated, it was the style clothing, the length of the hair on the boys and the absence of suits that offenced many. I still face similar situations, in those frozen/chosen churches. If you want a more lively form of worship where modern instruments are used, you will find them more acceptable in a Happy/Clappy congregation, 'Nuff Said!.

 

[Jabberjaw]

buddy I am pretty sure you knew what I meant when I said my church as in the church I go to. and while I cannot show scripture showing the nt church ever using mechanical instruments can you you provide scripture banning them?

Do I need to show you the scripture that says you cannot do crack cocaine?

 

[SolidGround]

I own 3 guitars, I think instrumental music is great, just not for worship, Paul told us what instrument is to be played in worship, it is the heart :

Ephesians 5:19 (KJV) Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

We are to sing, we are to make Him happy, not ourselves.

I am supposing you are separating corporate worship from the worship we live, for the glory of God in all we do.
Your best argument would be on "order" in the Church, not on "authority". Such things are certainly within our freedom and authority in Christ. The question should be about whether or not it is beneficial in a corporate worship setting, or if it is a distraction.

 

[Jabberjaw]

There are NO scriptures that tell us to not use musical instruments in a worship service. There were rooms in the temple in Jerusalem that housed and protected instruments of that day. I have been a music/worship director for years and have experienced all kinds of man-made rules about just what constitutes a good worship service and what instruments are to be used or not. In one situation, a prominent business man had my gospel group to sing and perform for his funeral, as part of his will. When we got to the church early to set up, the priest was horrified but, at the same time, wanted to honor the wishes of the deceased and his family. My gospel group, and all instruments, were hidden behind a huge black curtain as to fool the people into thinking it was pre-recorded music being piped in. Imagine that!
I think the 'modern' problem with having electrical instruments and drums in a santuary carries the stigma of a rock concert where the loud, driving force of the music overpowers the vocals. This is a great fear of a lot of older members who are very complacent with the sound of a mid to lower range piano as a backdrop for the sluggish hymns that are so prominently a part of the traditional service.
I faced this situation way back in the 1960's and 1970's when I was a Youth Team President of a travelling Choir who provided live music as part of our programs. It was not just the music that most members hated, it was the style clothing, the length of the hair on the boys and the absence of suits that offenced many. I still face similar situations, in those frozen/chosen churches. If you want a more lively form of worship where modern instruments are used, you will find them more acceptable in a Happy/Clappy congregation, 'Nuff Said!.

In all those years, have you been able to show one verse that shows the NT church to ever use music like you play in their worship of God?

 

[oldhermit]

I am supposing you are separating corporate worship from the worship we live, for the glory of God in all we do.
Your best argument would be on "order" in the Church, not on "authority". Such things are certainly within our freedom and authority in Christ, the question is about whether or not it is beneficial in a corporate worship setting, or if it is a distraction.

No. I think authority is the right word.